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SOURCE: ZERO HEDGE

URL: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-15/1746-american-adults-were-asked-point-out-north-korea-map-was-result


In April 2014, just as the Ukraine conflict (and proxy civil war) was hitting its climax, in the process undermining US-Russian relations for years, some 2,066 Americans were asked to show where the Ukraine was on a map. The result, while leaving something to be desired, was not terrible.



Fast forward to this weekend, when the NYT repeated the same exercise with the latest geopolitical hotspot: North Korea. In an experiment led by Kyle Dropp of Morning Consult, he asked 1,746 American adults to point to where North Korea is on the world map. This was the raw result:



The bottom line: just 36% got it right. Here are the countries they selected:



Aside from showing that the majority of Americans are terrible at geography - hardly news - the NYT provided the following details explaining why the study was conducted: respondents who could correctly identify North Korea tended to view diplomatic and nonmilitary strategies more favorably than those who could not. These strategies included imposing further economic sanctions, increasing pressure on China to influence North Korea and conducting cyberattacks against military targets in North Korea.

They also viewed direct military engagement – in particular, sending ground troops – much less favorably than those who failed to locate North Korea, according to the NYT report. The largest difference between the groups was the simplest: Those who could find North Korea were much more likely to disagree with the proposition that the United States should do nothing about North Korea.

Not surprisingly, education was a major factor in participants’ ability to find North Korea. Those with postgraduate degrees had among the most success; the only ones who did better were people who said they knew someone of Korean ancestry. Those who had visited or been to a foreign country were also much more likely to find North Korea than those who had not.

However what was far more surprising according to the Morning Consult survey, is that on average, Republicans – and Republican men in particular – were more likely to correctly locate North Korea than Democratic men. And Republicans were more likely to be in favor of almost all the diplomatic solutions posed by the researchers. (Women tended to find North Korea at similar rates, regardless of party.)



Which is surprising considering the Democrats' reputations of being more progressive and, at least on paper, seek non-violent problem resolution. As the NYT further adds:

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Geographic knowledge itself may contribute to an increased appreciation of the complexity of geopolitical events. This finding is consistent with – though not identical to – a similar experiment Mr. Dropp, Joshua D. Kertzer and Thomas Zeitzoff conducted in 2014. They asked Americans to identify Ukraine on a map and asked them whether they supported military intervention. The farther a respondent’s guess was from Ukraine, the researchers found, the more likely he or she was to favor military intervention.

Perhaps there is another reason: Ameriacns simply don't care. Be that as it may, Americans’ relatively low interest in North Korea is not recroprical. “North Koreans are obsessed with the United States,” wrote Barbara Demick, the former Beijing bureau chief for The Los Angeles Times, in an interview with the New Yorker.

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“They hold the U.S. responsible for the division of the Korean peninsula and seem to believe that U.S. foreign policy since the mid-20th century has revolved around the single-minded goal” of damaging them, she said. “The cruelest thing you can do is tell a North Korean that many Americans couldn’t locate North Korea on a map.”

In any case, the bottom line is clear: "Americans’ inability to identify countries and places is not new. A Roper survey in 2006 found that, in the midst of the Iraq war, six in 10 young adults could not locate Iraq on a map of the Middle East; about 75 percent could not identify Iran or Israel; and only half could identify New York state."

As for North Korea, with just 36% of respondents being able to identify North Korea - and seek a diplomatic solution - it implies that roughly two-thirds of American adults would rather take the Kim regime out entirely. Which hardly bodes well for the longevity of  the North Korean dictator.








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it implies that roughly two-thirds of American adults would rather take the Kim regime out entirely. Which hardly bodes well for the longevity of  the North Korean dictator.

No, it doesn't. The author is assuming that.

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I have long been appalled at the ignorance of Americans, but this study really takes the cake. 

No wonder we elected Obama twice and almost elected Hillary (and also threw a really good GOP candidate to the curb).

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Frankly I don't buy it.

I'm one of those ignernt flyover country types and I know damn well where NK is.

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I wonder how many NKs could point to America on a map?

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I wonder how many NKs could point to America on a map?

Probably all of them since they spend their lives being indoctrinated against us.

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I wonder how many NKs could point to America on a map?
How many NK's own world maps?
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Probably all of them since they spend their lives being indoctrinated against us.

I'll bet not.  I'll bet that they would be shocked at the size of the US for one thing, particularly in relation to the size of NK.  Or, pretty much any other country in the world compared to NK. 

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I wonder how many NKs could point to America on a map?

Interesting question--especially when we notice that your question might be read as ultimately insinuating that Americans just might be as ignorant as North Koreans! 

