Trump: I’m victim of 'single greatest witch hunt'

[truth_seeker]

Nice rant...when Trump immolates, your words should keep you warm and cozy.

The stench of weakness, cowardice and desertion are not qualities I value.

But on behalf of some #nevertrumps, feel free to do so if you like.

[Bigun]

We don't disagree much, sir, but on this one we do.

Trump should act like a man.  (Or a strong woman, for that matter).

This kind of victimhood swill is due to his deep liberal roots.

Fight evil with strength, not childishness.  You can't fight a dangerous enemy with tears and a "poor me" complex.

IMHO he is using the only avenue he has to fight back!

[geronl]

IT'S TRUMPERTANTRUM TIME!!

[INVAR]

And that is one point on which we disagree.  While it is true that Trump provides the left ammo for ridicule via some (most?) of his tweets.... I do not see it as him providing the rabid left with "avenues" to attack him.  They are looking for and when not found, creating those avenues out of thin air via this "death by a thousand cuts" campaign of media assault on him.  There is not, to my knowledge at this time, one iota of proof of Trump's wrongdoing in all this mess.  The left is, as always, only too willing to ignore that if/when it's not a gdamned Democrat involved.  They don need no steenken proof then.

I get it that you don't like Trump.  But don't let that cloud your judgment re: what is an ongoing campaign and agenda to reverse the results of last November's election.... just because the rabid left is pissed that they lost.  Just sayin....

This was going to happen regardless of whomever in the GOP won the election.  We have devolved into a Socialist Democracy with the help of presidents, the Courts and Congress.  The majority of the population has no use or want of a limited government - and the GOP has demonstrated they have no intention of limiting it either - only expanding it. This crossroads was going to come because the GOP has placated the Left time and again.  2000 was just the first foreshadowing of what we have arrived at.  The Left thinks they own the right to rule, and the GOP has accommodated that belief by acquiescing to it.

That does not impel me to abandon my judgment regarding Trump or his mobs of supporters that want payback.

I'm somewhat ambivalent to Trump, though less so than I was Obama. I know what Trump is, and I do not expect any service to foundational principles that undergird Conservatism unless it happens by accident. The difference is I do not see Trump as hostile in intention to my liberties as it was under Obama.   However, I spend most of my time shaking my head in incredulity as the sheer stupidity and petulance being displayed via his uncontrollable thumbs.

My assertive issues are largely centered over the reaction to any criticism of Trump by his faithful, because that cuts into my liberty should some of them get their way.  Shaming or attempting to silence criticism via accusations of treason deserves the level of push back being devoted, and it makes those engaged in such efforts no different than those they claim to oppose.  The allegory of noting the similarities of Communists versus Brownshirts back in the Weimar days is not without merit.

That said, Trump is his own worst enemy and he does himself absolutely no favors, and I have no faith that Trump is going to right this ship - because it is not in his character to do so.

I will enjoy being surprised if it does happen.  And I will admit in advance that it will happen without any assistance from me.

[truth_seeker]

Up yours.........where did I ever say desert anything?  I asked a simple question that you orange echobots refuse to answer.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Me desert?   FU.....I have stood as a principled conservative from the begining.

Your version of "principled conservatism," get nowhere if you are always on the sidelines.

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally - not a 20 percent traitor.

Ronald Reagan"

Trump is trying to enact the conservative agenda. Deserters are never satisfied. Wrong battle. Wrong leader. Wrong anything, to avoid commitment and participation.
 

[libertybele]

And Trump is giving them more power by his wimpy whining.

And, if Trump remains silent does that accomplish anything?  The world is watching right now wondering if the militant progressive left is going to win over the will of the people who elected their President through our much acclaimed electoral process.

IMHO the liberals lost and they are the ones whining and are trying to change the outcome of the election; and I might add, by any and every means that they can.

[INVAR]

Trump is trying to enact the conservative agenda.

You are welcome to believe that.

I don't. 

Trump has demonstrated he has no core Conservative principles he is governed by, and due that fact - he is not going risk losing a fight for something he does not actually believe in.

His only motivation is to be seen as a 'winner'.  What that means, I don't know.  His vindictive promise to primary Republicans who do not support him is just another in a long string of actions that feed my lack of belief he will do anything he said he would in terms of Conservative principles in governance.  You can shout 'Grouch'! until your face is blue.  I remain unmoved because I never capitulated to the belief that tilting the SCOTUS was where salvation happens.

