Students Demand Christian University Embrace ‘Gender Identity’ Theory

[rangerrebew]

Students Demand Christian University Embrace ‘Gender Identity’ Theory
 
Amber Randall
11:42 AM 04/27/2017
 
 

Seattle Pacific University (SPU) students held a protest last week against their Christian university’s decision to view sexuality through a biblical perspective.

SPU Haven, a club acting as a safe space for gay students, put up posters against their university’s biblical views on human sexuality as a part of the “Day of Silence,” reports the College Fix.

The “Day of Silence” is a national event hosted by college and high school students to show how bullying affects the gay community.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/27/students-demand-christian-university-embrace-gender-identity-theory/#ixzz4fXk8ANFF

[geronl]

They should go to college elsewhere

[Smokin Joe]

The war on Christianity continues...

[Jazzhead]

The war on Christianity continues...

That is, if you consider a peaceful protest a "war".   

[Smokin Joe]

That is, if you consider a peaceful protest a "war".

It's all part of the same movement, Jazzy. Lawsuits are "peaceful", too, but destructive, nonetheless. Just because it isn't down to shooting, doesn't mean it isn't a war.

[Jazzhead]

It's all part of the same movement, Jazzy. Lawsuits are "peaceful", too, but destructive, nonetheless. Just because it isn't down to shooting, doesn't mean it isn't a war.

Huh?   This was a peaceful protest, not a lawsuit.   I actually clicked on the article a second time, wondering if I'd missed something about a lawsuit.  Nope, just a bunch of posters and a "day of silence".

I'm puzzled why so many Christians insist on adopting the same victim meme as the left.   There is no "war" on Christianity (at least not in this country;  I'll grant you things aren't so great for the faithful in, say, Egypt and Syria).   To inflate peaceful protests like this as "war" on Christians comes across as whining.   Free speech is the value that must be defended, whether exercised by Anne Coulter or gay students at SPU.   

  There ARE gays at SPU,  like everywhere else,  and like folks everywhere else,  they seek respect for who they are.   Christians deservedly draw criticism when they fixate and obsess over homosexuality when the real problems are infidelity, promiscuity, divorce and the breakdown of families.    Two gays living together hurts no one.   Straights who divorce, or procreate without marrying their partners,  devastate the life prospects for their children.    Christians should speak up about that,  and leave folks who can't even have children alone.     

[Cripplecreek]

It's all part of the same movement, Jazzy. Lawsuits are "peaceful", too, but destructive, nonetheless. Just because it isn't down to shooting, doesn't mean it isn't a war.

I don't care if its a peaceful protest or not. What  kind of simpleton goes to a Christian college then protests to demand that they embrace degeneracy?

[rangerrebew]

 Christian university must celebrate ‘panromantic’ gender identity, LGBTQ students demand
Grace Curtis - Converse College •April 27, 2017
 

Unacceptable that new diversity official holds to ‘biblical standards’

Seattle Pacific University says it supports the right of its LGBTQ students to advocate against anti-gay actions and name-calling.

Its LGBTQ students want the evangelical university to go a step further, and affirm non-heterosexual practices and various gender identities.

[HoustonSam]

Free speech is the value that must be defended, whether exercised by Anne Coulter or gay students at SPU.

I didn't see anything in the article about these students not having the ability to speak their opinion.

  There ARE gays at SPU,  like everywhere else,  and like folks everywhere else,  they seek respect for who they are.   Christians deservedly draw criticism when they fixate and obsess over homosexuality when the real problems are infidelity, promiscuity, divorce and the breakdown of families.    Two gays living together hurts no one.   Straights who divorce, or procreate without marrying their partners,  devastate the life prospects for their children.    Christians should speak up about that,  and leave folks who can't even have children alone.   

The only people I see obsessing and fixating over homosexuality are homosexuals themselves.  Perhaps there is more to the story than what's covered in the article, but there is no evidence in the article that homosexual students have in any sense been excluded from fully participating in the programs of their university.  Is there some movement at that university to expel the homosexual students, lower their grades, or limit their participation in particular majors or extracurricular activities?  On the contrary, it appears that the university continues to accept students who reject the university's values and allows those students to speak their own values.  That's called "tolerance."

The issues you call out are real problems, but part of the Christian faith is accepting The Word of God on what are the real problems, and The Word is pretty clear that homosexuality is a real problem.  Check the first chapter of Romans.  No one is required to accept His Word in this life, but neither does anyone have the legitimate right to force others to reject His Word.  If the homosexual students at this university find the university's values to be in conflict with their own, they should continue their educations at any number of other universities whose values are more contemporary.

