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Re: Conservatives near revolt on Senate health care negotiations
« Reply #175 on: June 11, 2017, 05:59:18 pm »
Then why hasn't it been solved? Is the New World Order/Illuminati somehow repressing the Truth?
 Your post proves my point. You were sick and COULD pay. Others can't. When you ran out, it was most likely GOVERNMENT that bailed you out. That robust safety net is GOVERNMENT. If you had received your wish, you would still be in screaming pain.
Nope. Medical Bills have a way of getting paid, and more mechanisms exist than ever to get that done. Local charity, crowdfunding sites, doctors willing to write off the debt. Government shouldn't be the robust safety net, it at most should be the last resort.
Involving government only guarantees that medical services will be less efficient, more expensive, and even harder to pay for for everyone. That is moving the ball in the wrong direction. And don't assume government is the safety net, either, because it is easy to fall through the cracks in government programs, too.
 
When people can't pay outright for services, there are ways to set up payment plans.
Local hospitals are often pretty good at working with patients to recoup what might otherwise be a loss for them, and will generally work with the patient to establish some form of getting paid over time rather than take a loss.
Those who can pay, do, but ultimately (and the BIG LIE of Obamacare was that people were turned away and dying in the streets), no one is turned away because they can't pay. Legally, that can't be done for medical necessities.
It doesn't mean you get the Honeymoon Suite, but you'll receive essential treatment.
Fundraisers and Charitable contributions--benefit auctions, dances, and other fundraisers, right down to jars on the counter at convenience stores asking for donations, all help.
Don't knock that. Charitable donations come from private and corporate sources, and even pharmaceutical companies.
Donations of everything from equipment, facilities, cash to keep programs going or underwrite the cost make a difference every day. Few hospitals in this region have not been the recipient of six figures or more worth of equipment or facilities from oil companies or oilfield service companies funding everything from CAT scan equipment to trauma bays. People receive treatment they otherwise could not afford because of programs instituted by Pharma companies to help patients who could not otherwise afford the medication they need.
EMS and Fire services have similarly been recipients of such corporate largesse, and of the donations in cash, services, facilities, and equipment made by individuals and businesses alike. Many EMTs and Firefighters are still very well trained volunteers.

Then there is crowdfunding. If a bunch of liars protesting a pipe in the ground can raise millions of dollars, then a sincere appeal on line, advertised through social media can raise a lot for a kid or others who need medical treatment or help paying the bill. While such appeals don't appeal to everyone, and while there are some who will scam that if they can, the means exists.

Ultimately, what has bailed out other patients who could not pay (what paid the bills) was a combination of raising rates to compensate (much the same as other businesses factor in breakage, spillage, or misallocation of materials when they set their prices), the ability of hospitals to write off bad debt, and selling unpaid accounts to collection agencies for a small fraction of the amount owed. (Collection agencies absorb the risk that they will be able to collect at least a fraction of the debt they buy for a relatively small percentage of the total amount owed).
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Besides a safety net is the last resort for when people can't hang on, not the first line of defense. Every time Government steps in and shoulders people aside, people get less involved, our sense of community suffers, and people become less likely to fix their own problems or help others fix theirs. Stepping away from people taking care of each other more directly is a step in the wrong direction.
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Re: Conservatives near revolt on Senate health care negotiations
« Reply #176 on: June 11, 2017, 06:04:02 pm »
Then why hasn't it been solved? Is the New World Order/Illuminati somehow repressing the Truth?

Nothing so cloak and dagger. There is money in it - BIG bucks for lobbyists, big med, big pharma, and big FED.
It has nothing to do with helping folks or it would be fixed.

You want a good start? Remove the legislation that took the churches out of the game.

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Your post proves my point. You were sick and COULD pay. Others can't. When you ran out, it was most likely GOVERNMENT that bailed you out. That robust safety net is GOVERNMENT. If you had received your wish, you would still be in screaming pain.

Not at all. I have no problem with a safety net... Even a government run safety net, so long as it is state government... So you've made no point at all. And it wasn't the doctors that got me well again either by the way, for all that people laud them... They did me little good at all.

An act of God, and Ojibwa, Salish, and Cheyenne medicine did the trick, along with getting off of processed food and city water. For all the thousands spent, about a hundred and fifty bucks in mountain herbs did more than all the western doctors put together.

And there's your answer.