If any positive service to Conservative principles happens, I expect it will be largely by accident or in vain effort to placate his base of supporters.

[Bigun]

And, if Trump remains silent does that accomplish anything?  The world is watching right now wondering if the militant progressive left is going to win over the will of the people who elected their President through our much acclaimed electoral process.

IMHO the liberals lost and they are the ones whining and are trying to change the outcome of the election; and I might add, by any and every means that they can.

One need only go back to the G.W. Bush administration to see the result of trying to pacify the leftist media.  Didn't work out well at all.

[XenaLee]

And, if Trump remains silent does that accomplish anything?  The world is watching right now wondering if the militant progressive left is going to win over the will of the people who elected their President through our much acclaimed electoral process.

IMHO the liberals lost and they are the ones whining and are trying to change the outcome of the election; and I might add, by any and every means that they can.

What I find stunning and amazing here is.... that so many that loathe Trump are unwilling to even acknowledge this reality and fact.   I find it hard to believe that Trump hate could evoke such blindness to the current threat to our future and our nation. 

I'm no fan of Trump, but I put what is best for the nation above any and all of that.   And as long as he doesn't veer left and start siding with those same leftists that I detest and that threaten our country as founded, I'll stand behind and support him.  That means recognizing the threat the left represents right now.  And being willing to at least try to combat it. 

[driftdiver]

You are welcome to believe that.

I don't. 

Trump has demonstrated he has no core Conservative principles he is governed by, and due that fact - he is not going risk losing a fight for something he does not actually believe in.

His only motivation is to be seen as a 'winner'.  What that means, I don't know.  His vindictive promise to primary Republicans who do not support him is just another in a long string of actions that feed my lack of belief he will do anything he said he would in terms of Conservative principles in governance.  You can shout 'Grouch'! until your face is blue.  I remain unmoved because I never capitulated to the belief that tilting the SCOTUS was where salvation happens.

If any positive service to Conservative principles happens, I expect it will be largely by accident or in vain effort to placate his base of supporters.

You're approach may make you feel vindicated but it won't accomplish anything.  It wont move the bar one iota.  All it does is alienate people and push them into thinking conservatives are nuts.

[truth_seeker]

You are welcome to believe that.

I don't. 

--firm up national security/defense Reagan
--strengthen our borders campaign promise
--cut taxes for economic growth, jobs Reagan
--Reduce regulations Reagan
--change healthcare campaign promise
--defeat international terrorism campaign promise
--confront DC bureaucracy and special interest lobbies campaign promise

Which parts of that are not conservative?

I doubt you'd be satisfied, even if he read one of your long winded sermons every day.

[txradioguy]

And, if Trump remains silent does that accomplish anything?  The world is watching right now wondering if the militant progressive left is going to win over the will of the people who elected their President through our much acclaimed electoral process.

IMHO the liberals lost and they are the ones whining and are trying to change the outcome of the election; and I might add, by any and every means that they can.

There are other ways to handle this besides paranoid whining or stone cold silence. Problem is...Trump won't listen to any sound advice.

[GrouchoTex]

Xena, we most certainly see and comprehend what is actually being attempted by the Left and the Establishment Oligarchy.  That does not automatically necessitate us jumping into the trenches with the Trump Militant to defend their leader.

We are not blind to the fact that Trump and his people are handing out ammunition to their opposition on a daily basis.  They are chucking hand grenades at all their enemies while forgetting to pull the pin.

Whining about it when you are the person providing them the avenues to exploit is the height of incompetence.

Supporting a general who insists on running right up the middle into fortified positions in just his underwear and armed with only a cellphone is not something we plan on sacrificing ourselves for, especially considering we do not know what it is exactly that he is fighting for.

I agree.
I didn't like it when Obama blamed Bush, either.

[Night Hides Not]

--firm up national security/defense Reagan
--strengthen our borders campaign promise
--cut taxes for economic growth, jobs Reagan
--Reduce regulations Reagan
--change healthcare campaign promise
--defeat international terrorism campaign promise
--confront DC bureaucracy and special interest lobbies campaign promise

Which parts of that are not conservative?

I doubt you'd be satisfied, even if he read one of your long winded sermons every day.

You'd be surprised what Ronald Reagan read, and responded to. I think he would have enjoyed the "long winded sermons" you seem to detest.