[mountaineer]

If the homosexual students at this university find the university's values to be in conflict with their own, they should continue their educations at any number of other universities whose values are more contemporary.

Exactly. I went to a Christian university. I knew where they stood, I knew what the rules were. Had I wanted to attend a school that didn't share my beliefs, there were hundreds of other institutions available.

I just noticed this thread is in "Immigration." 

[musiclady]

They should go to college elsewhere

Seriously.

Why go to a Christian University if you don't agree with viewing EVERYTHING from a Biblical perspective.


That's why Christian Universities exist.

[mountaineer]

Geez, they're in Seattle. How far away is UW, a few blocks?

[Cripplecreek]

Seriously.

Why go to a Christian University if you don't agree with viewing EVERYTHING from a Biblical perspective.


That's why Christian Universities exist.

Yeah but going to liberal colleges doesn't advance the liberal gay agenda. Same reason they're all becoming college republicans.

[Jazzhead]

Seriously.

Why go to a Christian University if you don't agree with viewing EVERYTHING from a Biblical perspective.


That's why Christian Universities exist.

Perhaps they prefer a Christian university's emphasis on classical education; such places likely teach, for example,  Latin and western civilization from a non-globalist perspective.    Here in Philly, it's common for non-Catholic parents to send their kids to Catholic school, where they know they'll be taught the three Rs in a disciplined learning environment.   I sent both my kids to a Quaker school because of their emphasis on ethics,  honesty and tolerance.   (They both turned out great, btw.)   

The big problem with public schools is that they don't incorporate values education, at least not of the sort I recognize as such.   I strongly support school choice so parents have the option of emphasizing values education.   

 I oppose strongly Christian anti-homosexual dogma.   But that doesn't cause me to lose sight of the value of a Christian education.   

[roamer_1]

The big problem with public schools is that they don't incorporate values education, at least not of the sort I recognize as such.   I strongly support school choice so parents have the option of emphasizing values education.   

 I oppose strongly Christian anti-homosexual dogma.   But that doesn't cause me to lose sight of the value of a Christian education.

 

You're a laugh riot.

[Ancient]

And I'm sure you support Christian bakers and photographers while shutting their businesses down and telling them it is not a war on Christianity....  and the banning of words like "mom" and "dad" at schools is yet another demonstration of how it is just about what goes on in a bed room.  When a former lesbian mayor of Houston tried to get a court order to supeona sermons from local churches... again, nothing to see here.  Universities are purging on-campus Christian groups for violation of their "non-discrimination" policies.  Of course most of those are old news, the newest things are policies by government sponsored entities (NCAA,  NFL) targeting states that have old fashion ideas regarding which bathroom someone should use.

In short, I don't buy your bs.

[Jazzhead]

And I'm sure you support Christian bakers and photographers while shutting their businesses down and telling them it is not a war on Christianity....  and the banning of words like "mom" and "dad" at schools is yet another demonstration of how it is just about what goes on in a bed room.  When a former lesbian mayor of Houston tried to get a court order to supeona sermons from local churches... again, nothing to see here.  Universities are purging on-campus Christian groups for violation of their "non-discrimination" policies.  Of course most of those are old news, the newest things are policies by government sponsored entities (NCAA,  NFL) targeting states that have old fashion ideas regarding which bathroom someone should use.

In short, I don't buy your bs.

And I don't buy yours.   You're just another obsessive over homosexuality;  why do you fear your neighbors who don't harm you in the slightest?   If you're a Christian, speak out about infidelity and divorce;  those are the practices that damage others (that is, innocent children),  and that are far more sinful and destructive than anything your neighbors may be doing behind closed doors that's none of your damn business.     

[HoustonSam]

 
 I oppose strongly Christian anti-homosexual dogma.   But that doesn't cause me to lose sight of the value of a Christian education.

You are completely entitled to cherry-pick what you want from Christian thought and leave behind what you don't want.  Neither you nor homosexual students at a Christian university are entitled to force the university, or other Christians, to offer Christian thought buffet-style.

[INVAR]

I don't care if its a peaceful protest or not. What  kind of simpleton goes to a Christian college then protests to demand that they embrace degeneracy?

Not a 'simpleton' - but a "Change Agent" that seeks to divide, conquer and reshape the Christianity into the sick, perverted, twisted, evil and demonic religion of the Hedonists/Secularists and Left.

That college should expel every single last one of those degenerates if they are a "Christian College" and not capitulate to providing safe spaces for abomination.

