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By Jay Caruso
http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2017/06/03/trump-doesnt-deserve-pass-hes-pissing-off-libs/

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. . . It’s no secret I am not a fan of Donald Trump. Having grown up and lived in the NYC area for over 25
years, I was familiar with Trump before he hit the national stage as a reality show host. I didn’t like him when he
launched his way onto the national political scene with his birtherism, and I continued to dislike him so much I
wrote about conservatives telling him to take a hike back in 2014. I didn’t support him in the primaries, and I
didn’t vote for him in the general election (and no I did not vote for Hillary Clinton).

Now that he is President, I am not all that concerned he’s a Republican as the party is simply not reason enough
for me to give him a pass whenever he does something stupid. I am going to judge him on the merits. What’s
interesting is the criticism I (along with many others in the conservative movement) get for doing so. As if holding
Trump to higher standards than Democrats hold their office-holders is something for which I should be ashamed.
I always thought we should be better than them. To be fair, some Republicans and conservatives reflexively harp
on Donald Trump simply because they don’t like him. Streiff wrote about Jennifer Rubin, a Paris agreement critic
until Donald Trump withdrew from the same agreement. She hasn’t stop railing about it since it happened and
refuses to acknowledge her flip-flop on the issue and so that sort of criticism isn’t helpful because it’s rooted in
a knee-jerk mentality that leaves reason at the door.

That said, much of the criticism Trump receives from me and other like-minded conservatives is fair. The pushback
I often receive strikes me as odd because it doesn’t counter the criticism but instead deflects from the criticism . . .

. . . That some conservatives were defending Trump for the Comey mess because it made Democrats angry is
ridiculous. Democrats freak out about Republican leadership no matter who’s in office. There’s no reason to give
them more bullets so they can reload and keep shooting. If your measure of success is how much Trump angers
Democrats and liberals, then he’s doing great. But the fact that he’s sitting at 40% job approval should give people
a reason to think through their definition of “success.”

Conservatives should demand a higher bar. “Pissing off the libs” and “He’s better than Hillary” is a bar so low,
anybody can reach it. There is a tremendous opportunity for the Republican Party and Donald Trump, and I give
him credit when deserved. His nomination of Neil Gorsuch and his withdrawal from the Paris agreement are two
examples where I agree with him wholeheartedly.

Unfortunately, his impetuousness, inability to deal with criticism, going off half-cocked on Twitter, and inability to
make a cohesive case for his policy decisions is causing damage and he’s losing political capital every day. The
clock is ticking and making liberals angry just isn’t good enough.


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Red State. The rubber room for Trump Derangement Syndrome.

All these dead enders live in a world that doesn't exist and in most cases never did.


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Red State. The rubber room for Trump Derangement Syndrome.

All these dead enders live in a world that doesn't exist and in most cases never did.
I don't see wanting more than pissing off liberals and being the 'not Hillary' is a negative. Perhaps  some people are satisfied with that, but it really doesn't roll back the last 100+ years of socialist agenda making progress in America, it just smugly rests on skimpy laurels for not going further astray.

I must note that not living in a Totalitarian State didn't deter the Liberals and other Leftists from trying to make the US totalitarian, in the spirit of global Socialism. They even co-opted a great number of capitalists by pointing to the fortunes to be made it they'd just bend their knee for the greater good and all that.

Not living in a "Conservative world", a functioning originalist Constitutional Republic, should not deter us from trying to create one, either.

The difference is that Liberals and their fellow travelers move together, and Conservatives not only have to fight Liberals, but all too often their supposedly conservative allies as well to make any progress. Trump has done some good things, now is not the time to quit, and it's time to ensure that those can't be reversed in some Democrat's first 100 days. Sooner or later, that opportunity will come for them, and they'll be ready.
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Red State. The rubber room for Trump Derangement Syndrome.

All these dead enders live in a world that doesn't exist and in most cases never did.

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I don't see wanting more than pissing off liberals and being the 'not Hillary' is a negative. either.


Are there not more accomplishments than these two .... in your opinion @Smokin Joe

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Not living in a "Conservative world", a functioning originalist Constitutional Republic, should not deter us from trying to create one, either.



No problem with that.........but Red State does nothing to create anything. It is a pack of no name bloggers posting high minded whine pieces that do nothing. How many of those people are active in politics? None. How many of those people are working on either a state or national level to get their asses in office? None.

All they do is write bullshit garbage like this (the third in as many months about going against Donny even though he is doing good things) so that their 20 or so McMuffin sycophant readers feel they are actually part of a movement when in reality they are no more important to American politics than the hobo on a park bench breaking wind.

