Say what? Trump praises Australia’s universal health care

[INVAR]

We're NOT Australia and we're broke to the tune of tens of TRILLIONS.

[mirraflake]

I am in the health care biz..Time for medicare for all paid via payroll taxes. Run it just like Medicare with Medicare and dru7g supplements that cover the small stuff.

The new HC plan is a disaster. Insurance companies( I work for them)  are going to cut pre existing and place those people in high risk pools. If you have PE wait until you get your monthly premium of $1500+ per person when you are  placed in the high risk pool

Older peoples premiums are going to sky rocket. HC is causing our business to be uncompetitive.

The only people who say HC is not a right are healthy people and people on the fringe or people with the very best gov't health care. I have never met a person who has come down with a dreaded disease or their close family member, say their 5 year old daughter say HC is not a right.

Matter of fact ask any nurse. People with no health insurance are the very most demanding in the hospital and want the most expensive treatment to be available for them.

[mirraflake]

We're NOT Australia and we're broke to the tune of tens of TRILLIONS.

Medicare for all and have it paid via payroll tax. The 20 million uninsured will no longer be on the gravy train and have other people pay for their illness or accident when they wind up in the hospital and then declare bankruptcy.

@INVAR

[SirLinksALot]

Medicare for all and have it paid via payroll tax. The 20 million uninsured will no longer be on the gravy train and have other people pay for their illness or accident when they wind up in the hospital and then declare bankruptcy.

@INVAR

So, essentially, Medicare for all ( a concept proposed by Bernie Sanders ), since payroll taxes are used to pay for it will mean that:

1) Our payroll taxes go UP even more ( since Medicare today is only for Seniors ).

2) The employed essentially pay for the healthcare of the unemployed.

3) What happens to Medicaid? ( which is for the poor ). Does it all get lumped in to an all-encompassing Medicare?

4) Isn't this essentially single-payer, since Doctors will be reimbursed by the government? ( how's that working out for the UK and Canada ?)

[Silver Pines]

@Frank Cannon

I eff almost everyday

[Silver Pines]

Yes, he 'could' instruct the House to construct a bill that fulfills the promise made to voters, ie full repeal.  He could also ask for the same bill presented to Obama more than once, which Obama vetoed, to be put on his desk for signature.  The question you have to ask yourself .... IF you believe that Trump was sincere when promising a full repeal of ObamaCare.... is why doesn't he do one of those two options?  Because he's good with government-run healthcare (and everything else).... apparently.

Yes.  Also, he just wants a win, so some applause and a ceremony on the White House lawn, and he's good. 

[XenaLee]

Yes.  Also, he just wants a win, so some applause and a ceremony on the White House lawn, and he's good.

Even if/when a temporary "win for Trump" is not a "win for Americans", temporary or otherwise.  And a lurch back to the left is definitely a loss for Americans and a betrayal of the voters that put him and them into control.   

[ABX]

Sure, let's expand Medicare to everyone. (I can't believe Conservatives are now considering what is in all but name, socialized medicine).



Hospitals are already being hit hard with lack of Medicare payments and many doctors are starting to refuse to take Medicare at all due to reimbursement rates (and several Democrats have proposed bills to force doctors to take Medicare).

[INVAR]

So, essentially, Medicare for all ( a concept proposed by Bernie Sanders ), since payroll taxes are used to pay for it will mean that:

1) Our payroll taxes go UP even more ( since Medicare today is only for Seniors ).

2) The employed essentially pay for the healthcare of the unemployed.

3) What happens to Medicaid? ( which is for the poor ). Does it all get lumped in to an all-encompassing Medicare?

4) Isn't this essentially single-payer, since Doctors will be reimbursed by the government? ( how's that working out for the UK and Canada ?)

That is exactly what that is - and we just go belly-up in freewill economic collapse of crushing debt a hundred and fifty times faster than if we will if we do nothing at all.

If no one failed to notice - Medicare and Medicaid ARE BROKE.

[ABX]

Even if/when a temporary "win for Trump" is not a "win for Americans", temporary or otherwise.  And a lurch back to the left is definitely a loss for Americans and a betrayal of the voters that put him and them into control.

Here is the problem when it becomes a team sport versus standing for your values. Victory is defined by scoring points against the other guy, not by standing up for the values you believe in. It is almost to the point some on our side could take any Democrat bill, sponsor it ourselves, and is long as we pass it and the Democrats put on a big show of opposing it, many on our side will cheer. 

[geronl]

If Kennedy wants to step down now I have to assume its because he knows he won't be replaced by an "extremist" right winger.

Kennedy or Ginsburg are very old, they might not have to step down but just fall down.