[skeeter]

The LGBT racket with their dogma are the biggest "bullies" out there.

[skeeter]

And I don't buy yours.   You're just another obsessive over homosexuality;  why do you fear your neighbors who don't harm you in the slightest?   If you're a Christian, speak out about infidelity and divorce;  those are the practices that damage others (that is, innocent children),  and that are far more sinful and destructive than anything your neighbors may be doing behind closed doors that's none of your damn business.   

"what your neighbors are doing behind closed doors" - gads you sound like some sort of bloviating Rip van Winkle.

[INVAR]

And I don't buy yours.   You're just another obsessive over homosexuality;  why do you fear your neighbors who don't harm you in the slightest?   If you're a Christian, speak out about infidelity and divorce;  those are the practices that damage others (that is, innocent children),  and that are far more sinful and destructive than anything your neighbors may be doing behind closed doors that's none of your damn business.   

Your homosexual neighbors and their demonic agenda and perverted behavior is not content to stay within the confines of their own homes.  They (and you) demand others see, acknowledge, accept and even participate in the abomination and evil that you ascribe as "virtuous".  They demand Indoctrinating Children: "The Younger the Better".

If not, they engage in destroying individuals, businesses and intimidate with threats via their allies in government and media.  As a liberty issue - people like you and the homosexual mafia are every bit the enemies of God and liberty that the Marxist Left is.

As a Christian, I will speak out against people like you who pretend to be Christian and proclaim evil as a good, and denounce righteousness as an evil.  People like you and your homosexual neighbors and their sick-perverted agenda have MADE IT MY BUSINESS to oppose, resist, and cry aloud, spare not and proclaiming your sin to this people (Is 58:1).

[geronl]

"what your neighbors are doing behind closed doors" .

if they kept it behind closed doors none of this would be happening.

[INVAR]

if they kept it behind closed doors none of this would be happening.

And they will tell you that "Why should they be forced to stay in the closet and not be accepted by everyone else as deserving the same acknowledgment?"

They seek to normalize deviancy and get it accepted, while at the same time, working to denounce and expunge religion and mindsets that sear their consciences that what they are doing is perverted and sinful.

[Jazzhead]

Your homosexual neighbors and their demonic agenda and perverted behavior is not content to stay within the confines of their own homes.  They (and you) demand others see, acknowledge, accept and even participate in the abomination and evil that you ascribe as "virtuous".  They demand Indoctrinating Children: "The Younger the Better".

If not, they engage in destroying individuals, businesses and intimidate with threats via their allies in government and media.  As a liberty issue - people like you and the homosexual mafia are every bit the enemies of God and liberty that the Marxist Left is.

As a Christian, I will speak out against people like you who pretend to be Christian and proclaim evil as a good, and denounce righteousness as an evil.  People like you and your homosexual neighbors and their sick-perverted agenda have MADE IT MY BUSINESS to oppose, resist, and cry aloud, spare not and proclaiming your sin to this people (Is 58:1).

      

If you're goal is to make Christians look like stark raving loonies,  you're succeeding.   

[roamer_1]

     

If you're goal is to make Christians look like stark raving loonies,  you're succeeding.   

He's right.

[INVAR]

     

If you're goal is to make Christians look like stark raving loonies,  you're succeeding.   

Good.

"An unjust man is abominable to the righteous, And he who is upright in the way of Yaweh is abominable to the wicked." - Proverbs 29:27


"You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved." - Matthew 10:22

[XenaLee]

Your homosexual neighbors and their demonic agenda and perverted behavior is not content to stay within the confines of their own homes.  They (and you) demand others see, acknowledge, accept and even participate in the abomination and evil that you ascribe as "virtuous".  They demand Indoctrinating Children: "The Younger the Better".

If not, they engage in destroying individuals, businesses and intimidate with threats via their allies in government and media.  As a liberty issue - people like you and the homosexual mafia are every bit the enemies of God and liberty that the Marxist Left is.

As a Christian, I will speak out against people like you who pretend to be Christian and proclaim evil as a good, and denounce righteousness as an evil.  People like you and your homosexual neighbors and their sick-perverted agenda have MADE IT MY BUSINESS to oppose, resist, and cry aloud, spare not and proclaiming your sin to this people (Is 58:1).

 

[Ancient]

And I don't buy yours.   You're just another obsessive over homosexuality;  why do you fear your neighbors who don't harm you in the slightest?

I gave you a list of harms and left a bunch out.  You ignored them so you can keep pretending that all is well.  If the gaystapo agenda was simply to be allowed to do their thing behind closed doors, you might have a point.  Instead it has been weaponized and used as a club to bash Christians and attack their freedoms.