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No problem with that.........but Red State does nothing to create anything. It is a pack of no name bloggers posting high minded whine pieces that do nothing. How many of those people are active in politics? None. How many of those people are working on either a state or national level to get their asses in office? None.

All they do is write bullshit garbage like this (the third in as many months about going against Donny even though he is doing good things) so that their 20 or so McMuffin sycophant readers feel they are actually part of a movement when in reality they are no more important to American politics than the hobo on a park bench breaking wind.

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Are there not more accomplishments than these two .... in your opinion @Smokin Joe
You must hafve had me on "Ignore" all this time if you even ask.  *****rollingeyes*****
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No problem with that.........but Red State does nothing to create anything. It is a pack of no name bloggers posting high minded whine pieces that do nothing. How many of those people are active in politics? None. How many of those people are working on either a state or national level to get their asses in office? None.

All they do is write bullshit garbage like this (the third in as many months about going against Donny even though he is doing good things) so that their 20 or so McMuffin sycophant readers feel they are actually part of a movement when in reality they are no more important to American politics than the hobo on a park bench breaking wind.
I get it. You don't like Red State, so you are slinging word salad poo at them. Perhaps too much roughage, there. You only are attacking the source, but not the content.

That doesn't address the tendency for some folks to act as if he has done enough, and no, @Right_in_Virginia
I won't be satisfied until we're back to a Constitutional Republic as Originally Intended. We have over 100 years of socialist programs, departments, and garbage to excise yet, and just putting the brakes on is a long way from getting this country back where it should be. If you want to know if I'm satisfied, ask me again in November, 2020. It's too early in the game to give an unqualified "yes".
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis

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How many of those people are active in politics? None. How many of those people are working on either a state or national level to get their asses in office? None.
I'm reminded that, among other things, the best baseball writers and broadcasters are those who don't play the game,
and (with extremely few exceptions) the worst are those who have played the game. Not to mention that the best
reporters on organised crime have never once, to my knowledge, participated in or sought membership in an organised
crime family.

I'm also reminded that William F. Buckley, Jr. forged and held a major stake in the public argument---indeed, in the original
coalescing of the modern conservative movement---for over a decade before he was fool enough to run for mayor of New
York City
. I say "fool" not because I demur from his actual intent, entering a race he knew he couldn't win but using that
to deliver a conservative message on a campaign trail designed to repel it, considering the major party candidates---stop me
if you've heard this one before!---weren't even close to conservative candidates.

You don't have to be a politician or office-holder of any stripe, at any level, to be granted a say in the public conversation or
to write effectively about it. Any more than, obviously, you have to be a professional politician to be elected to office. (If you
did, Buckley would have been laughed out of the public conversation when he made his famous in-debate wisecrack about
preferring to be governed by the first five hundred names in the Boston telephone book over the first five hundred professors
of Harvard University---which he made, if I recall reading right, at Harvard, in a debate with the late economist John
Kenneth Galbraith.)

And that's without pondering that government is and has long been the nation's largest organised crime family.
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That doesn't address the tendency for some folks to act as if he has done enough,

I haven't witnessed this tendency @Smokin Joe  I've seen a growing consensus pleased that the President is taking us in the right direction and has some solid and conservative accomplishments.

Thanks for your reply.

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I haven't witnessed this tendency @Smokin Joe  I've seen a growing consensus pleased that the President is taking us in the right direction and has some solid and conservative accomplishments.

Thanks for your reply.

There's no more consensus for that than there is a "scientific consensus" for manmade global warming.  Are there people who find Trump more likable than before?  Sure.  But there is no such consensus. 

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There's no more consensus for that than there is a "scientific consensus" for manmade global warming.  Are there people who find Trump more likable than before?  Sure.  But there is no such consensus.

ZAP!   Wrong again.


Since late in the evening on November 8th, there's been "GROWING" consensus of members who were 'Anti-Trump', that are liking what they're seeing.

Even, to the point of vigorously defending him.

In the meantime, holdouts such as yourself have become caricatures.     

"It aint what you don't know that kills you.  It's what you know that aint so!" ...Theodore Sturgeon

"Journalism is about covering the news.  With a pillow.  Until it stops moving."    - David Burge (Iowahawk)

"It was only a sunny smile, and little it cost in the giving, but like morning light it scattered the night and made the day worth living" F. Scott Fitzgerald

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ZAP!   Wrong again.


Since late in the evening on November 8th, there's been "GROWING" consensus of members who were 'Anti-Trump', that are liking what they're seeing.

Even, to the point of vigorously defending him.