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I'll bet not.  I'll bet that they would be shocked at the size of the US for one thing, particularly in relation to the size of NK.  Or, pretty much any other country in the world compared to NK.

True. Looking at pics of NK anti American propaganda and I don't see any maps. Just target pics of American presidents and soldiers, Americans shooting NK children etc.

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I guess we don't have to worry about a future NORK ICBM finding us then.

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Interesting question--especially when we notice that your question might be read as ultimately insinuating that Americans just might be as ignorant as North Koreans!

Different kinds of propagandization I guess.

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I received the same education that most did as a child of my generation.  I learned Geography by coloring countries with map pencils.  I had no interest and enjoyed the coloring as opposed to learning the countries.  As we were never tested, it did not matter to me as all I cared about was my grades.  If no test, it was filed in garbage of things not to be remembered.

When I was in my early twenties, I had the chance to travel to the Far East.  My Dad dragged out his globe and showed me where I was going as I had no clue.  I remember being shocked that it was so close to the U.S.S.R.  My Dad bought me a globe and I did eventually learn geography on my own with that globe.  I consider the lack of geography education of this country to be due to the trend that learning dates and where places are located archaic and too much for children to have to learn.  I used that same globe my Dad gave me to teach my children at the age of five to be able to point out various countries.  It was a fun game that they loved.  Their little sponge brains absorbed it all quickly and easily.

Our public education system is only part of the problem.  Parents should take a more active role in educating their children.  Not doing so because we're tired, lazy, or whatever reason we manufacture leaves our children at a disadvantage.  If all parents would set aside 30 minutes every day to play a learning game with their children, I believe this country wouldn't be full of demwits in need of safe spaces now.

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I received the same education that most did as a child of my generation.  I learned Geography by coloring countries with map pencils.  I had no interest and enjoyed the coloring as opposed to learning the countries.  As we were never tested, it did not matter to me as all I cared about was my grades.  If no test, it was filed in garbage of things not to be remembered.
When I was in the 5th grade (1961-62), we had to learn all of the countries and capitals in the Western Hemisphere, plus all of the states and provinces and their capitals in the U.S. and Canada.  We got tested on this stuff.   When I was in the 6th grade, we had to learn all of the countries and capitals in the Eastern Hemisphere.  (I remember being tested on this material.)

When I was in the 4th grade, we even had to learn the differences between Socialism and full-blown Communism.  As I can now recall pretty clearly, the information was accurate, and it definitely made a big, lifelong impression on me.  (Gee, that sort of "Social Studies" discussion never comes up in public schools anymore, does it?)

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You would be hard pressed to get them to name all 57 US States with better accuracy.

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You would be hard pressed to get them to name all 57 US States with better accuracy.

Hey, at least the guys and gals I went to school with would have noticed something wrong with calling a medic a "Navy Corpse-man."  (For that matter, I do not believe either of these infamous "slips of the tongue" by Obama were really blunders on his part.  I believe he was making private, narcissistic jokes in both cases.)

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When I was in the 5th grade (1961-62), we had to learn all of the countries and capitals in the Western Hemisphere, plus all of the states and provinces and their capitals in the U.S. and Canada.  We got tested on this stuff.   When I was in the 6th grade, we had to learn all of the countries and capitals in the Eastern Hemisphere.  (I remember being tested on this material.)

When I was in the 4th grade, we even had to learn the differences between Socialism and full-blown Communism.  As I can now recall pretty clearly, the information was accurate, and it definitely made a big, lifelong impression on me.  (Gee, that sort of "Social Studies" discussion never comes up in public schools anymore, does it?)

No it does not and that is a big problem imo.  I didn't mean to sound preachy in my previous post, but I was trying to say that as long as the Libs are running our education system and there are those that can't afford private school, parents can supplement their child's education.  My father supplemented mine.  He just didn't realize that we weren't really learning all those colored maps we brought home for him to sign off on every week.  He was stunned that I didn't need to learn, "Columbus sailed the ocean blue in fourteen-ninety-two." as learning dates were no longer en vogue.  He did make me learn some of them, but nothing close to the education he received as a child.  My education was much stronger than what my kids received and theirs is stronger than my grandkids.  We're spiraling south fast.

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My education was much stronger than what my kids received and theirs is stronger than my grandkids.  We're spiraling south fast.

The biggest shocker for me in this regard was seeing what 8th graders had to read in McGuffey's Reader in the late 1800s and then going on to see the entrance exam for Cornell in the same timeframe.  (For starters, see https://ithacavoice.com/2015/03/done-cornells-1891-entrance-exam/

I read through the entire test when I saw it linked from TOS, and I was flabbergasted.