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The Alt-Right Is Not Who You Think They Are
« on: August 27, 2017, 10:42:48 pm »
In tweets following the violent white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, former President Barack Obama quoted words from Nelson Mandela’s autobiography: “No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite.”

The sentiment has resonated with millions of Americans and garnered some of the most “likes” in the history of Twitter. It also offered a stark contrast to the reaction of President Trump.

Yet while a moving sentiment, Mr. Obama’s comments, if taken literally, represent an incorrect interpretation of today’s racial challenges and the nature of the so-called alt-right. The statements imply an outdated theory of racism. Among many anti-racists, there has long been a naïve hope that racism is handed down from one generation to the next. If that cycle is broken, this view goes, then racial harmony can finally prevail.

Although scholarly literature provides some evidence for this argument, the alt-right shows that it does not tell nearly the entire story.

In my experience with the alt-right, I encountered a surprisingly common narrative: Alt-right supporters did not, for the most part, come from overtly racist families. Alt-right media platforms have actually been pushing this meme aggressively in recent months. Far from defending the ideas and institutions they inherited, the alt-right—which is overwhelmingly a movement of white millennials—forcefully condemns their parents’ generation. They do so because they do not believe their parents are racist enough.

In an inverse of the left-wing protest movements of the 1960s, the youthful alt-right bitterly lambast the “boomers” for their lack of explicit ethnocentrism, their rejection of patriarchy, and their failure to maintain America’s old demographic characteristics and racial hierarchy. In the alt-right’s vision, even older conservatives are useless “cucks” who focus on tax policies and forcefully deny that they are driven by racial animus.

Despite some growth over the last few years, the alt-right itself remains a small, mostly anonymous, and marginal movement. So when considering the attitudes of young people, it may be helpful to consider a much broader category: Trump supporters. How did the youngest white Americans respond to the most racially polarizing election in recent memory? It looks like they favored the man who campaigned on the promise of a border wall.

According to a large 2016 study conducted by the Hispanic Heritage Foundation, whites in high school favored Trump over Clinton by a staggering margin—larger even than Trump’s margin among adult white voters. Among this sample, 48 percent preferred Trump, 11 percent preferred Clinton, and the rest would not vote or choose another candidate.

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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2017, 10:56:01 pm »
The American Conservative was co-founded by Pat Buchanan. There is no problem with this but it kind of tells me where they are coming from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Conservative

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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2017, 11:01:07 pm »
They are the dregs that the stupid chose to invite to the party.

Until the GOP evicts them, this "ZOG" will consider himself a federalist.

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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2017, 11:04:58 pm »
The American Conservative was co-founded by Pat Buchanan. There is no problem with this but it kind of tells me where they are coming from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Conservative

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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2017, 11:11:41 pm »
Pat Buchanan did not write this article though.

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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2017, 11:11:49 pm »
Border wall = racism.

What utter unmollified crap.

Looks like the left has infiltrated many formerly conservative publications along with everything else. Any place they can influence opinions.
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2017, 12:35:32 am »
They are the dregs that the stupid chose to invite to the party.

Until the GOP evicts them, this "ZOG" will consider himself a federalist.
Dregs or not, they're human beings and they vote. Better to play them as useful idiots than let the Democrats have hegemony.
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2017, 12:42:14 am »
Dregs or not, they're human beings and they vote. Better to play them as useful idiots than let the Democrats have hegemony.


Nothing I want more than people who threaten to kill me, voting with me.

You are a perfect example of why we shouldn't listen to children.

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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2017, 03:09:51 am »
Want to know what the alt-right is all about? Go to /pol on 4-chan.

They're truly just a bunch of racists and fascists.

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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2017, 03:24:57 am »
Want to know what the alt-right is all about? Go to /pol on 4-chan.

They're truly just a bunch of racists and fascists.
1. How many are there? What percent of voters do they comprise?

2. How long did it take, to reach that number?

3. Where do they live?

4. What are their income and education levels?

5. What are their occupations?

6. What is a demographic breakdown, ages, gender, family structure, etc.

* source for all of the above?
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2017, 03:29:30 am »
I heard the author speak the other day, and this sounds like it might be quite good.  I have not yet read it.

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Over the past ten years, a new white nationalist movement has gained strength in America, bringing with it the potential to disrupt already fragile race relations. Eschewing violence, this movement seeks to expand its influence mainly through argument and persuasion directed at its target audience of white Americans aggrieved over racial double standards, race-based affirmative action policies, high black-on-white crime rates, and liberal immigration policies. The movement has also been energized, Swain contends, by minority advocacy of multiculturalism. Due to its emphasis on group self-determination, multiculturalism has provided white nationalists with justification for advocating a parallel form of white solidarity. In addition, as Swain illustrates, technological advances such as the Internet have made it easier than ever before for white nationalists to reach a more mainstream audience. Swain's study is intended as a wake-up call to all Americans who cherish the Civil Rights Era vision of an integrated America, a common humanity, and equality before God and the law.

https://www.amazon.com/New-White-Nationalism-America-Integration/dp/0521545587/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1503890834&sr=8-1&keywords=the+new+white+nationalism

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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2017, 03:42:07 am »
I heard the author speak the other day, and this sounds like it might be quite good.  I have not yet read it.

