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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2017, 04:00:33 pm »
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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2017, 04:02:46 pm »
For the record.... Trump is not now, nor has he ever been, a Conservative.  And....the dismay from some of us over Trump siding with Democrats on the debt ceiling issue has NOTHING to do with Ted Cruz.  Alluding to that BS is so old, so over-used and, quite frankly....just plain asinine.  The continuation of the 'raising of the debt ceiling' is financially irresponsible and as such, is justifiably considered by us as WRONG.  It's the equivalent of the usual corruption in DC and kicking the can down the road for future generations to deal with the inevitable collapse it will lead to. 

For Trump to now willingly participate in (and encourage) that same bullshit is, for good reason, a major concern.  It should be a major concern to every American, in fact.  He's not draining the DC swamp, he is lounging around on a golden noodle with a Molotov cocktail in his little hand.   It's going to blow and when it does, only the filthy rich fat cats (like himself) will manage to survive the implosion.

I usually agree with you but this is going a little too far in my opinion.  Although, as Corbe loves to say, I could be wrong.

Most of what Trump has done or tried to do has been good.  I think he just became so frustrated with his own party, that he did something we don't like.

I think the debt ceiling raise was a temporary measure because of the need to help Texas deal with a major, major natural disaster.  I don't think it's the end of the world.

I'm not ready to declare Armageddon yet.
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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2017, 04:02:55 pm »
Pretty funny ... and maybe way too true.

Some of us are afraid to praise Trump for anything without adding a caveat.

I usually say, 'I was never a Trump supporter but ...."

I have no interest in who was right and who was wrong now. The constant sniping has gone way beyond boring.

I just want the country put back on track, thats all. Don't care much who gets credit.

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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2017, 04:07:59 pm »
LOL, keep telling yourself that. For most of his history he was aligned with them and financing them. He only played a different character when it was convenient for him to do so. Now he is back to the same old Trump.



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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2017, 04:11:11 pm »
I have no interest in who was right and who was wrong now. The constant sniping has gone way beyond boring.

I just want the country put back on track, thats all. Don't care much who gets credit.

Yeah, I'm trying to be a better person but will probably fail as soon as today.

But people who are clinging to their Trump hatred really hard are way too willing to call anyone who agrees with Trump names like 'worshippers' and even less tasteful things.

So, some of us try to make a pre-emptive strike against that by prefacing any Trump praise with a caveat.
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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2017, 04:11:42 pm »

Frankly, it's really not even debatable that Trump is a conservative now. It's obvious that Trump is fighting for our conservative values. Our Founding Fathers setup this system of government and thank goodness they did, and my side will continue to work hard to get things done.

But I guess some of the Ted Cruz fans, or perhaps fans of the other losing Republican primary candidates, still just don't want to let go. Oh well, that's their prerogative.

The fanbots would rather see the country go down in flames then have a successful Trump presidency just so they could say I told you so. 

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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2017, 04:14:52 pm »
I usually agree with you but this is going a little too far in my opinion.  Although, as Corbe loves to say, I could be wrong.

Most of what Trump has done or tried to do has been good.  I think he just became so frustrated with his own party, that he did something we don't like.

I think the debt ceiling raise was a temporary measure because of the need to help Texas deal with a major, major natural disaster.  I don't think it's the end of the world.

I'm not ready to declare Armageddon yet.

Firstly.... what Trump has tried and what Trump has accomplished are two very different things.  Wouldn't you agree?  Now... that may not be entirely his fault...but...wasn't he the one that continuously assured everyone that he would make "great deals"?  This debt ceiling BS was NOT a 'great deal'.  Quite the opposite, in fact.  He missed an opportunity to demonstrate some fiscal responsibility by refusing to go along with it, and at the same time he literally gave away/trashed/wasted any leverage he might have had by working 'with' the Democrats so willingly.

And what, exactly, has Trump actually done?  Thus far, he has nominated Gorsuch.  He has threatened DACA recipients with something six months from now.  He has managed to decrease illegal immigration merely by enforcing current immigration laws and he has pardoned Arpaio.  That's about it.  Correct me if I'm wrong.  That's on the plus side. 

On the negative side, he has kept people in a constant state of WTF and worry due to his twit syndrome problems on Twitter.   He has shown an inconsistency that rivals none.  He has taken one step forward and two steps back, every time ....IMO.  That ain't progress.  It's chaos.  And it's fitting right damned in with what the leftists want.  It's keeping the economy from recovering by keeping us in a constant state of uncertainty....when by now we should be quite obviously on the road to recovery.  That's how I see it.  No, it's not Armageddon (which relates to 'the final war', by the way....nothing remotely relating to what I've been talking about)....but it's sure as hell not "good" results that we should be experiencing at this point.




