About Those Trump Supporters

[HonestJohn]

The most important election in the last 100 years and you sat it out. The battle was Hillary (and the destruction of the USA) or Trump (and maybe we could save the USA) and you sat it out. Congrands NeverTrumper you sat out the battle of a life time. And I just love the hate Trump threads here day after day, G*d forbid we might thy to help Trump roll back the Marxist crap Clinton, Bush, Obama has imposed on the country.

Your assertions are all false:

This was not the most important election in the last 100 years.  Every politician says that every election.

Trump is not saving the US.

Hillary would not have destroyed it.

[RoosGirl]

The most important election in the last 100 years and you sat it out. The battle was Hillary (and the destruction of the USA) or Trump (and maybe we could save the USA) and you sat it out. Congrands NeverTrumper you sat out the battle of a life time. And I just love the hate Trump threads here day after day, G*d forbid we might thy to help Trump roll back the Marxist crap Clinton, Bush, Obama has imposed on the country.

I'll certainly do all I can to help him with those goals.  He might have to stop calling people losers on twitter long enough to achieve them though.  According to this article though he is our savior and if so doesn't need my help.  And, since he's willing to sign whatever turd healthcare bill is put in front of him I don't have a hope that any socialist program will actually be rolled back.

[jpsb]

It is pretty clear at this point that humility is not your thing, I suggest you work on that, going around telling everyone how morally superior you are is not going to end well for you. Also your judgement is not nearly as good as you think it is.

[INVAR]

And more perverted than that?   It's used for only one purpose.  To associate Trump supporters here as Nazis.

That's funny.  The Mods and owner actually understood the point and reason the photo was posted, and the ensuing debate about it, even though they removed it to placate the complaints you folks insisted I was making.

Perhaps some reading comprehension once again is in order?

And to elevate himself.  To demonstrate he's 'brave' enough to enter a lion's den and be defiant to the group think. 

And I'm sick of it.

Well, at least you admit to group think.  But whom praytell am I 'elevating myself' in front of?  The "minority" of Conservatives here that some have said they are happy we are?

If you're so cocksure of the majority you hold, why get so frightened and sick by what I post to a tiny minority?

[endicom]

[corbe]

[INVAR]

It is pretty clear at this point that humility is not your thing,

No.  Compromising my principles is not my thing.

Like liberals, you cannot stand the fact I won't agree with you and do what you demand we do...or else.

I suggest you work on that, going around telling everyone how morally superior you are is not going to end well for you. Also your judgement is not nearly as good as you think it is.

That's funny right there.  Someone who warns me about humility and judgement who has the hubris to decide what God will decree of my place in the Kingdom of God.

That's brilliant.

What were you saying about moral superiority again?

Oh, and could you join Driftdriver and go on a hunt for the quotes I never said and provide the link and where I stated that I considered myself morally superior.

I know that people who live by and defend what is right are declared to be guilty of moral superiority by those who are offended by the fact that they will not capitulate to demands they stop, shut up and do what they are told.  But then, I guess this is what running hand-in-hand with Liberals and voting for them has taught you.

[Smokin Joe]

You use your so called "principles" as a devise to hide behind. I find it cowardly, people that really do have "principles" make the hard real life choices that are sometime forced upon them. Example Hillary or Trump. They do not go around claiming to be better then every one else, morally superior, because they did the "principled" thing, mean while the country burns to the ground. So personally I do not buy your "principled" argument, not in the least tiniest little bit. 

I'm just going leave it at that because I'd be banned if I told the hardcore NeverTrumpers what I really thought of them.

I did what every American is supposed to do. I voted for someone most closely aligned with my principles and beliefs, who used the Constitution of the United States as his Party platform.

Needless to say, neither Hillary nor Trump got my vote.

I wasn't hiding behind my principles, I was pushing them.

If the country burns to the ground it won't be because of my vote. You won, and you still bitch and complain. Amazing.

[txradioguy]

Name the people here who wanted Hillary for president.

By name, and quote where they said they wanted Hillary for president. Use links.

You made the assertion, now back it up.

[INVAR]

Let's try this one more time - back to the the essay in the OP and let us see if the Trump Faithful are willing to answer the rebuttals to the essay or if they will simply prefer to continue to call us cowards and accuse us of moral superiority and making statements that Trump should slap them in the face with his privates:

So, on that fateful November 8th, Americans didn’t necessarily vote for a president, as much as they voted for the man who rescued them from captivity. The media, the polls, or whatever metric these political “savants” use will never understand the loyalty Trump supporters have to their rescuer.