[geronl]

So, essentially, Medicare for all ( a concept proposed by Bernie Sanders ), since payroll taxes are used to pay for it will mean that:

wasn't it Trump that mentioned "Medicare for the Middle Class"?

[Cripplecreek]

Here is the problem when it becomes a team sport versus standing for your values. Victory is defined by scoring points against the other guy, not by standing up for the values you believe in. It is almost to the point some on our side could take any Democrat bill, sponsor it ourselves, and is long as we pass it and the Democrats put on a big show of opposing it, many on our side will cheer.

In a sport, who wins or loses doesn't have dramatic effects on the lives of fans.

[XenaLee]

Here is the problem when it becomes a team sport versus standing for your values. Victory is defined by scoring points against the other guy, not by standing up for the values you believe in. It is almost to the point some on our side could take any Democrat bill, sponsor it ourselves, and is long as we pass it and the Democrats put on a big show of opposing it, many on our side will cheer.

Problem is.... if they're on "our" side, then they must be retards.... since any bill the Democrats put out there is always pushing more big-government socialism.   Either retards .... or not really on "our" side. 

[Idiot]

No. Just hostile to stupid people. I eff almost everyday and I am a regular poster with the chicks on the FLOTUS thread. Probably the only male regularly posting there.

Is that your pic in your avatar?  Your surgery came out much better than Jenner's.   

[musiclady]

Infancy of single payer was medicare IMO. Once we got that, single payer was an inevitability.

I'll never forget how loudly my Dad yelled about socialized medicine when Medicare passed.

In retrospect, he was 100% right........ and so are you.

It was the beginning of the end.


As for Trump, he wants socialized medicine.  He wants single payer.  Why should anyone be surprised by ANYthing he says??

[libertybele]

I'll never forget how loudly my Dad yelled about socialized medicine when Medicare passed.

In retrospect, he was 100% right........ and so are you.

It was the beginning of the end.


As for Trump, he wants socialized medicine.  He wants single payer.  Why should anyone be surprised by ANYthing he says??

If you want health insurance after your turn 65 years of age; you have to sign up for Medicare.  What's wrong with that picture?

[libertybele]

That is exactly what that is - and we just go belly-up in freewill economic collapse of crushing debt a hundred and fifty times faster than if we will if we do nothing at all.

If no one failed to notice - Medicare and Medicaid ARE BROKE.

All the 'perks, entitlements and regulations' created under LBJ's Great Society, NAFTA and currently the ACA have all had an enormous negative impact on our economy. Liberalism hasn't worked in the past and sure as heck isn't working today.  To think that it will work in the future is sheer lunacy.

[SirLinksALot]

If you want health insurance after your turn 65 years of age; you have to sign up for Medicare.  What's wrong with that picture?

Nothing, except for one inconvenient fact --- MEDICARE (if  we continue on this path ) is on each way to bankruptcy. It will be there when you are close to 65. But what if you're 40? Can you still guarantee that it will be there for you?

[Frank Cannon]

Is that your pic in your avatar?  Your surgery came out much better than Jenner's.   

How dare you besmirch the great Lynda Carter by even hinting she looks like a tranny. A pox on your house good sir.

[DiogenesLamp]

We're NOT Australia and we're broke to the tune of tens of TRILLIONS.

I have often read that unfunded liabilities for this country are over 100 trillion dollars. 

[corbe]

How dare you besmirch the great Lynda Carter by even hinting she looks like a tranny. A pox on your house good sir.

   She throws better than obummer must be those chest muscles @Frank Cannon

[Frank Cannon]

   She throws better than obummer must be those chest muscles @Frank Cannon

She knows how to handle a shaft.

[corbe]

  Yes, I'd love to see her chunk one of these, @Frank Cannon

[libertybele]

Nothing, except for one inconvenient fact --- MEDICARE (if  we continue on this path ) is on each way to bankruptcy. It will be there when you are close to 65. But what if you're 40? Can you still guarantee that it will be there for you?

There definitely aren't any guarantees.  But in the same light, if you have your own health insurance and want to work past 65 ... it doesn't matter ... you still have to jump on to Medicare...which is ridiculous and a small part of the problem. 

I absolutely understand where you're coming from, but people have had Medicare premiums taken out of their paychecks since they began working. Mismanagement of funds, fraud and giving Medicare to non-citizens is a chunk of the problem as well.

It is benefits given to illegals and those who abuse the system that has caused the enormous drain. Yes, I'm also referring to Medicaid as well as both are broke.  Case in point; a listener called into talk radio and stated that she was a nurse and has seen people with 3 and 4 Medicaid cards and every 30 days, people are eligible for a 'review' of their eligibility and the system rarely catches up with them.