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Re: Conservatives near revolt on Senate health care negotiations
« Reply #177 on: June 12, 2017, 01:24:02 am »
Fine, I'm all for a roll call vote. Won't change a single vote either way.
Then that is proof positive you do not know politics.
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Re: Conservatives near revolt on Senate health care negotiations
« Reply #178 on: June 12, 2017, 01:47:49 am »
On April 8, 1864, the Senate passed an amendment to abolish slavery. After one unsuccessful vote and extensive legislative maneuvering by the Lincoln administration, the House followed suit on January 31, 1865. The measure was swiftly ratified by nearly all Northern states, along with a sufficient number of border and "reconstructed" Southern states, to cause it to be adopted before the end of the year.
The reconstruction period is an abomination in this country.  It is simply an aberration to conclude that a Southern state which 'voted' during this time was representative of the voters in that state.

I call it a time of 'occupation'.
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Re: Conservatives near revolt on Senate health care negotiations
« Reply #179 on: June 12, 2017, 02:03:04 am »
The reconstruction period is an abomination in this country.  It is simply an aberration to conclude that a Southern state which 'voted' during this time was representative of the voters in that state.

I call it a time of 'occupation'.
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Re: Conservatives near revolt on Senate health care negotiations
« Reply #180 on: June 12, 2017, 04:03:18 am »
The reconstruction period is an abomination in this country.  It is simply an aberration to conclude that a Southern state which 'voted' during this time was representative of the voters in that state.

I call it a time of 'occupation'.
Also why I refer to "Border States" as "Occupied States". Maryland was, and the first hostilities of the war occurred there (outside of Ft. Sumter). Below the Fall Line (Eastern Shore/tidewater, the Western Shore (also tidewater), and Southern Maryland), MD was strongly Southern. Above it, the tendency was for it to be more Northern in sentiment. Considering a 'Reconstructed" legislature was packed with union lackeys, carpetbaggers, or scalywags as a rule, because the locals who had previously been eligible to vote were often rendered unable to do so by virtue of their military service in the Confederate Forces, the results did not represent the actual sentiments of the people.
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Re: Conservatives near revolt on Senate health care negotiations
« Reply #181 on: June 12, 2017, 01:08:50 pm »
Also why I refer to "Border States" as "Occupied States". Maryland was, and the first hostilities of the war occurred there (outside of Ft. Sumter). Below the Fall Line (Eastern Shore/tidewater, the Western Shore (also tidewater), and Southern Maryland), MD was strongly Southern. Above it, the tendency was for it to be more Northern in sentiment. Considering a 'Reconstructed" legislature was packed with union lackeys, carpetbaggers, or scalywags as a rule, because the locals who had previously been eligible to vote were often rendered unable to do so by virtue of their military service in the Confederate Forces, the results did not represent the actual sentiments of the people.

This and your previous post perfectly illustrate why every constitutional amendment passed between 1860 and 1873 needs to be reaffirmed to either make them truly legitimate or gone!
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Re: Conservatives near revolt on Senate health care negotiations
« Reply #182 on: June 12, 2017, 04:20:04 pm »
This and your previous post perfectly illustrate why every constitutional amendment passed between 1860 and 1873 needs to be reaffirmed to either make them truly legitimate or gone!
There's part of a state that got stolen, there, too.
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Re: Conservatives near revolt on Senate health care negotiations
« Reply #183 on: June 12, 2017, 04:56:18 pm »
So you think the Dems that take their place, putting Pelosi and Schumer in the Speaker/Majority Leader positions, will vote for conservative ideas? Do you actually want MORE liberal Supreme Court Justices?

The Republicans you refer to are generally in moderate to liberal districts....so they have little choice but to bear SOME resemblance to their constituencies...you teaching them a lesson won't give us more "truly" conservative reps from those districts in the future. All that will do is give us more Liberal governance, for longer periods of time, with even more radically liberal justices and legislation ensuing. And you think that is a good idea?

Too many conservatives prefer to be backbenchers.  Out of power, unable to influence legislation, but free to beat their chests in self-righteous indignation.

Such folks are worse than useless.  They are directly responsible for the creeping socialism they claim to decry.   
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Re: Conservatives near revolt on Senate health care negotiations
« Reply #184 on: June 12, 2017, 06:13:04 pm »
There's part of a state that got stolen, there, too.

