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 Seven weeks after the House of Representatives passed the American Health Care Act, Senate Republicans unveiled their version of the health care bill Thursday. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky released a “discussion draft” at an all-members meeting at 9:30 a.m.

Democratic outrage

The bill’s release follows months of speculation and contentious debate. Ever the dominant issue, health care remains a critical focus for many, as worried Americans swarmed congressional town hall meetings in recent months to voice their outrage.

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Re: Senate Republicans unveil 'discussion draft' of health care bill
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2017, 03:45:53 pm »
The Health 202: Here's what's in the Senate health-care bill
The Washington Post, Jun 22, 2017

Senate GOP leaders are poised to release an Obamacare overhaul that clearly tries to woo the moderate members of their party while also keeping spending in check and giving conservatives a few goodies, too.

Yesterday afternoon, The Health 202 scooped the major details of the draft health-care legislation that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) wants to bring up for a vote next week. Like the House bill passed in May, the Senate version would put big dents in the Affordable Care Act, repealing just about all of its taxes, pulling back on Medicaid expansion and ditching the individual mandate to buy coverage and the employer mandate to offer it.

But the Senate bill contains three elements McConnell is betting will win over a half dozen or so moderates who remain skeptical but whose votes are crucial to overall passage (remember: the majority leader needs only 50 votes since arcane budget rules are being applied to the measure, meaning he can lose just two Republicans). McConnell's draft, hashed out behind closed doors, basically retains Obamacare's insurance subsidy structure -- with just a few tweaks -- takes a gentler approach than the House bill in the short-term to Medicaid expansion, and wouldn't allow states to opt out of key protections for patients with preexisting conditions.

The idea, aides and lobbyists say, is to provide a softer landing for people at lower ends of the income spectrum than under the House bill. That measure based the subsidies only on age and didn't peg them to actual premiums, resulting in estimates of dramatic cost spikes for some Americans and prompting a heavy onslaught of public criticism that spooked many House moderates.

The Senate bill tries to fix that problem -- sort of. Its subsidies closely mirror Obamacare subsidies, which are currently available to Americans earning between 100 percent and 400 percent of the federal poverty level. Starting in 2020, under the Senate bill, this assistance would be capped for those earning up to 350 percent — but anyone below that line could get the subsidies if they’re not eligible for Medicaid. As under the ACA, the subsidies would be pegged to a benchmark insurance plan each year, ensuring that the assistance grows enough over time to keep coverage affordable for customers.

The Senate bill also retains the ACA's protections for patients with preexisting conditions. It eliminates the House bill's pathway for states to lift a ban on insurers from charging people with serious medical conditions higher premiums, which would have been another political hotbed for moderates. It does expand the use of certain "1332 waivers" to give states more flexibility -- a provision that conservatives like Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) wanted -- but those waivers don't open the door to ducking the preexisting protections.

The Senate bill would also provide funding in 2018 and 2019 for extra Obamacare subsidies to insurers to cover the cost-sharing discounts they’re required to give the lowest-income patients. Insurers have been deeply concerned over whether the subsidies will continue, as the Trump administration has refused to say whether it will keep funding them in the long run.


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Re: Senate Republicans unveil 'discussion draft' of health care bill
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2017, 03:56:57 pm »
H. R. 1628 Discussion Draft 

‘‘Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017’’.

https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SENATEHEALTHCARE.pdf

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Re: Senate Republicans unveil 'discussion draft' of health care bill
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2017, 03:59:49 pm »
I will remind everyone that McConnell's re-election campaign featured the slogan "We will repeal ObamaCare ROOT AND BRANCH".

It was just a giant boldfaced LIE.

They never had any intention to repeal it.

Just manage it "better".

Which is apparently the only difference between how Republicans see themselves versus Central Planning Democrats.
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Re: Senate Republicans unveil 'discussion draft' of health care bill
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2017, 04:15:20 pm »
I will remind everyone that McConnell's re-election campaign featured the slogan "We will repeal ObamaCare ROOT AND BRANCH".

It was just a giant boldfaced LIE.

They never had any intention to repeal it.

Just manage it "better".

Which is apparently the only difference between how Republicans see themselves versus Central Planning Democrats.

And lets not forget that Orange Glorious attacked Ted Cruz for calling McConnell a liar.

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Re: Senate Republicans unveil 'discussion draft' of health care bill
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2017, 04:43:42 pm »
I will remind everyone that McConnell's re-election campaign featured the slogan "We will repeal ObamaCare ROOT AND BRANCH".

It was just a giant boldfaced LIE.

They never had any intention to repeal it.

Just manage it "better".

Which is apparently the only difference between how Republicans see themselves versus Central Planning Democrats.