As a 17 YO, HS senior, I sent Governor Reagan a letter for a civics class. It was not complimentary of the policy to divert water from the Sacramento River to Southern California...in fact, it was a pretty nasty letter accusing him of paying off his contributors.

Lo and behold, I received his answer a few weeks later. Although it has been lost during my many moves since high school, I will never forget his response...it was vintage Reagan, penned by him and not a staffer. The first sentence started with, "Thank your for your letter, NHN. I always enjoy hearing from young people like you, because your bring great passion and energy to your issues."

He then took the remainder of his letter to explain his reasons for the water-diversion policy.

As I grew older, and saw how he conducted himself as President, I was blessed to have been given a small insight to this great man.

[XenaLee]

There are other ways to handle this besides paranoid whining or stone cold silence. Problem is...Trump won't listen to any sound advice.

What.... other ways?   Please enlighten.   ^-^

[Night Hides Not]

There are other ways to handle this besides paranoid whining or stone cold silence. Problem is...Trump won't listen to any sound advice.

He's said on numerous occasions how he's always the smartest guy in the room, that he knows more than the generals do. Obama was like that, too, but he didn't see the need to constantly inform everyone of that "fact."

[Night Hides Not]

What.... other ways?   Please enlighten.   ^-^

Taking a page from Teddy Roosevelt, he could "tweet softly and carry a big stick."   

[XenaLee]

Taking a page from Teddy Roosevelt, he could "tweet softly and carry a big stick."   

Lol!  Well....according to Donald, during the primary, he already does (ooops!).   

[INVAR]

You're approach may make you feel vindicated but it won't accomplish anything.  It wont move the bar one iota.  All it does is alienate people and push them into thinking conservatives are nuts.

You mean like being called a 'traitor' by the Trump Faithful because we refuse to get on Trump's propaganda train?  That either we support him or we are to be lined up against the wall with the rest of the Left and dealt with - you mean THAT kind of alienation?

If I recall, we have been reminded of late that the principles that I am governed by are no longer principles that can win elections - and so, by that reckoning if adopting principles anathema to mine is where 'winning' is at - I have no intention of helping them move their bar.

They have declared me to be the enemy, and so be it.  They can grab support from the moderates and Left .

[INVAR]

--firm up national security/defense Reagan
--strengthen our borders campaign promise
--cut taxes for economic growth, jobs Reagan
--Reduce regulations Reagan
--change healthcare campaign promise
--defeat international terrorism campaign promise
--confront DC bureaucracy and special interest lobbies campaign promise

Which parts of that are not conservative?

Wake me up if Trump actually accomplishes any of that beyond talking point spin.

Last I looked ObamaCare is still there with attempts to make it the GOP's own still continuing rather than getting rid of it ("On day one").

Cutting taxes appears to be off the table with The Great Turtle exclaiming that the debt cannot sustain any tax cuts, and if there are to be any - they must be 'deficit neutral'.  How is that Conservative?

Tillersons sign-on of UN Climate change is certainly not going to be reducing any ridiculous energy regulations anytime soon.

Using funds to fix 20 miles of existing fence on the border is not exactly what Trump promised to build.

So, that is just observations for starters.  I'm not expecting any of what you wrote to actually make itself manifest beyond rhetoric and sloganeering. 

Do rub it in my face if and when any of those things are actually achieved as presented and promised.

[Wingnut]

Taking a page from Teddy Roosevelt, he could "tweet softly and carry a big stick. shtick "   

fixed it for you!

[txradioguy]

@INVAR
@txradioguy

In his speech to the Coast Guard yesterday, he said this:  "Look at the way I've been treated lately," he continued. "Especially by the media. No politician in history — and I say this with great surety — has been treated worse or more unfairly.

He has whined, complained, all his life that he is special among all of history and is treated unfairly more than anyone in history. 
He finds fault with every single person as he actually believes no one is perfect like he is.  He believes that and that mindset guides him every single day.  He IS special in that his mind is screwed up like none other.

Definitely NOT what those graduates wanted to hear from their CINC at their graduation ceremony.

[musiclady]

Lol!  Well....according to Donald, during the primary, he already does (ooops!).   

 

[musiclady]

Definitely NOT what those graduates wanted to hear from their CINC at their graduation ceremony.

That's because his only association with the military was being shipped off to military school for hitting a music teacher.

(That little factoid made an impression on me.  ^-^ )

He's proving daily that he never grew up.

And a child, as we have seen for the past eight years, is not equipped to be President.