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Re: Conservatives near revolt on Senate health care negotiations
« Reply #185 on: June 12, 2017, 06:31:06 pm »
Too many conservatives prefer to be backbenchers.  Out of power, unable to influence legislation, but free to beat their chests in self-righteous indignation.

Such folks are worse than useless.  They are directly responsible for the creeping socialism they claim to decry.

You are aware that this is a conservative site, are you not?  It may not be the most effective use of your time to come to a place full of conservatives and tell them they are worse than useless backbenchers and responsible for the socialism that you support. Just sayin'.

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Re: Conservatives near revolt on Senate health care negotiations
« Reply #186 on: June 12, 2017, 06:45:42 pm »
You are aware that this is a conservative site, are you not?  It may not be the most effective use of your time to come to a place full of conservatives and tell them they are worse than useless backbenchers and responsible for the socialism that you support. Just sayin'.

Frankly, I'll make the determination as to the effective use of MY time. Every man has a right to his opinions, and Jazz or anyone else can offer theirs.

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Re: Conservatives near revolt on Senate health care negotiations
« Reply #187 on: June 12, 2017, 06:58:46 pm »
You are aware that this is a conservative site, are you not?  It may not be the most effective use of your time to come to a place full of conservatives and tell them they are worse than useless backbenchers and responsible for the socialism that you support. Just sayin'.

Health care is a tough nut to crack now simply because its been too long.

People can beat their chests and demand that obamacare be ended immediately but its no longer that simple. Millions have lost their private and employer provided insurance and millions of jobs have been cut back to part time. On top of this, lots of jobs have been created in the health care and insurance industries. I never thought I would ever work anywhere near health care but I suddenly find myself working as a porter in a building full of neurologists, brain and spinal surgeons. The health care company has expanded from 1 hospital 10 years ago to 8 different buildings in Jackson Michigan alone over the last 10 years.

It was a time bomb set for te republicans who can fix it but need to be damn careful and find a way to make it privately funded without people losing the insurance or jobs.

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Re: Conservatives near revolt on Senate health care negotiations
« Reply #188 on: June 12, 2017, 07:05:59 pm »
Health care is a tough nut to crack now simply because its been too long.

People can beat their chests and demand that obamacare be ended immediately but its no longer that simple. Millions have lost their private and employer provided insurance and millions of jobs have been cut back to part time. On top of this, lots of jobs have been created in the health care and insurance industries. I never thought I would ever work anywhere near health care but I suddenly find myself working as a porter in a building full of neurologists, brain and spinal surgeons. The health care company has expanded from 1 hospital 10 years ago to 8 different buildings in Jackson Michigan alone over the last 10 years.

It was a time bomb set for te republicans who can fix it but need to be damn careful and find a way to make it privately funded without people losing the insurance or jobs.

No, I'm not in the camp that thinks it could be ended immediately.  Do I want it ended immediately?  Yes, but it's probably not possible.  I think it should be phased out over a couple of years, allowing people time to establish their insurance and for insurance companies to ramp up to be able to provide what consumers need/want.

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Re: Conservatives near revolt on Senate health care negotiations
« Reply #189 on: June 12, 2017, 07:06:29 pm »
Frankly, I'll make the determination as to the effective use of MY time. Every man has a right to his opinions, and Jazz or anyone else can offer theirs.

As to the last line, allow me to offer this:

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Re: Conservatives near revolt on Senate health care negotiations
« Reply #190 on: June 12, 2017, 07:16:47 pm »
The reconstruction period is an abomination in this country.  It is simply an aberration to conclude that a Southern state which 'voted' during this time was representative of the voters in that state.

I call it a time of 'occupation'.


This is a point I make every time this topic comes up.   The Southern states that voted for it had the barrel of a gun pointed at their head and they voted for it under duress.   The Northern and border states were bribed and threatened.    Without coercion and bribery,  that amendment would have never passed. 



It is one of the most illegitimately created amendments in the US Constitution.   

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Re: Conservatives near revolt on Senate health care negotiations
« Reply #191 on: June 12, 2017, 07:20:40 pm »

This is a point I make every time this topic comes up.   The Southern states that voted for it had the barrel of a gun pointed at their head and they voted for it under duress.   The Northern and border states were bribed and threatened.    Without coercion and bribery,  that amendment would have never passed. 



It is one of the most illegitimately created amendments in the US Constitution.

