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Why America is falling out of love with football
« on: September 07, 2017, 09:17:21 am »

Why America is falling out of love with football

By George F. Will

September 3, 2017 | 9:44pm | Updated
 
Autumn, which is bearing down upon us like a menacing linebacker, is, as John Keats said, a season of mists and mellow fruitfulness and chronic traumatic encephalopathy. Actually, Keats, a romantic, did not mention that last part. He died before the birth of the subject of a waning American romance, football.

This sport will never die but it will never again be, as it was until recently, the subject of uncomplicated national enthusiasm.

http://nypost.com/2017/09/03/why-america-is-falling-out-of-love-with-football/

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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2017, 01:28:29 pm »
While I watch the Packers on a semi-regular basis, I used to be a huge football fan in my younger years.  I'd watch games back to back or three in a row at times.  I quit being a big fan decades ago for a very simple reason...I was being  bored to death.   Too many low-scoring games.  Most teams seemed to favor running games.    Run, run, pass, punt seemed to be the formula.
The fact is (like most pro sports especially baseball) there is very little scoring in football.
I like action. By action I mean scoring other than kicking field goals. If they only gave one point for a touchdown like a goal in hockey or soccer and banned field goals, most games have scores like 2-1 or 3-2.
I want the rules changed to allow for more scoring.  Take three players off the teams and make it an eight man sport rather than eleven.
That would mean players would have to be less large with less line play.  Maybe the head injuries would go down as well.

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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2017, 09:09:25 pm »
Why is America (devoutly to be hoped to be) falling out of love with football?
Because, aside from the brain damage issue (never mind how easy it is to
believe you have to be a little brain damaged to want to play football in the
first place), it is discovering little by little what Mr. Will says to conclude his
essay---football is a degrading enjoyment. "[E]ven though Michigan’s $9 million
coach has called it 'the last bastion of hope in America for toughness in men.'
That thought must amuse the Marines patrolling Afghanistan’s Helmand
Province."

And, as the degrading enjoyment of football begins its annual overlap with
the edifying enjoyment of baseball and its postseason to be, it's useful to
remember the accidental wisdom George Carlin delivered in comparing the
two sports. Accidental because Carlin thought he was delivering baseball
a grand put-down but instead delivered an enduring testimonial:

Baseball is different from any other sport, very different. For instance, in most
sports you score points or goals; in baseball you score runs. In most sports the
ball, or object, is put in play by the offensive team; in baseball the defensive
team puts the ball in play, and only the defense is allowed to touch the ball.
In fact, in baseball if an offensive player touches the ball intentionally, he's
out; sometimes unintentionally, he's out.

Also: in football,basketball, soccer, volleyball, and all sports played with a ball,
you score with the ball and in baseball the ball prevents you from scoring.

In most sports the team is run by a coach; in baseball the team is run by a
manager. And only in baseball does the manager or coach wear the same
clothing the players do. If you'd ever seen John Madden in his Oakland
Raiders uniform, you'd know the reason for this custom.

Now, I've mentioned football. Baseball & football are the two most popular
spectator sports in this country. And as such, it seems they ought to be able
to tell us something about ourselves and our values.

I enjoy comparing baseball and football:

Baseball is a nineteenth-century pastoral game.
Football is a twentieth-century technological struggle.

Baseball is played on a diamond, in a park.The baseball park!
Football is played on a gridiron, in a stadium, sometimes called
Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium.

Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life.
Football begins in the fall, when everything's dying.

In football you wear a helmet.
In baseball you wear a cap.

Football is concerned with downs - what down is it?
Baseball is concerned with ups - who's up?

In football you receive a penalty.
In baseball you make an error.

In football the specialist comes in to kick.
In baseball the specialist comes in to relieve
somebody.

Football has hitting, clipping, spearing, piling
on, personal fouls, late hitting and unnecessary
roughness.
Baseball has the sacrifice.

Football is played in any kind of weather: rain,
snow, sleet, hail, fog...
In baseball, if it rains, we don't go out to play.

Baseball has the seventh inning stretch.
Football has the two minute warning.

Baseball has no time limit: we don't know when it's gonna end
- might have extra innings.
Football is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we've got to go
to sudden death.

In baseball, during the game, in the stands, there's kind of a picnic
feeling; emotions may run high or low, but there's not too much
unpleasantness.
In football, during the game in the stands, you can be sure that at
least twenty-seven times you're capable of taking the life of a
fellow human being.

And finally, the objectives of the two games are completely
different:

In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the field
general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense
 by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz,
even if he has to use shotgun. With short bullet passes and long
bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this
aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes
in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home. And to be safe.