Does no one find the idea of assigning Trump "Moses" status troublesome?  Were all of you truly helpless slaves before Trump came along to rescue you?

Are you "rescued" now?  Have the burdens of Pharaoh's lashes of Socialism been relieved from you?  Have the Trump plagues decimated Washington By The Nile?

Trump supporters just don’t give a damn, and why the hell should they....Trump supporters don’t give a damn about a meeting, a tweet, or whatever the hell else it is you have convinced yourselves should matter to the rest of us.

To the crux of the issue he cites, flies right into the heart of whether character or principles matter.  And according to Friedman, NO - no they do not. 

I'm genuinely curious about a people who insist principles do not matter and take a person without noble or honest character at face value.  Then, it is miraculous to watch them make amazing conflated excuses why it is that their Deliverer cannot part the Sea of Socialism and make good on his promises of Deliverance when Pharoah's  Democrat Chariots have them pinned at the beach.

They see you fighting for a floundering belief system, fighting to remain relevant, fighting to continue to keep the shackles on all those you tormented — that must really frighten you. Well, I’ve got some bad news for you: it is no longer working. Millions of Americans are now free, or freedom is in their sights, and they chose the man who helped them escape. To Trump supporters, “freedom’s not just another word,” it’s the only word, and they are sticking with the man who is keeping his promise to give it to them.

Truly their Deliverer Trump has the the Mightiness of his own strength on tap to part that sea of Socialism and let the country escape on the dry land of Capitalism for the promised land?

I have yet to hear the wind blow on the rocks, and I stand here amazed at watching a mob, having given themselves over to a man with low character and principles, gnashing their teeth at anyone who tells them they refuse to follow a false prophet and warn them of the dangers of making a politician their 'Deliverer'.

So they snicker and insist that we who refuse to march, are a hopeless minority and they are glad of it.

Because as I attempted to illustrate - history is replete with mobs following men who promised to save them and make their nations 'great' again while it is always the few who try waking up and warning the herd where it is stampeding:

Over the cliff.

[txradioguy]

It is NOT the photo itself. It IS deliberate intentional calling Trump's supporters,  in effect mindless Nazis.

And making the claim of being something special, above such mere mortals.

Apparently Invar is desperate to gain special status, of being smarter, more "principled" than anybody else.

He sure makes the point at least a dozen times, each day.

[mystery-ak]

tx remove your post...this thread is out of control and your *orange*comment doesn't help matters

[txradioguy]

tx remove your post...this thread is out of control and your *orange*comment doesn't help matters

Yes ma'am. Done.

[Smokin Joe]

And yet none of you <bleep bleeps> can point to one instance where someone who criticized Trumps missteps ever said they wish for that.

Nope, but they will assert we are jumping for joy at every failure 'because we wanted to be right'.

Not only is that a most disturbing projection of personality, but it implies that we would say "Eff the Constitution, Eff the Country, Eff our families and everyone else, Eff the economy, Eff Western Civilization, we just want to be right" or words to that effect, as if a prediction of failure meant more than the success many of us actually voted for.

Not only is that an egregious mischaracterization, it is a grievous insult, designed to impugn the integrity of people who are only looking for integrity, principle, and character, instead of throwing the seminal aspects of our culture, our country, and our civilization on the table as chattel to be bargained away in some 'deal'.
What vile, odious, corruption of thought could lead to decrying those who stand steadfast for moral uprightness and the Constitution (and all who have fought for both) over one man?


(Edited to delete "Orange worshipers" from tx's post)

[txradioguy]

Nope, but they will assert we are jumping for joy at every failure 'because we wanted to be right'.

Not only is that a most disturbing projection of personality, but it implies that we would say "Eff the Constitution, Eff the Country, Eff our families and everyone else, Eff the economy, Eff Western Civilization, we just want to be right" or words to that effect, as if a prediction of failure meant more than the success many of us actually voted for.

Not only is that an egregious mischaracterization, it is a grievous insult, designed to impugn the integrity of people who are only looking for integrity, principle, and character, instead of throwing the seminal aspects of our culture, our country, and our civilization on the table as chattel to be bargained away in some 'deal'.
What vile, odious, corruption of thought could lead to decrying those who stand steadfast for moral uprightness and the Constitution (and all who have fought for both) over one man?