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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2017, 04:14:59 pm »
LOL, keep telling yourself that. For most of his history he was aligned with them and financing them. He only played a different character when it was convenient for him to do so. Now he is back to the same old Trump.



I might buy that IF the REPUBLICAN congress had actually done something and Trump had vetoed it!  AS it is, No Sale!
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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2017, 04:15:29 pm »
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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2017, 04:23:24 pm »
Pretty funny ... and maybe way too true.

Some of us are afraid to praise Trump for anything without adding a caveat.

I usually say, 'I was never a Trump supporter but ...."

LOL!   You're cool, @Emjay !

Another one is...."We'll praise Trump when he does something good and we'll criticize......"
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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2017, 04:34:40 pm »
Firstly.... what Trump has tried and what Trump has accomplished are two very different things.  Wouldn't you agree?  Now... that may not be entirely his fault...but...wasn't he the one that continuously assured everyone that he would make "great deals"?  This debt ceiling BS was NOT a 'great deal'.  Quite the opposite, in fact.  He missed an opportunity to demonstrate some fiscal responsibility by refusing to go along with it, and at the same time he literally gave away/trashed/wasted any leverage he might have had by working 'with' the Democrats so willingly.

And what, exactly, has Trump actually done?  Thus far, he has nominated Gorsuch.  He has threatened DACA recipients with something six months from now.  He has managed to decrease illegal immigration merely by enforcing current immigration laws and he has pardoned Arpaio.  That's about it.  Correct me if I'm wrong.  That's on the plus side. 

On the negative side, he has kept people in a constant state of WTF and worry due to his twit syndrome problems on Twitter.   He has shown an inconsistency that rivals none.  He has taken one step forward and two steps back, every time ....IMO.  That ain't progress.  It's chaos.  And it's fitting right damned in with what the leftists want.  It's keeping the economy from recovering by keeping us in a constant state of uncertainty....when by now we should be quite obviously on the road to recovery.  That's how I see it.  No, it's not Armageddon (which relates to 'the final war', by the way....nothing remotely relating to what I've been talking about)....but it's sure as hell not "good" results that we should be experiencing at this point.

He has nominated Gorsuch, a benefit for years to come... cannot be underestimated.  He's also nominated a bunch of other conservative judges.

He put a lot of good people in charge of agencies.  Betsy DeVos, for one, is a great force in education and the liberals hate her.  Rick Perry is another. 

He has a pro-business attitude that has revived the spirits of American industry and the economy is recovering but slowly.

I never expected a wall but Trump, as you point out, has helped decrease illegal immigration by other smaller measures.  As for DACA, he at least has indicated it needs to be stopped and he has enemies galore on that one... it won't be easy.

A lot of people over-emphasize the twitter thing.  It is annoying but not meaningful in the real world sense.

I think he's settling in a little bit and if we can keep him from running Kelly off, we will see less chaos and more order in the White House.

I give him a B+ so far because I think the big issues he's failed on are not really his fault as much as they are the fault of Congress.

Ted Cruz MIGHT have been able to do a little better with Congress but I doubt it.  Ted worked hard to get a workable amendment on health care and still couldn't get it passed.

Just my ten cents.



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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2017, 04:36:30 pm »
LOL!   You're cool, @Emjay !

Another one is...."We'll praise Trump when he does something good and we'll criticize......"

Wow ... I haven't been 'cool' in a long time.  Not sure I was ever cool, so thanks a lot.
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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2017, 04:44:51 pm »
He has nominated Gorsuch, a benefit for years to come... cannot be underestimated.  He's also nominated a bunch of other conservative judges.

He put a lot of good people in charge of agencies.  Betsy DeVos, for one, is a great force in education and the liberals hate her.  Rick Perry is another. 

He has a pro-business attitude that has revived the spirits of American industry and the economy is recovering but slowly.

I never expected a wall but Trump, as you point out, has helped decrease illegal immigration by other smaller measures.  As for DACA, he at least has indicated it needs to be stopped and he has enemies galore on that one... it won't be easy.

A lot of people over-emphasize the twitter thing.  It is annoying but not meaningful in the real world sense.

I think he's settling in a little bit and if we can keep him from running Kelly off, we will see less chaos and more order in the White House.

I give him a B+ so far because I think the big issues he's failed on are not really his fault as much as they are the fault of Congress.

