McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill

[INVAR]

Getting back to the topic of this thread:

McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill

One has to wonder if Trump's tweet about full repeal is designed to panic the Democrats and help McConnell garner Democrat support for the GOP appropriation of ObamaCare as their own?

In an age of universal deceit such as we exist in, watching these people play shell games is what politics has devolved into.  It's a good worry for us to have - that we are all being played so that the Establishment's protection of Obama's signature legacy is made permanent with Single Payer a soon-to-be-reality that ObamaCare is singularly designed to bring about.

[XenaLee]

Getting back to the topic of this thread:

McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill

One has to wonder if Trump's tweet about full repeal is designed to panic the Democrats and help McConnell garner Democrat support for the GOP appropriation of ObamaCare as their own?

In an age of universal deceit such as we exist in, watching these people play shell games is what politics has devolved into.  It's a good worry for us to have - that we are all being played so that the Establishment's protection of Obama's signature legacy is made permanent with Single Payer a soon-to-be-reality that ObamaCare is singularly designed to bring about.

Shell games and con games.   If you weren't already extremely cynical about how things get done in DC.... watch the House of Cards tv series.  It rivals and mimics a lot of what we've already seen happen.... and leaves one wondering what else in the series has actually happened in our political landscape. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Getting back to the topic of this thread:

McConnell Could Turn to Democrats to Salvage Healthcare Bill

One has to wonder if Trump's tweet about full repeal is designed to panic the Democrats and help McConnell garner Democrat support for the GOP appropriation of ObamaCare as their own?

In an age of universal deceit such as we exist in, watching these people play shell games is what politics has devolved into.  It's a good worry for us to have - that we are all being played so that the Establishment's protection of Obama's signature legacy is made permanent with Single Payer a soon-to-be-reality that ObamaCare is singularly designed to bring about.

Indeed, back on topic.  I think Hell will freeze before any Dem hands Trump any kind of victory.  Chinless is making the very definition of an empty threat here. 

[txradioguy]

Shell games and con games.   If you weren't already extremely cynical about how things get done in DC.... watch the House of Cards tv series.  It rivals and mimics a lot of what we've already seen happen.... and leaves one wondering what else in the series has actually happened in our political landscape.

Makes you wonder if Ol' Mitch is a consultant to that show.

[XenaLee]

I want me some 'middle-class entitlements.'  Would you kindly explain exactly what those are?

There's no such thing.  At least, not to MY knowledge.   The middle class, as usual, gets bent over and scroood as the politicians have their way with them/us.... over and over and over again.  Sheesh.  And we don't even get a nice dinner.

[Smokin Joe]

I want the ACA fixed. I want premiums reduced.  I want the mandates gone.  I want the Medicaid entitlement rolled back to pave the way for tax relief.

You don't want any of those things, not if you cling to your stubborn insistence on total repeal which isn't politically possible.   I am bored to tears at you and those like you who act like petulant children.  Don't dare complain about the ACA - it's fools like you that will keep it firmly in place.

There is only one way to "fix" legislation that has NO Constitutional Authorization. Get rid of it.

[Jazzhead]

I want me some 'middle-class entitlements.'  Would you kindly explain exactly what those are?

Social Security and Medicare, which combined eat up more of the federal budget than any other.  And the ACA, which forces insurance companies to make available insurance for those with pre-existing conditions - a boon to members of the middle class who lose their jobs and their employer-provided health insurance. 

[XenaLee]

Social Security and Medicare, which combined eat up more of the federal budget than any other.  And the ACA, which forces insurance companies to make available insurance for those with pre-existing conditions - a boon to members of the middle class who lose their jobs and their employer-provided health insurance.

Uhh..... so you're calling something that government forces workers to pay into via their withholding (ie taxes) for their entire working career an "entitlement"?

Got it.

[Smokin Joe]

Sadly too many Republicans have become used to...or willfully embraced Liberalism in their daily life because that's the easy thing to do and requires little thought or effort on their part in their daily lives.

They seem to forget or never learned the lesson that "any government powerful enough to give you everything you want is also powerful enough to take away everything you have".