And had President Davis and General Lee been the victors you can bet they'd have forced the North with the "barrel of a gun pointed at their head" to accept changes to the Constitution that fit what they wanted to see happen too.
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« Reply #192 on: June 12, 2017, 07:30:58 pm »
And had President Davis and General Lee been the victors you can bet they'd have forced the North with the "barrel of a gun pointed at their head" to accept changes to the Constitution that fit what they wanted to see happen too.

But, they wouldn't have had to - states' rights were already a part of the Constitution.

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« Reply #193 on: June 12, 2017, 07:32:56 pm »
And had President Davis and General Lee been the victors you can bet they'd have forced the North with the "barrel of a gun pointed at their head" to accept changes to the Constitution that fit what they wanted to see happen too.
I bet a million dollars that would not happen.

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Re: Conservatives near revolt on Senate health care negotiations
« Reply #194 on: June 12, 2017, 07:34:32 pm »

This is a point I make every time this topic comes up.   The Southern states that voted for it had the barrel of a gun pointed at their head and they voted for it under duress.   The Northern and border states were bribed and threatened.    Without coercion and bribery,  that amendment would have never passed. 



It is one of the most illegitimately created amendments in the US Constitution.
That gun pointed at them is the reason the South was overwhelmingly a single-party for a hundred years.  Generations passed along the awful treatment imposed on those states.
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« Reply #195 on: June 12, 2017, 07:36:33 pm »
But, they wouldn't have had to - states' rights were already a part of the Constitution.

I get he states rights part.  But the slaves wouldn't have been freed...lets not pretend that the Civil War was at least partially about that.  There would have been no Emancipation Proclamation...or fast forward 100 years no Civil Rights Act or anything of the kind.

Are you saying that had the South won, you'd be fine with slavery still being around...Jim Crow Laws in effect and no Civil Rights Act of 1964 because of States Rights?
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« Reply #196 on: June 12, 2017, 07:37:30 pm »
I get he states rights part.  But the slaves wouldn't have been freed...lets not pretend that the Civil War was at least partially about that.  There would have been no Emancipation Proclamation...or fast forward 100 years no Civil Rights Act or anything of the kind.

Are you saying that had the South won, you'd be fine with slavery still being around...Jim Crow Laws in effect and no Civil Rights Act of 1964 because of States Rights?

Oh, hell no!  Why would you even ask that?

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« Reply #197 on: June 12, 2017, 07:37:52 pm »
I bet a million dollars that would not happen.

Now who wins?

Sucker bet.  To the victor goes the spoils.  The North won.  The Slave Amendments and Reconstruction was the price the CSA paid for a)seceding from the Union and b) losing the war.
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« Reply #198 on: June 12, 2017, 07:40:34 pm »
Oh, hell no!  Why would you even ask that?

Just trying to clarify what you were saying. 

You said that the South wouldn't have put any kind of reparations on the North because of States Rights.
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« Reply #199 on: June 12, 2017, 07:46:02 pm »
And had President Davis and General Lee been the victors you can bet they'd have forced the North with the "barrel of a gun pointed at their head" to accept changes to the Constitution that fit what they wanted to see happen too.
I don't agree. The South fought what, for the most part, was a defensive war. Had intent been to put a gun to the head of the North, Washington would have been taken early on.

The Army of Virginia was only a rowboat ride from the Maryland shore, and Southern Maryland was strong with Southern sentiment. Four people had voted for Lincoln in the county I grew up in, and they were asked to leave. The State had gone to Breckenridge. In the woods, marshes, fields, and Tobacco barns of Charles and St. Mary's Counties, enough troops could have been hidden to take D.C. and leave the Northern forces reeling and politicians running. It would have been a different war had the South fought it as a war of aggression.

 As for Ft. Sumter, Sumter couldn't be allowed, in Northern hands, to control a port harbor, plain and simple, and the Northern forces had to be forced out. That fort couldn't be left in Northern hands any more than New York would have tolerated a Southern garrison and shore batteries in Manhattan.

Lee had graduated form West Point, he knew enough to fight an offensive war if that had been the aim. He doubtless knew the time to fight it was at the beginning while his troops were well supplied and the possibility of capturing additional stores and materiel was good. Waiting only allowed the forces of attrition to work their destruction on his own warfighting capability. The only change in the Constitution they sought for the States in secession was that they be allowed to use their own. YMMV
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