Ted Cruz MIGHT have been able to do a little better with Congress but I doubt it.  Ted worked hard to get a workable amendment on health care and still couldn't get it passed.

Just my ten cents.

Hey....did you hear Pelosi state that Trump promised her his approval of the Dream Act?  I read that just yesterday.   Hmmm....

is it a lie, is it Pelosi unhinged as usual, or....is it the truth.  Time will tell.

Here's another article on it, this time with the "promised" part missing...lol.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pelosi-says-asked-trump-tweet-comfort-daca-recipients-144830047.html

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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2017, 04:48:43 pm »
Wow ... I haven't been 'cool' in a long time.  Not sure I was ever cool, so thanks a lot.

Don't tell me, you were one of the collegiate kids who wore pullovers, plaids, and penny loafers?
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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2017, 04:52:46 pm »
Trump will never be allied with the likes of Schumer and Pelosi.

Compromise is not a synonym for alliance.

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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2017, 04:55:35 pm »
Oh but the cognitive dissonance is strong today!

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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2017, 05:16:35 pm »
Don't tell me, you were one of the collegiate kids who wore pullovers, plaids, and penny loafers?

Not that old.  I didn't say I was square ... just maybe, okay, maybe I am cool.
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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2017, 05:18:15 pm »
Hey....did you hear Pelosi state that Trump promised her his approval of the Dream Act?  I read that just yesterday.   Hmmm....

is it a lie, is it Pelosi unhinged as usual, or....is it the truth.  Time will tell.

Here's another article on it, this time with the "promised" part missing...lol.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pelosi-says-asked-trump-tweet-comfort-daca-recipients-144830047.html

The Dream Act has brought out every liberal cry baby in the land and Trump will be hard pressed to stay firm on this. 
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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2017, 06:33:24 pm »
Did you know that Trump graduated from the New York Military Academy? It would be rare, if possibly never, any liberal who would do that. That is proof that Trump leaned conservative even in his teens.

You should know that Trump smoozed with Democrats for business reasons to get his magnificent projects built. If Trump didn't do that, especially in NYC, he would have never even received a building permit.

Frankly, it's really not even debatable that Trump is a conservative now. It's obvious that Trump is fighting for our conservative values. Our Founding Fathers setup this system of government and thank goodness they did, and my side will continue to work hard to get things done.

But I guess some of the Ted Cruz fans, or perhaps fans of the other losing Republican primary candidates, still just don't want to let go. Oh well, that's their prerogative.
Sorry. Military academies are often (up north, anyway) the next stop for incorrigible rich kids after they aren't welcome at private schools elsewhere. That wasn't West Point, and likely not his choice.
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Schmoozing with (and donating to) in a pay to play scheme with Democrats to make money. Real hardcore conservative (not). Just propagating a corrupt system.
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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2017, 06:51:54 pm »
I have no interest in who was right and who was wrong now. The constant sniping has gone way beyond boring.

I just want the country put back on track, thats all. Don't care much who gets credit.

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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #45 on: September 08, 2017, 07:02:24 pm »
I have no interest in who was right and who was wrong now. The constant sniping has gone way beyond boring.

I just want the country put back on track, thats all. Don't care much who gets credit.

^^^ This.

Unfortunately, there are few others here that have the good sense and intelligence that you have @skeeter   I wouldn't need my toes to count them. 

It is incredibly boring to read the same drivel ad nauseum by those still needing to feel vindicated for their vote nearly a year ago.  I wonder at the sanity of some around here.

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« Reply #46 on: September 08, 2017, 07:10:04 pm »
I have no interest in who was right and who was wrong now. The constant sniping has gone way beyond boring.

I just want the country put back on track, thats all. Don't care much who gets credit.

Been there for about 6 months now!  Still waiting!
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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #47 on: September 08, 2017, 07:15:01 pm »
Hey....did you hear Pelosi state that Trump promised her his approval of the Dream Act?  I read that just yesterday.   Hmmm....

is it a lie, is it Pelosi unhinged as usual, or....is it the truth.  Time will tell.

Here's another article on it, this time with the "promised" part missing...lol.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pelosi-says-asked-trump-tweet-comfort-daca-recipients-144830047.html

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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #48 on: September 08, 2017, 07:17:07 pm »
Don't tell me, you were one of the collegiate kids who wore pullovers, plaids, and penny loafers?

What's wrong with penny loafers?

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Re: Democrats ready more demands after surprise win with Trump
« Reply #49 on: September 08, 2017, 07:23:59 pm »
What's wrong with penny loafers?

Nothing really. I guess I was secretly envious of the kids whose parents could afford to buy them shoes.