Here are some more.  The attacks on the boy scouts, colleges banning Chick-fila over a comment by the owner, listing Christianity as a "privilege" and thus bad... it just keeps going.

[XenaLee]

And they will tell you that "Why should they be forced to stay in the closet and not be accepted by everyone else as deserving the same acknowledgment?"

They seek to normalize deviancy and get it accepted, while at the same time, working to denounce and expunge religion and mindsets that sear their consciences that what they are doing is perverted and sinful.

And meanwhile...... they are being used by the radical left to complete the left's "war on Christianity" by promoting deviancy....

and they are either too naïve (stupid) to know it....

or are too leftist to care.

Either way, they are part and parcel of America's enemy within.

[Cripplecreek]

A few of the relevant communist goals as listed in 1963.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

[XenaLee]

A few of the relevant communist goals as listed in 1963.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

Scary.... isn't it.

[skeeter]

if they kept it behind closed doors none of this would be happening.

No it certainly would not.

[Jazzhead]

A few of the relevant communist goals as listed in 1963.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

Same sex marriage is intended to discourage promiscuity and promote the formation of stable families. 

Easy divorce?   Now THERE you have a point.   But several of the Christians here who attack me as evil and wicked have in fact been divorced themselves.   Tend to your own house and leave my neighbors alone.

[Smokin Joe]

And I don't buy yours.   You're just another obsessive over homosexuality;  why do you fear your neighbors who don't harm you in the slightest?   If you're a Christian, speak out about infidelity and divorce;  those are the practices that damage others (that is, innocent children),  and that are far more sinful and destructive than anything your neighbors may be doing behind closed doors that's none of your damn business.   

Welcome to the culture war, but you already knew you were there. Normalizing behaviour which has traditionally been seen to be degenerate only normalizes degeneracy. Normalizing it at the expense of traditional values changes a culture, and not for the better. How can you say that isn't harmful? Only if you support the degeneracy.

You are right, within the law and among consenting adults, what they do behind closed doors is none of my business. IF ONLY they would keep it there. But when a group identifies solely on the basis of their perversions and demands that everyone else accept, no, clelbrate those perversions, it is past time to STFU.

Do you send your kids to Christian Schools so you can subvert the teachings you are paying extra for, or do you subvert those teachings in advance and negate some of the benefit of going to school at a Christian school? Why not just send them to a different private school?

[Smokin Joe]

Not a 'simpleton' - but a "Change Agent" that seeks to divide, conquer and reshape the Christianity into the sick, perverted, twisted, evil and demonic religion of the Hedonists/Secularists and Left.

That college should expel every single last one of those degenerates if they are a "Christian College" and not capitulate to providing safe spaces for abomination.

That can be handled at the admissions office with a statement that all students will be expected to uphold the moral codes of the institution, and failure to do so, or conspicuously undermining those moral codes will be cause for dismissal. If the US Naval Academy or West Point can do it, anyone can.

[Smokin Joe]

The LGBT racket with their dogma are the biggest "bullies" out there.

Yep. If your school has an anti-bullying campaign going and your kid gets beat up, and they aren't LGBT, it doesn't count. They've even co-opted the term "bullying".

[geronl]

Same sex marriage is intended to discourage promiscuity and promote the formation of stable families. 

No, it's not. Fake "marriage" legitimizes it

[Cripplecreek]

Not a 'simpleton' - but a "Change Agent" that seeks to divide, conquer and reshape the Christianity into the sick, perverted, twisted, evil and demonic religion of the Hedonists/Secularists and Left.

That college should expel every single last one of those degenerates if they are a "Christian College" and not capitulate to providing safe spaces for abomination.

Exactly.

I have a militant lesbian cousin who has spent her entire "adult" life making harassing claims of discrimination. She deliberately seeks out Christian institutions and applies for jobs while making it clear how disgusted she is with Christian doctrine. When they naturally don't hire her she takes to facebook to stir her gay friends into a rage.

Before there was gay marriage in Minnesota where she lives, she and her girlfriend went to the bank to get a loan to buy a house. The bank was willing to give them a joint loan but couldn't list them as a married couple. The bank explained that there was no legal definition of same sex marriage and listing them as married would be fraud. They walked away from the bank and joint loan only to falsely claim that the bank wouldn't give them a loan because they're gay.

[Smokin Joe]

Exactly.

