Gingrich: Surrender or fight - our country is at stake

[Rivergirl]

Anyone else remember that during the Clinton impeachment, there was Newtie having extra curricular activities in his office with a woman, NOT his wife??

[Cripplecreek]

Anyone else remember that during the Clinton impeachment, there was Newtie having extra curricular activities in his office with a woman, NOT his wife??

Yeah, he's a degenerate and one of a few who didn't surprise me when he started humping Trump's leg.

[driftdiver]

Anyone else remember that during the Clinton impeachment, there was Newtie having extra curricular activities in his office with a woman, NOT his wife??

I honestly don't care.  Thats between him and his 3 wives (2 exes) and his God.   I care about making lemonade from the mass of lemons we have been handed.

[truth_seeker]

Who's the "we" @geronl ?

In this instance, the "we" are the ones with their heads up their "nevers."

[Bigun]

Anyone else remember that during the Clinton impeachment, there was Newtie having extra curricular activities in his office with a woman, NOT his wife??

And exactly what does that have to do with the words he wrote in the article that is the subject of this thread?  Pray tell!

[Cripplecreek]

There are more credible messengers. I don't need Willie Sutton to denounce bank robbery for me. One
of the reasons things ended up coming to the current mess in the first place was what turned out to
be Gingrich's kind of Congressional leadership.

The real problem is that Gingrich is just saying what he thinks people want to hear. He doesn't actually believe it because that would mean destroying the very system he helped to create and he calls home.

Hitler spoke about the evils of communism while as a socialist he was only about a half step away from communism himself. Sometimes the messenger is a scumbag unworthy of consideration.

[truth_seeker]

The real problem is that Gingrich is just saying what he thinks people want to hear. He doesn't actually believe it because that would mean destroying the very system he helped to create and he calls home.

Hitler spoke about the evils of communism while as a socialist he was only about a half step away from communism himself. Sometimes the messenger is a scumbag unworthy of consideration.

Comparing Gingrich with Hitler? You inability to grasp the difference, stems from having your head up your never.

[Cripplecreek]

Just for kicks, lets see which hypocrites are complaining about the source over here.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,263089.0/topicseen.html

[Right_in_Virginia]

Comparing Gingrich with Hitler? You inability to grasp the difference, stems from having your head up your never.

@truth_seeker

I swear if someone who had just awoken from a 20 year coma found this thread, they'd believe moveon.org was operating under a new name.  We'd be hard-pressed to convince them otherwise.

[truth_seeker]

@truth_seeker

I swear if someone who had just awoken from a 20 year coma found this thread, they'd believe moveon.org was operating under a new name.  We'd be hard-pressed to convince them otherwise.

If they were merely infiltrators, it would be understandable. But they make endless claims about their political cleanliness, infallible morality, keen intellects.

Common characteristic: Total anonymity or strange legends, ages about 30-50, no military, no stated work in political campaign or issues. There are exception, but they are few.

Are they paid pros or not? I make no claim to know. But I do stand by my claim they have their heads up their nevers.

[anubias]

They certainly follow the leftist playbook.

Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. “If your people aren’t having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.”

Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it.

[roamer_1]

From the article...

Republicans must decide if they are going to fight for what they believe in or retreat to the tenuous safety of the beltway bubble.

Well if history is any guide I suspect they'll choose the latter

 If Trump has broken any laws obviously he should be held accountable as no one should be above the law.   But this goes beyond Donald Trump. The elites, especially leftists elites are going to use whatever means necessary to push their agenda on the rest of the country.  As we have seen in the past several weeks they're not even afraid to use violence.  They will punish the country for rejecting them.  I understand  there are more than just a few of us conservatives that are probably not that happy that Donald Trump is in there and wish someone else was .  But the fact is he is the president right now and this is probably the greatest opportunity we have to implement some real reforms if we keep the pressure on.  I have never seen a president that turned the left so discombobulated  as this one. Therefore for that reason alone I will stand behind Donald Trump until it is proven any laws were broken.  Yes I expect to have very many disagreements with  President Trump.  But I will never side with the left wing fanatics who are trying to use any means necessary to overturn a legitimate election. They absolutely cannot win for the  sake of hopefully restoring some sortof a constitutional republic. As the article states, there is no middle ground on this

Not my circus, not my monkey.

[roamer_1]

When Newt said  ...... When your opponents are "among the most dishonest human beings on earth,” “do a tremendous disservice service to the country,” and are “part of the problem," he was talking about you @geronl and your fellow NeverTrumpers that pretend to be conservatives.

Funny, because that's a pretty high horse to be on, considering the blatant dishonesty of the administration, not to mention Congress.

[geronl]

They certainly follow the leftist playbook.

Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. “If your people aren’t having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.”

Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it.

That has been the Trumper playbook since day one.

[Fishrrman]

LMAO wrote (wisely):
"But the fact is he is the president right now and this is probably the greatest opportunity we have to implement some real reforms if we keep the pressure on.  I have never seen a president that turned the left so discombobulated  as this one. Therefore for that reason alone I will stand behind Donald Trump until it is proven any laws were broken."

The reason that the screams of the leftists, the democrat/communists and the media that supports both of them has heightened into a howling crescendo is precisely because Mr. Trump -IS- governing effectively.

The immigration crackdown (actually, enforcement of existing laws);
Decent cabinet-level appointments (particularly at EPA);
Justice Gorsuch;
Regulatory rollback;
Tax reform and reduction (hopefully coming soon);
...the guy is actually doing what he said he would do during the campaign.