It also mutes the personal disappointment they feel when the person they backed with starry eyes as the next Saviour of the Republic turned out to be a fraud. It's hard on the ego to admit that someone you poured all that hope and emotion into isn't fit to lick boots clean after you've been in the barnyard, and some people never make the jump.

Reminds me of one of my granddaughters:
"He treats you like crap"
"But then he's so sweet at times."
"He's messing around on you."
"But he gets me things"
"He hit you?"
"But I love him."

It's that battered wife syndrome thing. Until the electorate grows out of that (and some never will), those liars in DC and elsewhere will keep playing the honeymoon games in the election years, and abuse the voters in the off years, sure as the sun comes up.

[Cyber Liberty]

Social Security and Medicare, which combined eat up more of the federal budget than any other.  And the ACA, which forces insurance companies to make available insurance for those with pre-existing conditions - a boon to members of the middle class who lose their jobs and their employer-provided health insurance.

Interesting you said "Social Security and Medicare."  Am I given to believe you'd like for SS to be means-tested?  After all, it seems unfair a rich guy deserves SS, right?

[INVAR]

Uhh..... so you're calling something that government forces workers to pay into via their withholding (ie taxes) for their entire working career an "entitlement"?

That is exactly how all Leftists and Socialists in America view SoSec and Medicare.

Obamacare was no boon to anyone in my circle of middle class working stiffs who lost their jobs in the last 6 years or were entering the workforce.

It's been a nightmare of horrors for them. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Uhh..... so you're calling something that government forces workers to pay into via their withholding (ie taxes) for their entire working career an "entitlement"?

Got it.

C'mon, we both saw that coming from a mile away.  A Nautical mile.

[Bigun]

Interesting you said "Social Security and Medicare."  Am I given to believe you'd like for SS to be means-tested?  After all, it seems unfair a rich guy deserves,SS, right?

And let's not forget that those two taxes are, by far, the heaviest burden the working poor face as they are extracted from the first dollar earned to the last!

[XenaLee]

C'mon, we both saw that coming from a mile away.  A Nautical mile.

Well.... yeah.   But I still had to say something!   lololol

[XenaLee]

That is exactly how all Leftists and Socialists in America view SoSec and Medicare.

Obamacare was no boon to anyone in my circle of middle class working stiffs who lost their jobs in the last 6 years or were entering the workforce.

It's been a nightmare of horrors for them.

It also devastated the already damaged and struggling job market.... since the idiot Demrats inflicted Obamacare upon the nation in the middle of the worst recession since the Great Depression.  It's a wonder we didn't go straight into a Great Depression II because of it.

[Cyber Liberty]

And let's not forget that those two taxes are, by far, the heaviest burden the working poor face as they are extracted from the first dollar earned to the last!

I'd just be interested to see if he thinks we should means-test SS.  The answer to that tells me a lot about a  person's character.  I already know that he thinks of mine, which is why he's not likely to answer.   

[Jazzhead]

Uhh..... so you're calling something that government forces workers to pay into via their withholding (ie taxes) for their entire working career an "entitlement"?

Got it.

Of course it's an entitlement.  The definition of an entitlement is a non-discretionary budget item that cannot be altered through the annual budgetary process.  It's a fixed financial commitment of the government, fixed by law.  That's what an "entitlement" is.  Look it up if you don't believe me.  Sheesh. 

What you asked for were examples of "middle class" entitlements.   These are the biggest entitlements, and they primarily benefit the middle class.   The ones I omitted were the hated "means tested" ones like Medicaid or food stamps, which benefit, of course, the non-virtuous and undeserving poor.

But don't worry - virtuous conservatives like yourself get to feed like gluttons off the government trough, too.     

[XenaLee]

I'd just be interested to see if he thinks we should means-test SS.  The answer to that tells me a lot about a  person's character.  I already know that he thinks of mine, which is why he's not likely to answer.   

I suspect that he thinks that government should even things out re: folks that already have money or get a pension and still draw social security.  Since... they didn't earn that, build it or deserve it ....they just got lucky.... it's only fair for government to step in and spread the wealth to others that didn't get so lucky.   Right?  It's called socialism.... communism w/a smiley face.