(Edited to delete "Orange worshipers" from tx's post)

QFT

[corbe]

   I know better than to thrash around in this Lady's Threads, I've got rug burns still.

[RoosGirl]

Let's try this one more time - back to the the essay in the OP and let us see if the Trump Faithful are willing to answer the rebuttals to the essay or if they will simply prefer to continue to call us cowards and accuse us of moral superiority and making statements that Trump should slap them in the face with his privates:

Well I ain't answering you again.  Good luck getting all those who call us cowards to actually give you straight forward answers to your questions.

[RoosGirl]

   I know better than to thrash around in this Lady's Threads, I've got rug burns still.

Oh, don't tell me that as kind and level headed as I've always seen you be that you got yourself put in a time out?!

[truth_seeker]

Ewe. While I was away, the inmates flung poo all around their cages, again.

One of the most significant results in 6 months is getting Gorsuch on the Supreme Court. There are already, and will continue to be others.

Trump supporters were the voters, that made that happen.

[INVAR]

Well I ain't answering you again.  Good luck getting all those who call us cowards to actually give you straight forward answers to your questions.

Just attempting to get the thread back onto the arguments Friedman makes. I know it's futile and some have decided that rebutting those assertions is 'flinging poo' - but hey - trying to do my small part in our small minority to discuss the actual stated opinion that Trump is some kind of Deliverer of this people from the bondage of slavery.

Oh, don't tell me that as kind and level headed as I've always seen you be that you got yourself put in a time out?!

I guess that would depend entirely on WHERE Corbe suffered those rug burns.

[Smokin Joe]

Just attempting to get the thread back onto the arguments Friedman makes. I know it's futile and some have decided that rebutting those assertions is 'flinging poo' - but hey - trying to do my small part in our small minority to discuss the actual stated opinion that Trump is some kind of Deliverer of this people from the bondage of slavery.

I guess that would depend entirely on WHERE Corbe suffered those rug burns.

I don't see any man as a great deliverer from slavery, even though there are those who like to put Lincoln there. I found it odd that he subjugated half the country by force of arms, burning crops and farms and mills and industry to make us all 'free', but then, that's my opinion and a discussion for another thread.

I'm no one's serf or slave, and don't see myself being delivered from anything much right now, not by Trump or anyone else.

The only deliverance I get is through Jesus Christ, not a human.

[Mom MD]

I'm no one's serf or slave, and don't see myself being delivered from anything much right now, not by Trump or anyone else.

The only deliverance I get is through Jesus Christ, not a human.

 

[INVAR]

Ewe. While I was away, the inmates flung poo all around their cages, again.

One of the most significant results in 6 months is getting Gorsuch on the Supreme Court. There are already, and will continue to be others.

Trump supporters were the voters, that made that happen.

Hooray for Trump voters who made Gorshuch happen! (while we have yet to read a ruling he has made).

Is that another reason to declare Trump a Deliverer of this people from the bondage of slavery?

That is the position of the OP, that you don't care about principles or character, only that Trump delivers you from the slavery of Democrats.

[corbe]

Oh, don't tell me that as kind and level headed as I've always seen you be that you got yourself put in a time out?!

   No, @RoosGirl never been sent to the corner, but I have been dragged across the carpet a few times by the mods, hence the rug burns comment, it was not a joke about our President's ridiculous hair.

   I hear this characterization of the mods being NT'ers and I cringe, knowing, I'm doing 'something' else wrong, makes me ask myself to many personal questions for which I have no answers.

[RoosGirl]

Just attempting to get the thread back onto the arguments Friedman makes. I know it's futile and some have decided that rebutting those assertions is 'flinging poo' - but hey - trying to do my small part in our small minority to discuss the actual stated opinion that Trump is some kind of Deliverer of this people from the bondage of slavery.

I guess that would depend entirely on WHERE Corbe suffered those rug burns.

I would like to go back to the picture you posted of the guy that would not solute his fuhrer.  The guy who wouldn't follow the mob and took the cowardly way out.  I understand that coward was hunted down and shot by the people supporting his fuhrer.  Oh I wish I were half as cowardly as he.

There's rarely a comment here that really gets me mad.  But railing against this picture, being offended by this picture, asking that it be censored out, does the great man in that picture a severe injustice.  That is what gets me mad.