Except that this says it better:

The game is quintessentially American in the way it puts the
premium on both the individual and on the team; in the way
it encourages enterprise and imagination and yet asserts the
supreme power of the law. Baseball is quintessentially American
in the way it tells us that much as you travel and far as you go,
out to the green frontier, the purpose is to get home, back to
where the others are. The pioneer is ever striving to come back
to the common place. A nation of migrants always, for all the
wandering, remembers what every immigrant never forgets:
that you may leave home but if you forget where home is,
you are truly lost and without hope.

---A Bartlett Giamatti, in "Men of Baseball, Lend an Ear,"
16 June 1981.
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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2017, 09:42:46 pm »
Football is to baseball as blackjack is to bridge. One is the quick jolt. The other the deliberate, slow-paced game of skill, but never was a sport more ideally suited to television than baseball. It's all there in front of you. It's theatre, really. The star is the spotlight on the mound, the supporting cast fanned out around him, the mathematical precision of the game moving with the kind of inevitability of Greek tragedy. With the Greek chorus in the bleachers!

-- Vin Scully

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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2017, 10:00:13 pm »
Football is to baseball as blackjack is to bridge. One is the quick jolt. The other the deliberate, slow-paced game of skill, but never was a sport more ideally suited to television than baseball. It's all there in front of you. It's theatre, really. The star is the spotlight on the mound, the supporting cast fanned out around him, the mathematical precision of the game moving with the kind of inevitability of Greek tragedy. With the Greek chorus in the bleachers!

-- Vin Scully

Just today, I noticed the signature line used by @Polly Ticks Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good, too. -Yogi Berra

I, for one, have preferred football for most of my life   But the disgusting behavior by so many college and professional football players has destroyed about 80% of my interest.

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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2017, 11:01:09 pm »
Just today, I noticed the signature line used by @Polly Ticks Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good, too. -Yogi Berra

I, for one, have preferred football for most of my life   But the disgusting behavior by so many college and professional football players has destroyed about 80% of my interest.

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Come on out and join us at a baseball game!  There's still time.
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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2017, 11:15:17 pm »
Football is to baseball as blackjack is to bridge. One is the quick jolt. The other the deliberate, slow-paced game of skill, but never was a sport more ideally suited to television than baseball. It's all there in front of you. It's theatre, really. The star is the spotlight on the mound, the supporting cast fanned out around him, the mathematical precision of the game moving with the kind of inevitability of Greek tragedy. With the Greek chorus in the bleachers!

-- Vin Scully

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I'm guessing that you're familiar with this quote.  ^-^
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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2017, 11:18:51 pm »
@the_doc
Come on out and join us at a baseball game!  There's still time.
 :beer:
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And always remember . . .

They say it can't be done, but sometimes that doesn't always work.---Casey Stengel.
If you don't know where you're going, you'll end up somewhere else.---Yogi Berra.
In baseball, there's just one word---you never know.---Joaquin Andujar.


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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2017, 11:27:44 pm »
I love football.  But, I don't love football as the National Felons League.  I only watch college football now.

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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2017, 11:36:11 pm »
Football is to baseball as blackjack is to bridge. One is the quick jolt. The other the deliberate, slow-paced game of skill, but never was a sport more ideally suited to television than baseball. It's all there in front of you. It's theatre, really. The star is the spotlight on the mound, the supporting cast fanned out around him, the mathematical precision of the game moving with the kind of inevitability of Greek tragedy. With the Greek chorus in the bleachers!

-- Vin Scully

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I'm guessing that you're familiar with this quote.  ^-^


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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2017, 11:52:49 pm »
When I was growing up, I was never much of a sports fan because I was a spindly lad, 98 lb in my stocking feet.  There was no chance of participation, even in baseball or track because I was never coordinated and would fall over my own feet.  Insufficient strength for swimming.  I couldn't participate.

I grew up to like Baseball because I could see it was a thinking man's game.  I like the way the grand strategy was assembled.

Think about it:  There is one guy trying to hit a little ball with a stick, thrown by a guy trying to make it hard to hit, and nine people arrayed against him waiting to catch that ball and see to it he can't make a 30-yard dash.  Eventually those nine guys had to be that one guy while the other team is waiting to catch and field the ball (Until the abominable DH rule, which ruined the whole game).  Always the force of the many vs. the skills of the one.  Then the teams of nine swapped places with the one, yet again.

A delightful combination of the individual effort vs the combined talents of the team.  Sports doesn't get better than this.

