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Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« on: October 03, 2017, 04:09:58 pm »
Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
by Susan Ferrechio | Oct 3, 2017, 11:31 AM

House Republican leaders Tuesday distanced themselves from legislation that would lift taxes and regulations on gun suppressors and expand access to hunting and sports shooting, two days after the largest mass shooting in U.S. history happened in Las Vegas.

The measure cleared a House committee last month and was on deck for possible consideration, but Republicans have not scheduled a vote on the so-called silencer legislation. The future of the legislation is now uncertain.

"That bill is not scheduled now," House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., said Tuesday after meeting with GOP lawmakers in a closed-door meeting. "I don't know when it's going to be scheduled."

Ryan said the GOP is focused on tax reform.

"That is our present focus," he said.

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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2017, 04:13:51 pm »
Hate to say it but this would give the Dems a big platform to push their anti-gun agenda. Probably a better chance of eventually getting it if they wait.
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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2017, 04:36:43 pm »
Why would someone need a silencer?

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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2017, 04:37:36 pm »
Why would someone need a silencer?

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Is that a serious question?
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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2017, 04:51:03 pm »
For those that don't know what a "silencer" is or does, I'll give it my best shot to answer from a laymans view.

First of all a "silencer" only exists in movies.  You know where they shoot the gun and all you hear is a quiet tttwpt sound.   Those don't really exist.

What does exist is called a suppressor, which is an attachment screwed onto the end of a firearms barrel.    They consist of multiple small chambers which are designed to capture the energy and hot gases created when a firearm is discharged.   There are two main sources of sound, the gunpowder exploding and the bullet breaking the speed of sound.  The suppressor only effects the sound which goes out the front of the barrel.

Suppressors will reduce the sound from about 140dB to roughly 105dB.    Depending on the caliber, ammo, and suppressor being used.   There is still significant sound so its still loud.  But it is less likely to cause hearing damage.  Something especially important for hunters who need to be able to hear but need protection when they shoot.
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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2017, 04:52:11 pm »
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Is that a serious question?

Yes it is @driftdiver   I really don't know what a silencer is used for.

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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2017, 04:59:20 pm »
Yes it is @driftdiver   I really don't know what a silencer is used for.

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See my basic explanation above.   This video shows the difference, first he shoots an M16 without a suppressor.  About 6:20 in he adds the suppressor so you can hear the difference.


https://youtu.be/NM8xvE5B4yk
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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2017, 05:01:58 pm »
Yes it is @driftdiver   I really don't know what a silencer is used for.

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Here is another one that shows how it works inside -
https://youtu.be/7pOXunRYJIw
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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2017, 05:05:46 pm »
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See my basic explanation above.   This video shows the difference, first he shoots an M16 without a suppressor.  About 6:20 in he adds the suppressor so you can hear the difference.


https://youtu.be/NM8xvE5B4yk

I'm still confused @driftdiver ... what is the practical reason for using a silencer?

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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2017, 05:09:06 pm »
I'm still confused @driftdiver ... what is the practical reason for using a silencer?

To prevent permanent damage to human eardrums.

A silencer takes the sound down from the equivelant of a jet engine to what a jackhammer makes.

Actually I'm not sure what the equivelant is but its something like that.


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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2017, 05:10:52 pm »
I'm still confused @driftdiver ... what is the practical reason for using a silencer?

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Hearing protection for the shooter and those around him. 

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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2017, 05:12:29 pm »
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Hearing protection for the shooter and those around him.

Thanks.

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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2017, 05:17:27 pm »
It also make shooting more friendly to people around the ranges.  There are fewer and fewer places where one can actually go shoot.  As civilization encroaches on rural ranges, the new people are suddenly suprised that a gun range that's been there for decades is loud and demand it be closed.  They often are. Like mufflers on cars, supressors would keep things quieter and allow the shooting to continue, shooters can continue to train and exercise their freedom and people can live together in harmony without having to pay yet another tax and wait 6-12 months for approval from .gov.  A win-win from my perspective.

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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2017, 05:29:53 pm »
It also make shooting more friendly to people around the ranges.  There are fewer and fewer places where one can actually go shoot.  As civilization encroaches on rural ranges, the new people are suddenly suprised that a gun range that's been there for decades is loud and demand it be closed.  They often are. Like mufflers on cars, supressors would keep things quieter and allow the shooting to continue, shooters can continue to train and exercise their freedom and people can live together in harmony without having to pay yet another tax and wait 6-12 months for approval from .gov.  A win-win from my perspective.