[Polly Ticks]

You'd be surprised what Ronald Reagan read, and responded to. I think he would have enjoyed the "long winded sermons" you seem to detest.

As a 17 YO, HS senior, I sent Governor Reagan a letter for a civics class. It was not complimentary of the policy to divert water from the Sacramento River to Southern California...in fact, it was a pretty nasty letter accusing him of paying off his contributors.

Lo and behold, I received his answer a few weeks later. Although it has been lost during my many moves since high school, I will never forget his response...it was vintage Reagan, penned by him and not a staffer. The first sentence started with, "Thank your for your letter, NHN. I always enjoy hearing from young people like you, because your bring great passion and energy to your issues."

He then took the remainder of his letter to explain his reasons for the water-diversion policy.

As I grew older, and saw how he conducted himself as President, I was blessed to have been given a small insight to this great man.

@Night Hides Not
What a great story/memory!  Thanks for sharing.

[txradioguy]

What.... other ways?   Please enlighten.   ^-^

I've pointed out ways before to better handle the media.  Spicer and others of the WH staff can do off the record backgrounders with certain members of the media to get their message out.

Trump needs to lay off the twitter and stop lobbing grenades at the media...period.

A night time address from the Oval Office talking straight to the people in prime time outlining (without playing the victim card) what he's trying to get done...what the roadblocks have been and what the people can do to help him.

Actually do a couple of things he promised on the campaign trail would be nice. 

There are places like the Washington Times, Fox News, Conservative Review where he and his staff can go to in order to talk around the MSM and talk directly to the people.

But first and foremost he needs to grow up and realize he's not on the Apprentice anymore ...he's The President and act like it.  He needs to stop thinking he's the smartest person in the room and listen to his staff.

[INVAR]

I've pointed out ways before to better handle the media.  Spicer and others of the WH staff can do off the record backgrounders with certain members of the media to get their message out.

Trump needs to lay off the twitter and stop lobbing grenades at the media...period.

A night time address from the Oval Office talking straight to the people in prime time outlining (without playing the victim card) what he's trying to get done...what the roadblocks have been and what the people can do to help him.

Actually do a couple of things he promised on the campaign trail would be nice. 

There are places like the Washington Times, Fox News, Conservative Review where he and his staff can go to in order to talk around the MSM and talk directly to the people.

But first and foremost he needs to grow up and realize he's not on the Apprentice anymore ...he's The President and act like it.  He needs to stop thinking he's the smartest person in the room and listen to his staff.

Agreed.

He would do himself and his Administration great service by simply refusing to engage in petty warfare with detractors and use avenues to simply persuade the people to his cause to get them on his side in supporting an action by pressuring Congress.  He has to explain and sell his ideas and efforts.

That is what Reagan did.

But Trump is no Reagan, not even a shadow.

So I do not expect he will even consider that course of action.

All Trump knows how to do is simply proclaim his ideas the best and demand fealty.

[Right_in_Virginia]

In his speech to the Coast Guard yesterday, he said this:  "Look at the way I've been treated lately," he continued. "Especially by the media. No politician in history — and I say this with great surety — has been treated worse or more unfairly. He has whined, complained, all his life that he is special among all of history and is treated unfairly more than anyone in history. 
He finds fault with every single person as he actually believes no one is perfect like he is.  He believes that and that mindset guides him every single day.  He IS special in that his mind is screwed up like none other.

The President gave a long speech .... and you're either unaware or deliberately ignoring the context of the one quote that is causing your joyful convulsions.    Here is the rest of what he said using himself as an example:

<snip>

Think of the glorious mission that awaits.  You will secure our harbors, our waterways, and our borders.  You will partner with our allies to advance our security interests at home and abroad.  And you will pursue the terrorists, you will stop the drug smugglers, and you will seek to keep out all who would do harm to our country -- all who can never, ever love our country. Together, we have the same mission, and your devotion and dedication makes me truly proud to be your Commander-in-Chief.  (Applause.)  Thank you.

Now, I want to take this opportunity to give you some advice.  Over the course of your life, you will find that things are not always fair.  You will find that things happen to you that you do not deserve and that are not always warranted.  But you have to put your head down and fight, fight, fight.  Never, ever, ever give up.  Things will work out just fine. 

Look at the way I’ve been treated lately -- (laughter) -- especially by the media.  No politician in history -- and I say this with great surety -- has been treated worse or more unfairly.  You can’t let them get you down.  You can’t let the critics and the naysayers get in the way of your dreams.  (Applause.)  I guess that’s why I -- thank you.  I guess that’s why we won. 