I've heard they want to give a Designated Runner a two-base head start when games go into extra innings.  What a rotten idea.  I hope there's somebody who can strangle that baby in the crib.

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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2017, 12:09:10 am »
I've heard they want to give a Designated Runner a two-base head start when games go into extra innings.  What a rotten idea.  I hope there's somebody who can strangle that baby in the crib.

@EasyAce why I like Baseball.
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They thought about trying it out. I think it kind of died on the vine somewhere, they didn't have
to strangle the baby. They probably remembered what happened---or didn't happen---when
Charlie Finley got the brilliant idea to sign an Olympic sprinter named Herb Washington as
the A's designated runner of a sort back in the year.


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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2017, 12:25:51 am »
@Cyber Liberty
They thought about trying it out. I think it kind of died on the vine somewhere, they didn't have
to strangle the baby. They probably remembered what happened---or didn't happen---when
Charlie Finley got the brilliant idea to sign an Olympic sprinter named Herb Washington as
the A's designated runner of a sort back in the year.

Miss Slippy told me it's a done deal, they're doing it next season in the Minors.
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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2017, 12:48:48 am »
Miss Slippy told me it's a done deal, they're doing it next season in the Minors.
Where it will surely die the death it deserves, then.


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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2017, 01:01:06 am »
Your answer is right here.



You can't help but run for the mute button as soon as you hear his voice.

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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2017, 01:02:57 am »
Your answer is right here.



You can't help but run for the mute button as soon as you hear his voice.
Bob Costas is like the proverbial fish out of water with football. He's far better as
a baseball announcer and analyst. Always was.


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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2017, 01:18:10 am »
Bob Costas is like the proverbial fish out of water with football. He's far better as
a baseball announcer and analyst. Always was.

Don't forget the Olympics ...

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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2017, 01:24:23 am »
I love football.  But, I don't love football as the National Felons League.  I only watch college football now.

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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2017, 04:36:08 am »
Don't get me wrong, I love football, and I still enjoy the NFL for the most part, but the lower levels of the game can be a lot more fun to watch, simply because players are a little more prone to screw up and that leaves opportunities for cool plays you couldn't generally pull off against elite opposition. (It's even worse in soccer; it seems like every World Cup final comes down to a 1-0 extra-time slog. The NFL thankfully isn't that bad.)

I think the big problem the NFL faces is that it's starting to get too predictable. Seeing Tom Brady dominate year, after year, after year gets tiresome after a while. The salary cap may actually be making it worse, since the rosters are so huge and a team that's struggling can't put together all the pieces they need to succeed at once.
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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2017, 04:44:00 am »
An article by George Will on football?  I'm not sure George Will knows the difference between a punt and a pass.  :laugh:

But in any event, I never saw any conflict between football and baseball. Both are great sports for what they are, and I'm a big fan of both.

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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2017, 05:22:20 am »
But in any event, I never saw any conflict between football and baseball.

Let's see . . .

* The worst baseball owner isn't half the douche nozzle Jerry Jones is. He even makes George Steinbrenner
resemble an absentee owner.
* The worst baseball manager isn't half as self-delusional as the blowhard Ryan family coaches have bee.
* You can still catch a home run in the bleachers or a foul in the stands, but you still can't even catch
a football kicked for a field goal or an extra point thanks to the damn nets.
* A football isn't even shaped like a ball, for crying out loud!
* Camden Yards versus every damn last enclosed, often domed, gridiron.
* The NFL's teams play sixteen regular season games, two or three playoff games, just for the sake of
playing one game. Baseball teams play 162 games each to play a wild card game, a division series,
a league championship series, all to get to play in a seven game World Series.
* This ain't football. We do this every day. (Earl Weaver, God rest his soul.)
* Name one football nickname as colourful or as memorable as those given assorted baseball
players . . .

