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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2017, 08:28:39 pm »
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Another give away federal program.  Once passed, it will stay forever and the money will be increased - money we do not have.  I read that article, and it sounds like six weeks free money for the father AND for the mother.  That is twelve weeks the federal government gives them money.  Have more kids and get more money.

I grew up in a time when the family got nothing from government or their employer except for what money they earned by working.  Social Security began in 1935 so my father was in the generation that first got that.  They got nothing from the Sun Oil Company where he worked except for his pay check.  They bought their own medical insurance and life insurance.  Families were responsible for their own lives.  The family made it on their own.  Families in need were helped by churches.

Socialism will kill this country when there is not enough government money to give to those who are in government give away programs.  We are actually at that point since our debt keeps rising and this program will add to the debt since we already don't have the money.  The Trump family dynasty rushes us to collapse.

Maybe somebody should clue in poor Ivanka....

that she is helping to advance the radical left's Cloward-Piven agenda by pushing this... yet another socialist entitlement program, that is anti-corporation, anti-business (especially small business) and in the process... is anti-capitalism....

and that she is also harming her father's presidency, in the process, by pushing an obvious Democrat wet-dream program.  But she's supposedly a smart gal... so I suspect that she already knows that.
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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2017, 08:31:08 pm »
As a reminder, the annual budget deficits are expected to rise from $440 billion in the current fiscal year to $1.4 trillion in 2027.  That is before Trump's tax cuts, military spending increases, and public works boondoggles.

That's ok.   When it all comes tumbling down in a final collapse.... the Trump family will be just fine.   All those millions (billions?) will make a great cushion to fall back on.
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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2017, 12:02:34 am »
Any actual defenders here on this?

He'll be around shortly to lecture us on the benefits to society and how this is a 'Christian virtue' we must embrace or be declared bigots and lacking compassion for mothers and babies - while in the next breath lauding the need for abortion clinics to be open and available to all.
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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2017, 12:34:48 am »
Many of the larger companies already have some sort of FL and many pay for so many weeks.  Smaller companies rarely do and most cannot afford to do so.

Sorta torn on the whole issue. Mommas need to be with their kids the first several months..actually much longer like to age 16 but I will be labeled as quite mysoginistic for saying that...but at the same time many families forced to have 2 breadwinners.

Tough call and complex issue.

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It's not tough.  My husband doesn't work his butt off to provide time off for someone else, baby or no baby.  If a couple can't come up with a workable solution, they can delay having children until a more opportune time.

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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2017, 12:52:11 am »
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It's not tough.  My husband doesn't work his butt off to provide time off for someone else, baby or no baby.  If a couple can't come up with a workable solution, they can delay having children until a more opportune time.

@CatherineofAragon how ever did we survive raising  our kids and earning a living before the Federal leviathan?
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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2017, 01:08:19 am »
@CatherineofAragon how ever did we survive raising  our kids and earning a living before the Federal leviathan?

Different times. I grew up in late 60' and 70's when my mom was the only woman on the street to work full time. Maybe 2-3 others worked p/t. On the street I live on now there is only 2 under age 65 women who do not work out of 16 homes.

It's tough to raise  a family today on one income unless you are a gov't /union worker with great benefits.
Just for the two of use out health insurance is $1400 month with a 4000 deductible. The company we own pays for it but in effect it is coming out of our pockets.

One of my wifes employees has been off for 6 months because her mom had  a stroke and she is the only child. Great employee and she will have her job back when she is able to get back to work but not all employers are like my wife.

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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2017, 01:26:31 am »
@CatherineofAragon how ever did we survive raising  our kids and earning a living before the Federal leviathan?
Our kids are dumber, ignorant of history and more illiterate; our industries have left; our housing markets have collapsed; unemployment skyrocketing; our races divided, sexes confused; healthcare both inadequate and unaffordable - all THANKS to the intervention and meddling of the Federal Leviathan.

You would think the majority would look and see the results that showcase without a doubt that everything the government ever touches turns to shit.

But no.  This people see the Federal Leviathan as their new god, their provider, their fairnessmaker,  their punisher of those they are jealous of and despise.

They hear "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain - but hate these rich, and these Whites and demand they pay more fair shares" - and so the emoting masses do.

You and I would do just fine if the Federal Leviathan ceased to exist tomorrow.

But the majority of this people... rise each morning in the belief that the very air they breathe has somehow been provided to them and made better for them, by the Federal Leviathan.


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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2017, 01:37:19 am »
My small company already has a family leave program.   Employees get time off from roughly 5pm to 8am of the next day five days a week.   They get all day Sat and Sunday off too!!!
I'd say kudos to that company if they can do that and remain competitive in the marketplace.  That is what freedom is all about.  If they begin going south then changes can be made.