You heard Swain speak?

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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2017, 04:12:06 am »
You heard Swain speak?

Yes, on the radio.

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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2017, 04:21:35 am »
"Eschewing violence, this movement seeks to expand its influence mainly through argument and persuasion directed at its target audience of white Americans aggrieved over racial double standards, race-based affirmative action policies, high black-on-white crime rates, and liberal immigration policies."

What is the problem, with that?
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2017, 04:21:52 am »
The article is worth a read. Interesting, in that it is more focused on the development of a movement than the ideology of it.

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One study is not definitive, and the political identities of Generation Z are still forming, but the rising generation of whites shows signs of being more right-wing than the millennials. It raises the possibility that a significant number of them will come to embrace open racism.

Now, why would that be? Not justifying that response but lets look at factors affecting demographics. Boomers saw schools integrated, racism reviled, civil rights marches, Gen X saw all the programs go into place to "fight the wrongs of the past", or so they were told, and on occasion felt the sting of reverse discrimination (which is just discrimination aimed the other way)

Now Gen 'Y' and 'Z' whites (and others) are seeing overt racism from the other camp, aimed at them, whether they were ever racist or not.

Nothing breeds hate like being hated, especially in a moral/cultural environment no longer taught "Love and I had the wit to win/We drew a circle that took him in.", but instead is browbeaten, seeing the icons of their history demolished and demeaned, and blamed for events of 150+ years ago. Might be something in there that could stoke the fires of animus.

I'm not excusing the moral depravity of hating people for no reason, or at all, for that matter, though I will leave hating their deeds and ideas open and fair game. But the overall effect of the decades of cultural change is stoking the boilers of a backlash, and that solves no problems, only creates more.
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« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2017, 10:52:22 am »
Want to know what the alt-right is all about? Go to /pol on 4-chan.

They're truly just a bunch of racists and fascists.

Exactly. They're "Euro-rightists" who are racists and fascists the same as they've always been. Anybody dumb enough to think they can be used for votes is too damn stupid to vote in the first place.

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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2017, 11:50:19 am »
The StormFront crowd were largely Libertarians. The biggest complaint was always the money we give to "Isreal". They used to invade FR periodically
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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2017, 12:10:06 pm »
"Eschewing violence, this movement seeks to expand its influence mainly through argument and persuasion directed at its target audience of white Americans aggrieved over racial double standards, race-based affirmative action policies, high black-on-white crime rates, and liberal immigration policies."

What is the problem, with that?

What's the problem?  It's the right embracing racial identity politics.  It's us being just as divisive and willing to pit American against American as them.   
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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2017, 12:14:38 pm »
The StormFront crowd were largely Libertarians. The biggest complaint was always the money we give to "Isreal". They used to invade FR periodically

They're only "useful" to those who seek to destroy conservatism.

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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2017, 12:27:39 pm »
What's the problem?  It's the right embracing racial identity politics.  It's us being just as divisive and willing to pit American against American as them.

Not really.  Re-read that paragraph you quoted again.

They are rejecting "racial double standards, race-based affirmative action policies, high black-on-white crime rates, and liberal immigration policies." 
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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2017, 12:30:09 pm »
Not really.  Re-read that paragraph you quoted again.

"If you can't beat them, join them" is not a statement of victory. Its a statement of surrender.

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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2017, 12:40:25 pm »
"If you can't beat them, join them" is not a statement of victory. Its a statement of surrender.

OK, but what does that have to do with the: "They are rejecting "racial double standards, race-based affirmative action policies, high black-on-white crime rates, and liberal immigration policies.""

You need to be a bit more careful with labeling people racists.   

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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2017, 12:41:50 pm »
OK, but what does that have to do with the: "They are rejecting "racial double standards, race-based affirmative action policies, high black-on-white crime rates, and liberal immigration policies.""

You need to be a bit more careful with labeling people racists.   

I'm agreeing with you dumbass.

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« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2017, 12:43:45 pm »
I'm agreeing with you dumbass.

Well, you coulda fooled me (and, apparently did)!  Not sure how your statement shows agreement, but I'll accept it.  The stupid name calling - not so much.

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« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2017, 12:49:45 pm »
Not really.  Re-read that paragraph you quoted again.

They are rejecting "racial double standards, race-based affirmative action policies, high black-on-white crime rates, and liberal immigration policies."
What is there in that statement to not dislike? Are you a racist if you find those things to be wrong?
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