Suckers vote for Republicans.

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Re: Senate Republicans unveil 'discussion draft' of health care bill
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2017, 05:02:57 pm »
I am not surprised.  Seven weeks and this is all that they can come up with? Idiots!  As Cruz stated "Want a Dem-Led Congress? Pass Obamacare Repeal Bill That Doesn’t Repeal Obamacare!"

Don't see this passing anyways. I would almost guarantee you that Cruz, Lee, and Paul won't vote for this and you know that Chucky and crew aren't going to vote in favor either.

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Re: Senate Republicans unveil 'discussion draft' of health care bill
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2017, 05:45:26 pm »
Anything that doesn't repeal the ACA entirely is a failure to deliver on a multi-year promise to remove it "root and branch" by McConnell and his lackeys.

Just dust off the legislation passed in 2015 and put it on the President's desk.
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Re: Senate Republicans unveil 'discussion draft' of health care bill
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2017, 05:51:12 pm »
I will remind everyone that McConnell's re-election campaign featured the slogan "We will repeal ObamaCare ROOT AND BRANCH".

It was just a giant boldfaced LIE.

They never had any intention to repeal it.

Just manage it "better".

Which is apparently the only difference between how Republicans see themselves versus Central Planning Democrats.

Manage the failure.   Yep, that is exactly what the GOP has become now.  Managers of failure and experts at snatching defeat from the ever-shrinking jaws of Republican victory.  2018 is going to be a disaster for the GOP.... as planned by the left and RINOs.

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Re: Senate Republicans unveil 'discussion draft' of health care bill
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2017, 05:52:02 pm »
Anything that doesn't repeal the ACA entirely is a failure to deliver on a multi-year promise to remove it "root and branch" by McConnell and his lackeys.

Just dust off the legislation passed in 2015 and put it on the President's desk.

Absolutely!  And out any republican who refuses to vote for it or sign it into law as a phony once and for all!
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Re: Senate Republicans unveil 'discussion draft' of health care bill
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2017, 05:59:17 pm »
I will remind everyone that McConnell's re-election campaign featured the slogan "We will repeal ObamaCare ROOT AND BRANCH".

It was just a giant boldfaced LIE.

They never had any intention to repeal it.

Just manage it "better".

Which is apparently the only difference between how Republicans see themselves versus Central Planning Democrats.

What difference does that make?  I never trusted McConnell anyway.  This sounds like a bill that ... while far from perfect ... is pretty good and should be passed.
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Re: Senate Republicans unveil 'discussion draft' of health care bill
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2017, 06:01:41 pm »
Manage the failure.   Yep, that is exactly what the GOP has become now.  Managers of failure and experts at snatching defeat from the ever-shrinking jaws of Republican victory.  2018 is going to be a disaster for the GOP.... as planned by the left and RINOs.

This bill may be the best we can do right now.  Right now we have no democrat votes and some squishes on the Republican side. 

As far as 2018 goes, I'm guessing it will go exactly as the two special elections the dems put their hopes and money on went.
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Re: Senate Republicans unveil 'discussion draft' of health care bill
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2017, 06:03:00 pm »
Manage the failure.   Yep, that is exactly what the GOP has become now.  Managers of failure and experts at snatching defeat from the ever-shrinking jaws of Republican victory.  2018 is going to be a disaster for the GOP.... as planned by the left and RINOs.

That is becoming more self-evident as time passes.

We have an oligarchy of Central Planners in D.C. that put letters after their names to create the illusion we have loyal opposition to Socialism.

It does not matter which of these two "parties" is in power - the State simply grows and crushes us and liberty in it's claws.

It's time to start over fresh.  The compact is broken and the system is irrevocably corrupted.
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Re: Senate Republicans unveil 'discussion draft' of health care bill
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2017, 06:04:39 pm »
This bill may be the best we can do right now.

Horseshit!  THEY promised and RAN on the PROMISE to repeal.

If simply performing a shell game and putting their name on ObamaCare "is the best they can do" - then DO NOTHING - and let Obamacare collapse it all as it was intended and revert everything back to the private sector.
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2017, 06:06:40 pm »
This bill may be the best we can do right now.  Right now we have no democrat votes and some squishes on the Republican side. 

As far as 2018 goes, I'm guessing it will go exactly as the two special elections the dems put their hopes and money on went.

Managing failure and trying to limit damage from what turns out to be a blatant lie isn't the best we can do nor is it the best we should expect.
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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2017, 06:07:24 pm »
This bill may be the best we can do right now.  Right now we have no democrat votes and some squishes on the Republican side. 