The problem in dictating for everybody to do is another Michelle Lunch program boondoggle that nobody likes.
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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2017, 03:26:45 am »
Spoiled rich bitch who is jet setting around the world with her sleazy slumlord husband under the US banner. When in the hell is congress going to step in and throw these losers out of the WH?

Good question.  This is ridiculous.  We had our children without help and so can everyone else.  If corporations want to provide the benefit great, otherwise raise your own family.  I did and we had to scrimp to get along.  But we did it. 

I just can't believe she is pushing this when people can't even afford health insurance for their families due to high premiums. 
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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2017, 04:21:57 am »
You and I would do just fine if the Federal Leviathan ceased to exist tomorrow.

But the majority of this people... rise each morning in the belief that the very air they breathe has somehow been provided to them and made better for them, by the Federal Leviathan.
I'd say we would do better if the Federal Leviathan ceased to exist tomorrow.  We could keep our money being confiscated by taxes currently, and we don't use the services anyway.  The federal government exists to provide for the common defense and a few other limited things.  What it has become is absurd.
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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2017, 05:48:04 am »
No, Ivanka, just no. Keep that as a bennie employers can offer to some of their employees, but otherwise, no. Not everyone can afford it, not every employer can afford it, especially with the ACA, too.
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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2017, 06:10:56 am »
What?  This is nothing but a giveaway with absolutely zero benefit.  Six weeks.  It's a stupid, arbitrary number that makes the ill-informed nod in agreement.  Any number larger may make them ask questions.  Remember when they pulled similar BS with the $787B Stimulus?
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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2017, 04:44:08 pm »
No, Ivanka, just no. Keep that as a bennie employers can offer to some of their employees, but otherwise, no. Not everyone can afford it, not every employer can afford it, especially with the ACA, too.

Unbelievable.  I know that my company could never afford this.  Our wages are just above minimum for a starting wage.  So according to the article states would cover six weeks for everyone who's company wouldn't provide the benefit.  That means that even though I make just above the minimum my property tax is going to sky rocket even farther until I can't pay and loose my house.  Money has to come from somewhere.  Many states already are in debt.  How does that help families?  And in my state you could believe that every single illegal immigrant family would be using it too.

Another things.   Benefits for fathers too?  Dumb.  Climb out of your silver platter woman!  We are not recreating the family unit.

No, no and no.  If you have a family take care of it yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I am tired of taking care of other people's families when it is hard to take care of my own.
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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2017, 05:50:12 pm »
From article

“To this end, we are working with lawmakers on both sides of the aisle to design a paid-leave policy that provides a targeted benefit to help the people who need it the most and are least likely to receive it from their employer, without discouraging larger companies from developing more generous policies,” she writes.

The president's daughter also pointed to economic benefits that arise when women succeed in the labor work force.

“Women’s increased participation in the workforce in recent decades has been an important driver of middle-class incomes;


Making more money at the expense of losing a moral family unit?  NO wonder this idiot has no sense at all.  She thinks money solves all problems.
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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2017, 08:13:56 pm »
From article

“To this end, we are working with lawmakers on both sides of the aisle to design a paid-leave policy that provides a targeted benefit to help the people who need it the most and are least likely to receive it from their employer, without discouraging larger companies from developing more generous policies,” she writes.

The president's daughter also pointed to economic benefits that arise when women succeed in the labor work force.

“Women’s increased participation in the workforce in recent decades has been an important driver of middle-class incomes;


Making more money at the expense of losing a moral family unit?  NO wonder this idiot has no sense at all.  She thinks money solves all problems.
It has been proven to be the opposite.

When I grew up, single wage earner households were the norm, and most mothers were home with the kids--not all, but most. Those who were not were generally professionals, or had a husband either recovering from an injury or otherwise unable to be employed.

As the trend grew to that second income being commonplace, our economy went through an inflationary cycle, most notably the Carter years, when fuel prices had quintupled, auto prices (new, 'entry  level car) more than tripled, and interest rates were so high that many states had to change their usury laws for banks to be able to borrow at prime rate.
 
Now the (house and land) I grew up in ($20K in the mid 50s) is worth easily 25 times that in modern dollars, a new basic car (such as they are) is 12K instead of 2K, gasoline is 11X what it was back when, and while interest rates are low, the principle involved is still insanely high.

In other words, for many on the lower end of the income spectrum, the increase in wages brought little increase in buying power: inflation ate the difference, and now two-income households are more a matter of necessity for most youngsters than one of choice.

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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2017, 08:45:14 pm »
It has been proven to be the opposite.

When I grew up, single wage earner households were the norm, and most mothers were home with the kids--not all, but most.
 Now the (house and land) I grew up in ($20K in the mid 50s) is worth easily 25 times that in modern dollars, a new basic car (such as they are) is 12K instead of 2K, gasoline is 11X what it was back when, and while interest rates are low, the principle involved is still insanely high.