Adversity makes you stronger.  Don’t give in.  Don’t back down.  And never stop doing what you know is right.  Nothing worth doing ever, ever, ever came easy.  And the more righteous your right, the more opposition you will face. 

More:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/05/17/remarks-president-trump-united-states-coast-guard-academy-commencement 

@INVAR
@txradioguy
@Night Hides Not
@geronl
( @truth_seeker )

[Night Hides Not]

fixed it for you!

Awesome...thanks!

I see a bumper sticker in there... 

[geronl]

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally - not a 20 percent traitor.
]\

Trump is more on the 20% side than the 80% side.

[Cripplecreek]

Trump is more on the 20% side than the 80% side.

 

[txradioguy]

The President gave a long speech .... and you're either unaware or deliberately ignoring the context of the one quote that is causing your joyful convulsions.    Here is the rest of what he said using himself as an example:

@INVAR
@txradioguy
@Night Hides Not

No one's lying the quote wasn't taken out of context.

But thanks for providing the whole thing...having someone who hangs on his every word is useful in times like this.

The expanded quote just shows even more how no matter where he's at and who he is speaking to...like Barry he has the attitude of "It's all about me".

Oh and he needs to take his own advice about adversity making one stronger.  That bit of advice seems to ring hollow given the fact he's turned around and whinged about being the victim of a witch hunt and complaining endlessly about how unfairly he's being treated.

[anubias]

The President gave a long speech .... and you're either unaware or deliberately ignoring the context of the one quote that is causing your joyful convulsions.    Here is the rest of what he said using himself as an example:

@INVAR
@txradioguy
@Night Hides Not

That doesn't support the narrative of Trump being a whiner @Right_in_Virginia . You are a thread killer.   

 

[Night Hides Not]

Think of the glorious mission that awaits.  You will secure our harbors, our waterways, and our borders.

I have a "glorious mission" for someone near Trump, though it might need to be assigned to the "Impossible Missions Force" (Cinnamon (Barbara Bain) was always my favorite): to secure Trump's twitter account, from POTUS.

Has it been useful to moving Trump's/the Nation's agenda along?

[Night Hides Not]

Trump is more on the 20% side than the 80% side.

Doesn't that depend on what day it is?

[Wingnut]

@Right_in_Virginia . You are a thread killer.   

 

Personally I never killed a thread that did not need killing.....  but riv seems to take a random approach to it! 

[INVAR]

The President gave a long speech .... and you're either unaware or deliberately ignoring the context of the one quote that is causing your joyful convulsions.    Here is the rest of what he said using himself as an example:

It still does not assuage the perception he created.

A Statesman would have said something along the lines of:

"You will find that things happen to you that you do not deserve and that are not always warranted.  But you have to put your head down and fight, fight, fight.  Never, ever, ever give up.  Things will work out just fine.

"I mean, just take a look at how much respect my Administration has been afforded by the mainstream media right now.  Adversity makes you stronger.  Don’t give in.  Don’t back down. ..."

Instead he made it about himself and once again lauded his 'win'.

Notwithstanding his Tweet about being a victim of "the single greatest witch hunt of a politician in American history!”

No ma'am.  Admitting he is a victim is whining.  His speech yesterday that included a shade of his tweet does not impress.   I do not care how anyone wants to spin it.

[Right_in_Virginia]

No one's lying the quote wasn't taken out of context.

Of course you took it out of context @txradioguy .... as you do everything that's reported.  It's the only way you can keep your hate alive. 

[txradioguy]

Of course you took it out of context @txradioguy .... as you do everything that's reported.  It's the only way you can keep your hate alive. 

Do you even know what "out of context" means?

Go look up the term...then get back to me and show me where it was taken out of context.

[Right_in_Virginia]

It still does not assuage the perception he created.

Please, spare us your upcoming dissertation on how it is immoral and unbiblical to "fight, fight, fight and never, ever, ever give up".


@INVAR

[hchutch]

This was going to happen regardless of whomever in the GOP won the election.  We have devolved into a Socialist Democracy with the help of presidents, the Courts and Congress.  The majority of the population has no use or want of a limited government - and the GOP has demonstrated they have no intention of limiting it either - only expanding it. This crossroads was going to come because the GOP has placated the Left time and again.  2000 was just the first foreshadowing of what we have arrived at.  The Left thinks they own the right to rule, and the GOP has accommodated that belief by acquiescing to it.