As far as 2018 goes, I'm guessing it will go exactly as the two special elections the dems put their hopes and money on went.

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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2017, 06:09:35 pm »
The only intelligent voice so far on this entire thread.

Finally come to some self realization I see.  :whistle:
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Re: Senate Republicans unveil 'discussion draft' of health care bill
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2017, 06:11:48 pm »
@INVAR @txradioguy

Both of you mis-read my post.  I didn't say the bill was great.  What I did say was the truth, but apparently you can't handle the truth.
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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2017, 06:12:52 pm »
The only intelligent voice so far on this entire thread.

Thanks.  Too many people would rather whine than get something done.
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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2017, 06:13:48 pm »
This bill may be the best we can do right now.  Right now we have no democrat votes and some squishes on the Republican side. 

Well, four (conservative) Senators have come out against this ... so it's back to negotiations @Emjay    The big question is whether or not they're willing to meet in the middle (per Fox).

I think the most difficult paradigm shift to accept is that government is now in the business of health care.  That's what made Obamacare such a "big effing deal".

In any case, now our elected legislators need to earn their pay and negotiate. 

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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2017, 06:16:03 pm »
Thanks.  Too many people would rather whine than get something done.

Personally I think outing phony republicans is getting something done!  If only they would do it!

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« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2017, 06:16:33 pm »
Well, four (conservative) Senators have come out against this ... so it's back to negotiations @Emjay    The big question is whether or not they're willing to meet in the middle (per Fox).

I think the most difficult paradigm shift to accept is that government is now in the business of health care.  That's what made Obamacare such a "big effing deal".

In any case, now our elected legislators need to earn their pay and negotiate.

Yes!  The conservatives who are against this are right on principle but wrong on reality.  I think this bill needs to be passed.
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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2017, 06:20:41 pm »
@INVAR @txradioguy

Both of you mis-read my post.  I didn't say the bill was great.  What I did say was the truth, but apparently you can't handle the truth.

Didn't misread at all.  You're making excuses for 7 years of the voting public being told that...if given the majority...Congress and the Senate would repeal Obamacare "root and branch".

Now that they are waffling and exposing the fact that they never intended to do what they said they would if we only sent them back to D.C. and despite all the evidence of how much of a drain this POS is on the American economy and on the finances of every single American forced to pay into it...letting us know they have no intention of repealing it...just thinking they can manage the failure better...out come the people making excuses for them with tripe like "it's the best we can hope for" blah blah blah.

It's that kind of weak kneed back tracking ineptitude that allows the Dems to win even when they are in the minority and why the only group of people hated more than child molesters in America are politicians.

This kind of feckless back tracking will be the reason that the GOP loses majorities in the House and Senate during the mid terms.  They didn't learn from W's waffling and weak leadership heading into the 2006 mid terms.  He missed tons of chances to push the Conservative agenda and push back the Dem's Liberal advance and he didn't.  And America paid a price.

But I guess you'd have said back then too that it was "the best we could hope for".

Now Mitch McConnell and the Republicans are about to shaft America again.  They can't beg us to send them back so they can repeal Obamacare...we now know they lied to us and the voters will make them pay at the ballot box unless they do the right thing and get rid of this monstrosity for good.
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Re: Senate Republicans unveil 'discussion draft' of health care bill
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2017, 06:22:19 pm »
This bill may be the best we can do right now.  Right now we have no democrat votes and some squishes on the Republican side. 

As far as 2018 goes, I'm guessing it will go exactly as the two special elections the dems put their hopes and money on went.

Only if..... you buy into the meme that the GOP should now accept their perpetual era of "lowered expectations".   They are supposedly ready and willing to pass this ObamaCareLite crap via the nuclear option..... ie without that majority they supposedly need for a clean repeal bill.  So why the hell can't they come up with and pass a full repeal bill via the nuke option, like they promised voters they would do if and when put in majority control power.   Why?  Because they lied and never intended to do what they promised.  That's what I'm firmly convinced of now.   And the left didn't do it to them.  They did it to themselves.
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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2017, 06:23:15 pm »
Well, four (conservative) Senators have come out against this ... so it's back to negotiations @Emjay    The big question is whether or not they're willing to meet in the middle (per Fox).

I think the most difficult paradigm shift to accept is that government is now in the business of health care.  That's what made Obamacare such a "big effing deal".

In any case, now our elected legislators need to earn their pay and negotiate.

Here's the "deal" they need to agree on right here.  No need to have committee meetings...no need to negotiate or meet in the middle.  The bill has already been written once and approved.

Someone just needs to have the guts to re-introduce it.

H.R.596 - To repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and health care-related provisions in the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, and for other purposes.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/596
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