We were talking about that yesterday.  Houses in this subdivision are selling for over $350,000.  This whole area is full of these prices up to over one million. Thirty years ago, they were about $120,000 and the million dollar ones didn't even exit then.  As the prices have gone up, taxes are going sky high based on these new values.  People are going to start losing these houses because they can't pay the exorbitant Property Owner's taxes, city, school, state tax anymore.  They are going to have to downsize to a house that now costs $100,000 or less in order to be able to live in them and pay the taxes.  One family in here sold their house and moved to another state to a place that didn't have a Property Owners Assn., those taxes and city taxes. 

We won't have to move due to higher taxes, but the angst it causes us to see this happening, encourages us to think about a smaller house than this great big one for just the two of us.  A piece of land and build our own, to get away from others ruling our lives sounds like a good idea. 

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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2017, 08:55:27 pm »
@Victoria33 My parents now pay about 150% of the original (1956) valuation of the property in property taxes annually. That's almost as much as I paid for my home in another state. They won't be taxed out, but those are East Coast taxes, and most of us kids won't retire comfortably enough to carry them as a second home.
Beautiful area, stupid laws.
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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2017, 09:23:16 pm »
@Victoria33 My parents now pay about 150% of the original (1956) valuation of the property in property taxes annually. That's almost as much as I paid for my home in another state. They won't be taxed out, but those are East Coast taxes, and most of us kids won't retire comfortably enough to carry them as a second home.
Beautiful area, stupid laws.
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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2017, 09:27:57 pm »
Ivanka, I think you could better serve your country by staying home, being pregnant, barefoot, and rattling some pots and pan,
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« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2017, 09:42:26 pm »
It has been proven to be the opposite.

When I grew up, single wage earner households were the norm, and most mothers were home with the kids--not all, but most. Those who were not were generally professionals, or had a husband either recovering from an injury or otherwise unable to be employed.

As the trend grew to that second income being commonplace, our economy went through an inflationary cycle, most notably the Carter years, when fuel prices had quintupled, auto prices (new, 'entry  level car) more than tripled, and interest rates were so high that many states had to change their usury laws for banks to be able to borrow at prime rate.
 
Now the (house and land) I grew up in ($20K in the mid 50s) is worth easily 25 times that in modern dollars, a new basic car (such as they are) is 12K instead of 2K, gasoline is 11X what it was back when, and while interest rates are low, the principle involved is still insanely high.

In other words, for many on the lower end of the income spectrum, the increase in wages brought little increase in buying power: inflation ate the difference, and now two-income households are more a matter of necessity for most youngsters than one of choice.



Women moving into the workforce didn't cause the Carter inflation. 

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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2017, 09:46:57 pm »
@CatherineofAragon how ever did we survive raising  our kids and earning a living before the Federal leviathan?

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Well,   I don't have kids.  That's something I never admitted at TOS because I would have been accused of being anti-family, a child-hater, etc.  None of that is true.  I still don't want my pocket picked, however.

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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2017, 10:22:05 pm »
Stupid laws = Stupid people.

Just like in guns, laws do not shoot anybody.
Yeah, since I grew up there, there has been an incredible influx of people, mainly who work in DC or Government related jobs. People who work in government tend to want more government. It makes their industry a growth sector. Shrink the Federal Government, maybe some of those would leave, getting the area back to fishermen and farmers. In those days, it was much better.
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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2017, 10:30:18 pm »
When I was a kid, Dad worked dayligg5.  Mom worked 4 hours in the evening.  If, however, Dad had to work overtine, we had 2 sets of grandparents plus an aunt and uncle who could look after us.  If for some reason none of them were available, there were neighbors with  kids our ages who would be happy to take us kids in, as our parents would do for their kids.

I miss the old days when people could work out child care with family or neighbors instead of looking to government to raise our kids.

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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2017, 10:40:50 pm »
When I was a kid, Dad worked dayligg5.  Mom worked 4 hours in the evening.  If, however, Dad had to work overtine, we had 2 sets of grandparents plus an aunt and uncle who could look after us.  If for some reason none of them were available, there were neighbors with  kids our ages who would be happy to take us kids in, as our parents would do for their kids.

I miss the old days when people could work out child care with family or neighbors instead of looking to government to raise our kids.
I agree. If mom had to do something 'up the road' we usually ended up at my grandparent's (1/2 mile away), an Aunt/Uncle's house (1/4-1/2 mile away), or over at my Great Uncle/Aunt's place. If that couldn't be worked out, we had a babysitter. The government wasn't involved in the least.
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Re: Ivanka Trump makes her case for national paid family leave program
« Reply #49 on: July 08, 2017, 10:41:39 pm »
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Well,   I don't have kids.  That's something I never admitted at TOS because I would have been accused of being anti-family, a child-hater, etc.  None of that is true.  I still don't want my pocket picked, however.

Just be glad you were never a stepfather. TOS has declared that all of them are baby murdering abusive rapists.