That does not impel me to abandon my judgment regarding Trump or his mobs of supporters that want payback.

I'm somewhat ambivalent to Trump, though less so than I was Obama. I know what Trump is, and I do not expect any service to foundational principles that undergird Conservatism unless it happens by accident. The difference is I do not see Trump as hostile in intention to my liberties as it was under Obama.   However, I spend most of my time shaking my head in incredulity as the sheer stupidity and petulance being displayed via his uncontrollable thumbs.

My assertive issues are largely centered over the reaction to any criticism of Trump by his faithful, because that cuts into my liberty should some of them get their way.  Shaming or attempting to silence criticism via accusations of treason deserves the level of push back being devoted, and it makes those engaged in such efforts no different than those they claim to oppose.  The allegory of noting the similarities of Communists versus Brownshirts back in the Weimar days is not without merit.

That said, Trump is his own worst enemy and he does himself absolutely no favors, and I have no faith that Trump is going to right this ship - because it is not in his character to do so.

I will enjoy being surprised if it does happen.  And I will admit in advance that it will happen without any assistance from me.

For all of George W. Bush's virtues as a leader, I think he erred greatly in not fighting against the media narrative - and Karl Rove admits this. Trump, for all his faults, is willing to fight the media narrative. Given that the media and the Democrats are carrying out a slow-motion putsch... I'll stick by him.

No, it's not about conservative or liberal. It's now about something bigger than conservatism - it is about the Constitution. Do we still have one, or is it a dead letter when it gets in the way of the "progressive" Left's desires?

Since November 9, the Left has been trying to overturn the results of the election. That must not succeed if we are to have a country left. There is a time and place to debate the wisdom of standing by Trump or nominating him. That will be the 2024 Presidential primaries.

But I'd like those 2024 primaries to be in a country still run by the Constitution, NOT the whims of Tom Perez or the Berkeley Brownshirts and the New York Times editorial board.

[Right_in_Virginia]

That doesn't support the narrative of Trump being a whiner @Right_in_Virginia . You are a thread killer.   

 

I do what I can.   

@anubias

[INVAR]

Please, spare us your upcoming dissertation on how it is immoral and unbiblical to "fight, fight, fight and never, ever, ever give up".

@INVAR

Oh no, I'm not one of those.

I'm all about fighting.

Especially for those things that the Trump faithful have been declared to be foolish, silly, stupid, wrong, intolerant, selfish, unwinnable, archaic, wrongheaded, theocratic and dumb as they pertain to foundational principles and biblical morality that apparently a lot of Trump's followers online have no use for.

But as for Trump here - well, he isn't fighting.

He was whining, given the narrative that Trump himself established yesterday beginning with his tweet about his being a victim of a witch hunt and yesterday's commencement address.

[skeeter]

For all of George W. Bush's virtues as a leader, I think he erred greatly in not fighting against the media narrative - and Karl Rove admits this. Trump, for all his faults, is willing to fight the media narrative. Given that the media and the Democrats are carrying out a slow-motion putsch... I'll stick by him.

No, it's not about conservative or liberal. It's now about something bigger than conservatism - it is about the Constitution. Do we still have one, or is it a dead letter when it gets in the way of the "progressive" Left's desires?

Since November 9, the Left has been trying to overturn the results of the election. That must not succeed if we are to have a country left. There is a time and place to debate the wisdom of standing by Trump or nominating him. That will be the 2024 Presidential primaries.

But I'd like those 2024 primaries to be in a country still run by the Constitution, NOT the whims of Tom Perez or the Berkeley Brownshirts and the New York Times editorial board.

Fully realizing who Trump is since before the primaries and having (for the first time in my life) given a significant amount of money to a campaign, Ted Cruz's, personally I will never lift a finger or utter a single word here or anywhere else if I thought it would encourage, support or otherwise help the establishment, Deep State or whatever you want to call it, overthrow the results of the past election.

My contempt for it far far surpasses anything animosity I have for Donald Trump. Trump may be a self obsessed buffoon or whatever, but he's not trying to enslave me, or dead set on policies that endanger my safety nor the well being of me and my family.

But its clear others don't have as strong a sense of contempt for the ruling elite as some of us do.

[LetsTalk]

Is he wrong? I've never seen anything like it. It's a full-fledged sabotage from the DNC, the MSM, and most disgustingly, traitorous RINOs.