[Cyber Liberty]

It also devastated the already damaged and struggling job market.... since the idiot Demrats inflicted Obamacare upon the nation in the middle of the worst recession since the Great Depression.  It's a wonder we didn't go straight into a Great Depression II because of it.

By Reagan's definition, we've been there for years.  "When you lose your job."

[XenaLee]

Of course it's an entitlement.  The definition of an entitlement is a non-discretionary budget item that cannot be altered through the annual budgetary process.  It's a fixed financial commitment of the government, fixed by law.  That's what an "entitlement" is.  Look it up if you don't believe me.  Sheesh. 

What you asked for were examples of "middle class" entitlements.   These are the biggest entitlements, and they primarily benefit the middle class.   The ones I omitted were the hated "means tested" ones like Medicaid or food stamps, which benefit, of course, the non-virtuous and undeserving poor.

But don't worry - virtuous conservatives like yourself get to feed like gluttons off the government trough, too.     

I think you are attempting to redefine the term.   When I think entitlement, I think of something that you actually did NOT pay into and actually have the option of NOT paying for or participating in.   Social Security and Medicare does NOT qualify under that definition.... since you are given no choice by government re: having to pay for it.

[INVAR]

Interesting you said "Social Security and Medicare."  Am I given to believe you'd like for SS to be means-tested?  After all, it seems unfair a rich guy deserves SS, right?

Well, now that he has charged you and every other "middle class Conservative" with hubris gluttony at the government trough, I think you got your answer - if even only couched within his contempt.

But no surprise given his continuous revelations of what he really is.

[Jazzhead]

It also devastated the already damaged and struggling job market.... since the idiot Demrats inflicted Obamacare upon the nation in the middle of the worst recession since the Great Depression.  It's a wonder we didn't go straight into a Great Depression II because of it.

The job-killing aspects of the ACA are exactly what the GOP legislation seeks to fix.  Of course,  you're against it.   

[Cyber Liberty]

The ones I omitted were the hated "means tested" ones like Medicaid or food stamps, which benefit, of course, the non-virtuous and undeserving poor.
   

Dog-whistle much?

[XenaLee]

By Reagan's definition, we've been there for years.  "When you lose your job."

Of course.   But the lamestream, Obama-fawning leftie media would never ever utter the "D" word while a democrat was in the WH.   Hell, the feds didn't even raise interest rates until Trump got elected.  They had to keep the economy in park artificially, at all costs, to preserve the Bathhouse Barry Legacy.

[Smokin Joe]

No lefty threat.  I've voted GOP for 40 years.  I voted for Reagan in 1976.  What I'm trying to do is to urge pragmatism and realism.   Don't misunderstand why Trump won.  His voters don't want their middle class entitlements taken away.   They also don't want the chaos that would ensue if ACA were repealed in toto without a replacement.   Hell, I bet they'd just as soon see the ACA "fixed" by pouring more money down the rathole.   

The Senate bill represents pragmatic, sound policy that bends the curve back in the conservative direction.   I support it - because I want the GOP to succeed and beat back the liberal tide.     

Conservatives are setting themselves up for a fall in 2018.   That's not a threat, that's just reality.  No, it's the last thing I want to see happen.  But it is the future if conservatism doesn't ditch its fools.

"pragmatism" and "realism" are the absence of principle that got us into this mess. We have done that dreck for far too long. ENOUGH! We have a Constitution, GO BY IT, and stop going around it.

When did it become passe for some jerk to stand behind a podium and lie to the American people anyway?

It is as if people expect this crap any more, and don't expect to be told the truth. Since when did that become acceptable? If you bought ten gallons of gas and only got eight, or a pound of meat and only got twelve ounces, or a liter of wine and only got 750ml, you'd pitch a fit.
Yet we let our employees (because that's what politicians are) screw us eight ways from Sunday and then reelect them?

Have the American People gone dumber than a post stupid?
If you were cutting those people a paycheck from your business and they were ripping you off like that you'd send them down the road so fast the pavement would catch fire.

EVERY ONE of them promised to repeal the ACA. Trump promised to REPEAL the ACA.

Git 'er done or git gone.