The reason the left is so shamelessly desperate to get rid of him by any means possible is because they understand that NO other candidate would have accomplished so much in such a short time -- they (the left) would have easily rolled over a Bush, a Graham, a Rubio, a Kasich, and even a Cruz.

A Republican who actually does (or at least tries to do) what he said he would do is the most dangerous operative in DC today.

Even among fellow Republicans!

[INVAR]

When Newt said  ...... When your opponents are "among the most dishonest human beings on earth,” “do a tremendous disservice service to the country,” and are “part of the problem," he was talking about you @geronl and your fellow NeverTrumpers that pretend to be conservatives.

Okay tough guy - what do you intend to do about it?

[geronl]

Okay tough guy - what do you intend to do about it?

He's going to bravely fight them on the blogs, on the forum, call their radio shows and breathlessly call them names and never give up, never surrender as Mathesar would say (Galaxy Quest reference)

[LMAO]

Not my circus, not my monkey.

This goes beyond Trump himself or even the GOP. Many of those you see rioting and using intimidation tactics and violence ultimately want is to turn the US into a Cuba or Argentina, a "worker's paradise." What is upsetting them is Trump's election is a obstacle  in the road on their way to that. These are people who honestly believe the reason central control doesn't work is because "assholes were in charge of them before"(quoted from and Occupy Wall Street member).

It doesn't matter if it's Trump, Cruz, the ghost of Coolidge or Goldwater. The behaviors you are witnessing from the media and the radical left would be the same

[Bigun]

This goes beyond Trump himself or even the GOP. Many of those you see rioting and using intimidation tactics and violence ultimately want is to turn the US into a Cuba or Argentina, a "worker's paradise." What is upsetting them is Trump's election is a obstacle  in the road on their way to that. These are people who honestly believe the reason central control doesn't work is because "assholes were in charge of them before"(quoted from and Occupy Wall Street member).

It doesn't matter if it's Trump, Cruz, the ghost of Coolidge or Goldwater. The behaviors you are witnessing from the media and the radical left would be the same

@LMAO

You are entirely right and it's a damned shame that so many cannot see what is really going on here!

[Rivergirl]

Do we owe allegiance to someone whose primary behavior shamed the republican party?
No need to delineate the coarse language and vile insults hurled at respectable primary opponents.
The media aided and abetted the candidate to victory and now they are exacting payment.
Well, who would have thought that the msm was going to embrace this president.
Attacking those who feel under siege by this man is laughable.
Those politicians and pundits who willingly embraced this candidate will have to deal with the consequences.
Don't blame those who wanted anyone but DT.

[LMAO]

Do we owe allegiance to someone whose primary behavior shamed the republican party?
No need to delineate the coarse language and vile insults hurled at respectable primary opponents.
The media aided and abetted the candidate to victory and now they are exacting payment.
Well, who would have thought that the msm was going to embrace this president.
Attacking those who feel under siege by this man is laughable.
Those politicians and pundits who willingly embraced this candidate will have to deal with the consequences.
Don't blame those who wanted anyone but DT.

@Rivergirl

Everything you have said is true and I agree. But those you see rioting and demanding impeachment of Trump despite lack of evidence for such a move are not on your side. Like you, I did not vote for Trump and, as a conservative who favors more federalism and a limited, federal government, he wouldn't even be my last choice.

Myself, I'm looking beyond the Trump presidency and even Trump himself.

[Jazzhead]

@Rivergirl

Everything you have said is true and I agree. But those you see rioting and demanding impeachment of Trump despite lack of evidence for such a move are not on your side. Like you, I did not vote for Trump and, as a conservative who favors more federalism and a limited, federal government, he wouldn't even be my last choice.

Myself, I'm looking beyond the Trump presidency and even Trump himself.

This is not about Trump.  It is about the mendacity of his enemies.   It is about a 200-year tradition of the peaceful transition of power being kicked to the curb.   It is about elites prepared to do anything to save their bacon.  It is the swamp fighting back.   

[truth_seeker]

This is not about Trump.  It is about the mendacity of his enemies.   It is about a 200-year tradition of the peaceful transition of power being kicked to the curb.   It is about elites prepared to do anything to save their bacon.  It is the swamp fighting back.

Exactly. This change, whereby huge quantities of media, are used for bad and biased purpose, is a new thing.

Cheering for it, or denying it is wrong. But some usual suspects here, refuse to realize that if Cruz had won, it would have been exactly the same because the media have gone far from truth-telling.

* See recent Harvard media bias study

[XenaLee]

He's going to bravely fight them on the blogs, on the forum, call their radio shows and breathlessly call them names and never give up, never surrender as Mathesar would say (Galaxy Quest reference)

Whereas..... you (and others like you)... are just going to kibitz from the sidelines and from the safety of your armchair in an attempt to whine, moan and bitch Trump out of office?  Yeah.  That'll work.

Meanwhile, you'll abrogate the duty of fighting these ahole leftists in ANY way we can, as freedom-loving Americans. 

Thanks for making that clear (daily).

Thank God the future of this nation does not depend upon your ilk.  (just sayin)

[Rivergirl]

LOLOL.............sorry folks but I remember how the msm went after Richard Nixon in CA for daring to refer to his opponent as the pink lady.  Inferring that she was a communist.
I also remember Nixon saying to the media............You won't have Dick Nixon to kick around anymore.
You all need to grow up and stop whining about DT's opponents in and out of the media.