Arriba
The Baby Bull
The Bambino
The Barber
Bedrock
The Beeg Mon
The Big Bear
The Big Cat
The Big Donkey
The Big Hurt
Big Papi
The Big Train
The Big Unit
The Bird
Black Jack
Bad Henry
Blue Moon
Bye Bye Balboni
Cakes
The Candy Man
Capital Punishment
Catfish
Cha Cha
The Chairman of the Board
Charlie Hustle[r]
Choo Choo
The Cobra
Crash
The Crime Dog
Daffy
Dizzy
Death to Flying Things
Dennis the Menace
Dimples
Ding Dong Bell
Dr. K
Dr. Strangeglove
The Dominican Dandy
Ducky
El Duque
El Sid
Eric the Red
Everyday Eddie
The Express
Finster
Fonzie
The Fordham Flash
The Flying Hawaiian
Frenchy
The Gambler
The Georgia Peach
Gentleman Jim
The Giambino
Gimpy
Goofy
Goose
Gonzo
Goombah
The Greek God of Walks**
Harry the Hat
Hoot
The Hoosier Thunderbolt
The Hoover
The Immortal Azcue
The Iron Horse
Iron Man
Iron Mike
Jack the Ripper
Joey Bats
The Kid
King Carl
Kingfish
King Kong
Kitty
Le Grande Orange
The Leaning Tower of Flatbush
The Left Arm of God
The Lip
The Little Napoleon
Lou’siana Lightning
The Mad Hungarian
Mad Max
The Mahatma
The Man of Steal
Marvelous Marv
Master Melvin
Marse Joe
Mick the Quick
Mr. October
Mr. November
Mr. Putt Putt
The Monster
Nails
Old Aches and Pains
The Ol’ Perfesser
Pat the Bat
The Penguin
The People's Cherce
Poosh ‘em Up
Pudge
Puff the Magic Dragon
The Rooster
The Say Hey Kid
The Scooter
Shoeless Joe
The Splendid Splinter
Stan the Man Unusual
Steady Eddie
The Stick
Sudden Sam
Sugar Bear
Super Joe
Sweet Lou
Sweet Swingin’ Billy
Thor
The Terminator
Tortilla Fats
The Vulture
Wally World
The Wild Horse of the Osage
The Wild Thing
The Wizard of Oz
The Yankee Clipper
The Yankee Killer


. . . playing for teams or teams-within-teams known as . . .

The Amazin’ Mets
The Baby Birds
The Killer Bs
The Big Red Machine
The Bronx Bombers
The Boys of Summer
The Bronx Zoo
The Buffalo Heads
The Cinderella Sox
The Dalton Gang
Dem Bums
El Birdos
The Evil Empire
The Fam-i-Lee
The Gas House Gang
The Go-Go Sox
Harvey’s Wallbangers
The Hitless Wonders
The Idiots
Murderer’s Row
The Mustache Gang
The Nasty Boys
The Pittsburgh Lumber Company
The Philthy Phillies
The Runnin’ Redbirds
The Scrubeenies
The Scum Bunch
The White Elephants
The Whiz Kids


. . . playing in ballparks known, affectionately or otherwise, as . . .

The Big Shea
The Eighth Wonder of the World
The Friendly Confines
God’s Little Acre
The House That Ruth Built
The House That Ruthless Rebuilt
The Launching Pad
The Mistake on the Lake
The Old Girl
The Old Grey Lady of 33rd Street
The Stick.
(Though, during the earthquake that rudely interrupted the 1989 World Series, one wag
referred to the joint as "Wiggly Field.")
The Thunderdome
.

* Remember this: no football player ever said, "It's a beautiful day---let's play two!"

* Remember this, too: no football player or coach ever uttered any single thing as
memorable as most of what came out of Yogi Berra's and Casey Stengel's mouths.

(** - Kevin Youkilis only sounded Greek---he was actually Jewish!)
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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2017, 06:27:02 am »
There are problems in football, but now it is getting harder and harder to identify with young men who decide to exude character traits that are not what a typical person would support.

Most find it abhorrent to see such disrespect of this country.  I personally see weirdness when I see tattoos covering all visible body parts or hair flying so long one cannot even see the name on the jersey.

I just rather watch something else. 
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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2017, 08:31:19 pm »
"EasyAce"

Of course there are differences in the two sports, we all know that.

I meant "conflict" as a fan, as in being able to enjoy both sports. I have played both sports a lot, been to the stadiums a lot, and enjoy watching the games on TV as well.

Baseball is a great summer game...football is a great autumn game. In the spring, I get in the mood for baseball...in the fall, I get in the mood for football.

Hey, to each his own. I'm glad you are so fervent about the game of baseball...good for you, and I sincerely mean it.  :beer:
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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2017, 11:38:54 pm »
One more reason to leave football when thugs have no consequence for their actions.  Moral character of players in general are declining.

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Re: Why America is falling out of love with football
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2017, 02:11:52 am »
Since I was young, I had no interest in football whatsoever.

It seemed like a whole bunch of trouble to move a ball a few feet ahead, then back, then ahead.

A waste of time and effort.

If I want to see large objects bang into one another, I'd rather go to the railroad yard and watch 'em hump freight cars. At least that accomplishes something!

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I'd never heard of Colin Kapernik (or whatever his name is), until the recent brouhaha...