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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #100 on: May 09, 2017, 07:01:52 pm »
Again, it was ruled constitutional. I highly doubt we are going to get full repeal out of the Senate. Mandates and taxes equal cost, anyway you look at it.  Illegals and supporting those that abuse the system have skyrocketed costs.
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With all due respect, libertybele, Plessy vs. Ferguson and Dred Scott were ruled on by the Supreme Court and passed.

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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #101 on: May 09, 2017, 08:21:24 pm »
The ACA burdened some of us;  it was a godsend to others.   There were winners and losers under the pre-ACA system,  different winners and losers under the ACA, and still different winners and losers under the House bill.   Do you think the pre-ACA system was fairer?   Or doesn't fairness enter into it?     

LB - just who in your view should be paying the cost of care for the sickest among us?

To defend this is nothing short of idiocy.
It simply isn't sustainable. It is far less sustainable than what we had before.
To wit: If Republicans do nothing at all, the ACA will implode. That is how very unsustainable it is, not even a decade from it's evil inception...

The middle class cannot maintain mandated, useless insurance, with sky-high costs. it's not that they simply won't do it, which ought to be enough. They CAN'T DO IT. All you've done is take away insurance from the very people who are PAYING for it.

The sickest among us WERE ALREADY COVERED by Medicaid. I know, because I was one. Long term, undiagnosed, uninsurable. All that meant was that I had to lose all my stuff (other than my house and one car), and then the whole thing was covered carte blanche. ALL of it, FREE to me.

So stop pulling that ridiculous bullshit sympathy card. If you are ill and dying, and not receiving health care in the United States, it is only because you don't want to receive it. I am no proponent of welfare or medicaid, especially having experienced them, but to throw dirt in the air, and say folks are dying from lack of being able to receive health care, is nothing but a damn lie.

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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #102 on: May 09, 2017, 08:26:19 pm »
To defend this is nothing short of idiocy.
It simply isn't sustainable. It is far less sustainable than what we had before.
To wit: If Republicans do nothing at all, the ACA will implode. That is how very unsustainable it is, not even a decade from it's evil inception...

The middle class cannot maintain mandated, useless insurance, with sky-high costs. it's not that they simply won't do it, which ought to be enough. They CAN'T DO IT. All you've done is take away insurance from the very people who are PAYING for it.

The sickest among us WERE ALREADY COVERED by Medicaid. I know, because I was one. Long term, undiagnosed, uninsurable. All that meant was that I had to lose all my stuff (other than my house and one car), and then the whole thing was covered carte blanche. ALL of it, FREE to me.

So stop pulling that ridiculous bullshit sympathy card. If you are ill and dying, and not receiving health care in the United States, it is only because you don't want to receive it. I am no proponent of welfare or medicaid, especially having experienced them, but to throw dirt in the air, and say folks are dying from lack of being able to receive health care, is nothing but a damn lie.

Thank you, @roamer_1.

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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #103 on: May 09, 2017, 09:38:00 pm »
So it's fake news. Got it.

Setting aside the other links on this thread citing Cruz's strong efforts to swing votes in favor of the House bill, why would Hannity reporting on his conversation with Cruz be "fake news"? Has Cruz come out to refute what Hannity says, or has he continued to do interviews and have discussions with Hannity? You are doing little more than hoping Cruz is opposing this, when its crystal clear he actually fought for the bill...and to his credit, will continue to fight to pass a Senate version. I'm no Cruz fan...ditto for Rand Paul...but both have shown tremendous common sense and an impressive ability to follow the Reagan Rule (take 80% of what you wanted in a bill as a big win). Kudos to both men. Your unwillingness to acknowledge what they are clearly doing in support of the House bill...is peculiar.
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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #104 on: May 09, 2017, 09:49:31 pm »
Setting aside the other links on this thread citing Cruz's strong efforts to swing votes in favor of the House bill, why would Hannity reporting on his conversation with Cruz be "fake news"? Has Cruz come out to refute what Hannity says, or has he continued to do interviews and have discussions with Hannity? You are doing little more than hoping Cruz is opposing this, when its crystal clear he actually fought for the bill...and to his credit, will continue to fight to pass a Senate version. I'm no Cruz fan...ditto for Rand Paul...but both have shown tremendous common sense and an impressive ability to follow the Reagan Rule (take 80% of what you wanted in a bill as a big win). Kudos to both men. Your unwillingness to acknowledge what they are clearly doing in support of the House bill...is peculiar.