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I live on the east side of Tampa.   I basically have to drive about 75 minutes to get to an outdoor range.   No other public outdoor ranges that are safe.    Maybe I need to buy some land.
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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2017, 05:44:53 pm »

I wish I had a silencer, when firing my M-14 permanently damaged the hearing in both of my ears.
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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2017, 06:02:26 pm »
I wish I had a silencer, when firing my M-14 permanently damaged the hearing in both of my ears.

I lost a deer this last season because I took time to put earplugs in.
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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2017, 06:07:54 pm »
I lost a deer this last season because I took time to put earplugs in.

I now understand why the Republicans shelved the gun silencer bill @driftdiver

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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2017, 06:16:06 pm »
I now understand why the Republicans shelved the gun silencer bill @driftdiver

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It has nothing to do with whether or not these are valuable tools.   Any effort to reduce federal restrictions on anything firearm related will be pounced on by the demonrats.   This is their sacred cow, if they could push through a gun ban it would simplify all their other goals.

Its not about safety or reducing crime, its about control.
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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2017, 06:19:29 pm »
There is form and there is content. Sometimes timing is everything.

The public is fickle. After there are bad storms, much of the public starts to think that maybe there is something to AGW after all (fear response). This tends to fade over time (after things return to normal) and realize that the Climate Hustlers are trying to stampede them into giving up freedom and prosperity for socialism under the tired  Marxist pretext of "saving the world". 

Same for incidents like mass shootings by psychopaths. The public reacts emotionally to their own grief and horror, thinking that something must be done to try to prevent such things from happening (and since only 30% of voters own guns, those who don't think in terms of denying them to would-be murderers through force of government).

As with other things, once things go back to normal, the public's "do something" attitude settles down to "do something SMART" for the most part.

The left caters more to the "do something ANYTHING" crowd. The same one which follows the time-honored edict, "When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout - and try to pass Draconian, useless gun-grabber legislation through Congress".
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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2017, 06:22:23 pm »
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It has nothing to do with whether or not these are valuable tools.   Any effort to reduce federal restrictions on anything firearm related will be pounced on by the demonrats.   ....

Why help them @driftdiver ?  The goal may be honorable but is this really the best time to be standing up and demanding comfort for gun owners?

Why not stay away from this Pandora's box ... at least for a few months?

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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2017, 06:30:50 pm »
Why help them @driftdiver ?  The goal may be honorable but is this really the best time to be standing up and demanding comfort for gun owners?

Why not stay away from this Pandora's box ... at least for a few months?

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Thats what I said in my first post.   Stinks though , these onerous laws have been in place way too long.
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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2017, 06:32:28 pm »
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Thats what I said in my first post.   Stinks though , these onerous laws have been in place way too long.

Oh, I missed that first post.  Thanks for explaining.  @driftdiver

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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2017, 06:40:27 pm »
It also make shooting more friendly to people around the ranges.  There are fewer and fewer places where one can actually go shoot.  As civilization encroaches on rural ranges, the new people are suddenly suprised that a gun range that's been there for decades is loud and demand it be closed.  They often are. Like mufflers on cars, supressors would keep things quieter and allow the shooting to continue, shooters can continue to train and exercise their freedom and people can live together in harmony without having to pay yet another tax and wait 6-12 months for approval from .gov.  A win-win from my perspective.

It  would also make it much easier on your ears if you ever have to shoot an intruder inside your home.   That's the only reason I would want one.
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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2017, 06:45:23 pm »
It  would also make it much easier on your ears if you ever have to shoot an intruder inside your home.   That's the only reason I would want one.

In some ways, noise from a gun is a strategic advantage. Human beings naturally hesitate whenever they are subjected to a loud shout or noise - it is built into the nervous system. So close combat operatives are taught that when they are using non-suppressed weapons, to always get off the first series of shots when confronting an armed assailant. The loudness of the first shot even if off target, often makes the target hesitate long enough to get off a better-aimed one COM or in the head - which stops them.   
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Re: Republicans shelve gun silencer bill after Las Vegas shooting
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2017, 07:01:15 pm »
I now understand why the Republicans shelved the gun silencer bill @driftdiver

Yes, I do too.  It's because Hillary threatened to badmouth them with tweets.  She tweeted yesterday about this specific bill, and see how the cockroaches like Ryan ran.  I called it.
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