I have a militant lesbian cousin who has spent her entire "adult" life making harassing claims of discrimination. She deliberately seeks out Christian institutions and applies for jobs while making it clear how disgusted she is with Christian doctrine. When they naturally don't hire her she takes to facebook to stir her gay friends into a rage.

Before there was gay marriage in Minnesota where she lives, she and her girlfriend went to the bank to get a loan to buy a house. The bank was willing to give them a joint loan but couldn't list them as a married couple. The bank explained that there was no legal definition of same sex marriage and listing them as married would be fraud. They walked away from the bank and joint loan only to falsely claim that the bank wouldn't give them a loan because they're gay.

It is exactly that sort of seeking victimhood which indicates this is not merely about 'acceptance to live a normal life', but instead a war waged on targeted businesses and institutions which are either legally or morally unable to accommodate them. Anyone seeking simple acceptance would simply act like ordinary people do and not insist everyone else think exactly as they do.

[Fishrrman]

XenaLee wrote (regarding the goals of communism posted by Cripplecreek):
"Scary.... isn't it."

It is.
And that's why [in my posts here] I have now changed from calling "the other party" "democrats", to the name that more accurately describes them of late:
democrat/communists.

[Smokin Joe]

XenaLee wrote (regarding the goals of communism posted by Cripplecreek):
"Scary.... isn't it."

It is.
And that's why [in my posts here] I have now changed from calling "the other party" "democrats", to the name that more accurately describes them of late:
democrat/communists.

Seems like the Communists always stuck that "Democratic Republic" bit in the name of their latest country somewhere, at least while Communism was still "alive". Communism  has never been so healthy as since it was pronounced "dead".

[Cripplecreek]

Seems like the Communists always stuck that "Democratic Republic" bit in the name of their latest country somewhere, at least while Communism was still "alive". Communism  has never been so healthy as since it was pronounced "dead".

It should be noted that these social disruptions aren't because communists love homosexuals but to disrupt and weaken a target society. The whole list of goals were about weakening America from within. Things like encouraging violence as a legitimate political tool or pushing nations to revolution before the people are ready to govern themselves.

While many here knowingly nod and mutter about the democrats, a growing number of "conservatives" seem to be working out of the same toolbox.

[musiclady]

It should be noted that these social disruptions aren't because communists love homosexuals but to disrupt and weaken a target society. The whole list of goals were about weakening America from within. Things like encouraging violence as a legitimate political tool or pushing nations to revolution before the people are ready to govern themselves.

While many here knowingly nod and mutter about the democrats, a growing number of "conservatives" seem to be working out of the same toolbox.

Actually, Communists have a sordid history of killing homosexuals.

They are clearly just using them in America to destroy America.............. as per plan.

And by your use of quotations around the word conservative, I know you understand that the people on this board singing the praises of homosexuals are not in the least conservative.....

[Cripplecreek]

Actually, Communists have a sordid history of killing homosexuals.

They are clearly just using them in America to destroy America.............. as per plan.

And by your use of quotations around the word conservative, I know you understand that the people on this board singing the praises of homosexuals are not in the least conservative.....

Its like being in 1930s Germany stuck between the 2 competing brands of socialists with both sides using any convenient tool to disrupt society for their own ends.

I won't stand with either side.

[Smokin Joe]

It should be noted that these social disruptions aren't because communists love homosexuals but to disrupt and weaken a target society. The whole list of goals were about weakening America from within. Things like encouraging violence as a legitimate political tool or pushing nations to revolution before the people are ready to govern themselves.

While many here knowingly nod and mutter about the democrats, a growing number of "conservatives" seem to be working out of the same toolbox.

Duly noted. I agree. They have their eyes on the prize and have only changed tactics. Such is the nature of asymmetrical warfare carried out on a cultural level.
It is indeed the Democrats, but increasingly soi disant "conservatives" who have infiltrated and largely rendered meaningless the Republican Brand, and now, having separated Party from principle, go after "Conservatives" themselves, attempting to pry people away from principle.
Their 'principles' and their rhetorical style identify them.

[Fishrrman]

The university president should say, thanks for the input, but WE will decide what curriculum is taught here. If you don't like it, you're free to enroll elsewhere.

[Smokin Joe]

The university president should say, thanks for the input, but WE will decide what curriculum is taught here. If you don't like it, you're free to enroll elsewhere.

Precisely.

[EC]

The university president should say, thanks for the input, but WE will decide what curriculum is taught here. If you don't like it, you're free to enroll elsewhere.

I'd amend that slightly, to "Thanks for the input, but WE will decide what curriculum is taught here. Here's this year's tuition refunded, go enroll elsewhere."

[Mod2]

Moved to education category