  I know @Mesaclone that you were responding to @txradioguy but it seems (old cliché) you're missing the forest for the trees, The bill had to get out of the House before the Senators could so ANYTHING, just as Pelosi sent the VA health care bill over to Reid, knowing it would become the ACA through Reconciliation and sheer brute force, Louisiana Purchase, Cornhusker kickback etc....   
  It's time for the Senate Republicans to show if they have any cajoles.  I'm not optimistic.
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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #105 on: May 09, 2017, 10:43:57 pm »
Too bad the House didn't pass a repeal. I guess he's right. That last bill was catastrophic. Thanks for confirming that.

Maybe, but Ted Cruz never described it that way.
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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #106 on: May 09, 2017, 10:47:02 pm »
Sorry, but after seven years the total repeal toothpaste is not going back in the tube.   :shrug:

Not when you have so many people thinking Jimmy Kimmel is a political maven and that the government should provide health care for all.

He suggests more taxes on millionaires like himself.  And .... he isn't even funny.
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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #107 on: May 09, 2017, 10:49:27 pm »
Well, you know....Ted's just another one of those tree huggin' liberals.

Too many are arguing semantics...repeal...not repeal. The truth is, this bill changes the entire nature of what Obamacare was and is...the biggest beef most had with it was that it had mandates, it literally forced people into buying insurance whether they wished to or not. This was unprecedented government overreach...and it has now been repealed. The bill rolled back numerous other objectionable aspects of Obamacare as well. So while YOU may not consider it repeal, it is in every sense of the word a repeal of the very heart of the law we all hated and fought to rid ourselves of....and Trump has kept his word from the campaign with this legislation.

So call it what you will, it is a promise kept. Smart guys like Ted Cruz understand this, and so understand just how important this legislation is...for both the country, and secondarily for the conservative movement. So, maybe...just maybe...you should listen to a man like Cruz, admitted even by his opponents to be something of a legal guru, when he says this repeal bill is critical to our future. And that it represents the best of what was possible.

You are correct.  It did free us from being forced to buy insurance whether we wanted it or not or needed it or not.

You could call that half a loaf or just a crumb but it is something.

Way too many people in hysterics around here.
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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #108 on: May 09, 2017, 10:53:02 pm »
Not when you have so many people thinking Jimmy Kimmel is a political maven and that the government should provide health care for all.

He suggests more taxes on millionaires like himself.  And .... he isn't even funny.

Absurdity.
The free market is driven by risk.
Remove the risk, and you literally remove the prosperity.
By the numbers, by the very nature, 'health care for all' is antithetical to prosperity.
Following Europe down this path is utterly insane.

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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #109 on: May 10, 2017, 01:11:47 am »
Absurdity.
The free market is driven by risk.
Remove the risk, and you literally remove the prosperity.
By the numbers, by the very nature, 'health care for all' is antithetical to prosperity.
Following Europe down this path is utterly insane.

People can see socialism fail miserably over and over again and yet they still want to try it for us.
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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #110 on: May 10, 2017, 09:16:53 am »
People can see socialism fail miserably over and over again and yet they still want to try it for us.

Sadly it's not just the Dems that have this mindset these days.
The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #111 on: May 10, 2017, 11:31:53 am »
Sadly it's not just the Dems that have this mindset these days.

No, it's not just the dems these days.