[INVAR]

For all of George W. Bush's virtues as a leader, I think he erred greatly in not fighting against the media narrative - and Karl Rove admits this. Trump, for all his faults, is willing to fight the media narrative. Given that the media and the Democrats are carrying out a slow-motion putsch... I'll stick by him.

I have no problem fighting the media - most of us do it on nearly a full time basis on forums and social media.  But Trump is supposed to be The Statesman of the country - and petty alleyway brawls is not becoming of a leader who is supposed to lead and steer a nation's virtue and appearance before the world.

No, it's not about conservative or liberal. It's now about something bigger than conservatism - it is about the Constitution. Do we still have one, or is it a dead letter when it gets in the way of the "progressive" Left's desires?

Ask the GOP that question.  They are just as complicit.  They certainly pay it lip service while doing nothing to preserve, defend and protect it from what the Left has done to it.  Considering their own desire to grow government, I do not think they have anymore loyalty to limited government as prescribed than the Left does.

Since November 9, the Left has been trying to overturn the results of the election. That must not succeed if we are to have a country left. There is a time and place to debate the wisdom of standing by Trump or nominating him. That will be the 2024 Presidential primaries.

No, no no, no.  I never bought the lie that we had to vote for Trump if we were to have a country left.  I do not buy the lie that we must stand behind Trump if we are to have a country left.  I do not buy the lie that we must wait until 2024 before debating or rendering judgment on the fruits of whether or not Trump has served in the interests of liberty and the Constitution.

That is a dangerous trap I will not walk into.

Salvation for the country does not rest in fealty to a man or a party.

We are either governed by foundational principles in the fear of The Lord, or we will be ruled by the tyranny of men.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Is he wrong? I've never seen anything like it. It's a full-fledged sabotage from the DNC, the MSM, and most disgustingly, traitorous RINOs.

The President is not wrong @LetsTalk

[Free Vulcan]

Is he wrong? I've never seen anything like it. It's a full-fledged sabotage from the DNC, the MSM, and most disgustingly, traitorous RINOs.

No he's not. Maybe could have said it better, then again the media sounds like may have taken it out of context. But the kernel of truth is there.

I didn't vote for Trump and am not his biggest fan, but if he's sticking the knife in the liberals eye at any time, I'm going to cheer him on unless it's a genuinely bad tactical move to do so.

[Jazzhead]

No, it's not about conservative or liberal. It's now about something bigger than conservatism - it is about the Constitution. Do we still have one, or is it a dead letter when it gets in the way of the "progressive" Left's desires?

Since November 9, the Left has been trying to overturn the results of the election. That must not succeed if we are to have a country left. There is a time and place to debate the wisdom of standing by Trump or nominating him. That will be the 2024 Presidential primaries.

But I'd like those 2024 primaries to be in a country still run by the Constitution, NOT the whims of Tom Perez or the Berkeley Brownshirts and the New York Times editorial board.

My sentiments exactly.   Trump's not the issue -  the foundation upon which our Republic rests is at stake.   For over 200 years, we have seen a peaceful transition of power girded by respect for the will of the people as expressed in free and fair elections.    There's plenty to criticize about Donald Trump - but his enemies are the enemies of the nation.   

[geronl]

For all of George W. Bush's virtues as a leader, I think he erred greatly in not fighting against the media narrative - and Karl Rove admits this. Trump, for all his faults, is willing to fight the media narrative.

By whining like a sissy.

No, it's not about conservative or liberal. It's now about something bigger than conservatism - it is about the Constitution. Do we still have one, or is it a dead letter when it gets in the way of the "progressive" Left's desires?

That's where many fervent Trumpists agree with the left, actually. They want Trump as dictator.

Since November 9, the Left has been trying to overturn the results of the election.

Whatever, they can't. It's time and energy wasted. Let them waste it. Trump is the only thing that can bring down Trump.

There is a time and place to debate the wisdom of standing by Trump or nominating him. That will be the 2024 Presidential primaries.

No, it's not. First off, there is 2018, 2020, 2022. Second, we can debate it every time Trump does and says really idiotic things, hourly.

But I'd like those 2024 primaries to be in a country still run by the Constitution, NOT the whims of Tom Perez or the Berkeley Brownshirts and the New York Times editorial board.

The media doesn't run the country. I guess it's a convenient hate target for the Trumpers, though.

All I know is that I have never and will never respect the perv and I will never support him.