In the meantime, holdouts such as yourself have become caricatures.     



Certainly there's been a growing number of people here and elsewhere who like Trump more than they did before, but that is not a consensus. 

One would think that the word "consensus" would be used a little more gingerly in a forum where the received wisdom of the church of global warming is hotly disputed. 

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I haven't witnessed this tendency @Smokin Joe  I've seen a growing consensus pleased that the President is taking us in the right direction and has some solid and conservative accomplishments.

Thanks for your reply.
You hadn't noticed the many times I have said so when Trump got something right, either. In your case, apparently absence of evidence truly is not evidence of absence.
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ZAP!   Wrong again.


Since late in the evening on November 8th, there's been "GROWING" consensus of members who were 'Anti-Trump', that are liking what they're seeing.

Even, to the point of vigorously defending him.

In the meantime, holdouts such as yourself have become caricatures.   
Him? No. Individual actions of the POTUS, yes. He's batting about .500 imho, but it is early in the season.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis

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Certainly there's been a growing number of people here and elsewhere who like Trump more than they did before, but that is not a consensus. 

One would think that the word "consensus" would be used a little more gingerly in a forum where the received wisdom of the church of global warming is hotly disputed.   

This is why I included the word "growing" @Oceander   

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You don't have to be a politician or office-holder of any stripe, at any level, to be granted a say in the public conversation or
to write effectively about it.

No you don't, but you also don't get carried around on peoples shoulders in a ticker tape parade like a winner when all you did was bitch about not liking a politician. Looking at the political environment and how every single person writing at RS is a loser nobody that no one knows who's generic crank ideas are being ignored I can say quite confidently they are doing whatever they are doing wrong.

Remember that Bill Buckley was a household name, ran for office and had a national platform on both print and TV. He also wrote about solutions and ideas and not a bunch of butt hurt because Goldwater didn't win. 

Let's just look at the genius that is selling this "thinkpiece" that has been recycled every GD time Trump makes ANOTHER great move:

Jay Caruso



Jay is a writer living in the Atlanta area. He founded the blog Pocket Full Of Liberty. Currently, he is a Front Page Contributor for RedState and is a contributor for Opportunity Lives. He has also written for Watchdog.org and Legal Insurrection.

WOW!!! What a career!!! At first blush after reading this fat sack of shits resume it looks as though I can buy and sell this loser, but after digging deeper I see that I was totally correct in my first assessment.

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This is why I included the word "growing" @Oceander   


That still presupposes that there is already a consensus, which there is not.  A "growing consensus" is still a consensus. 

And the fact that his overall approval rating is in the low 40% or so also cuts against the existence of a consensus, growing or otherwise. 

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   #nevertrump is dead, and so is the GOP for some here, get over it Trump Supporters.
    He is the President of all of us now. If he fails, so do we.

No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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No you don't, but you also don't get carried around on peoples shoulders in a ticker tape parade like a winner when all you did was bitch about not liking a politician. Looking at the political environment and how every single person writing at RS is a loser nobody that no one knows who's generic crank ideas are being ignored I can say quite confidently they are doing whatever they are doing wrong.

Remember that Bill Buckley was a household name, ran for office and had a national platform on both print and TV. He also wrote about solutions and ideas and not a bunch of butt hurt because Goldwater didn't win. 

Let's just look at the genius that is selling this "thinkpiece" that has been recycled every GD time Trump makes ANOTHER great move:

Jay Caruso



Jay is a writer living in the Atlanta area. He founded the blog Pocket Full Of Liberty. Currently, he is a Front Page Contributor for RedState and is a contributor for Opportunity Lives. He has also written for Watchdog.org and Legal Insurrection.

WOW!!! What a career!!! At first blush after reading this fat sack of shits resume it looks as though I can buy and sell this loser, but after digging deeper I see that I was totally correct in my first assessment.
Okay, Frank, you have chopped up the source (as if anyone mentions all they have done on any resume--min would take at least four pages, and that doesn't include appendices).

Now what about the substance of what he said?
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C S Lewis

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   #nevertrump is dead, and so is the GOP for some here, get over it Trump Supporters.
    He is the President of all of us now. If he fails, so do we.

 
Precisely.   

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   #nevertrump is dead, and so is the GOP for some here, get over it Trump Supporters.
    He is the President of all of us now. If he fails, so do we.



I'm not holding my breath.  He's doing a damned good job of trying to be a failure. 

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I'm not holding my breath.  He's doing a damned good job of trying to be a failure.

At this point it is a real toss up whether I bother to vote GOP downticket let alone for the trash at the top.