Pence presents new healthcare offer to Freedom Caucus

[libertybele]

The majority of our GOP politicians campaigned on the PROMISE of REPEAL.  Anything less than that is unacceptable.  Those in here have implied that in doing so will harm millions. What a crock of b.s.  The damage done by the ACA has already been felt by millions; repealing a terrible bill that is destined to destroy our economy will benefit millions AND give them affordable insurance. As explained; just like any other insurance, there will be a transition period.  It's not rocket science.  Paul and Cruz both have great plans, put them together and we will have the best of both.

[Jazzhead]

The majority of our GOP politicians campaigned on the PROMISE of REPEAL.  Anything less than that is unacceptable.  Those in here have implied that in doing so will harm millions. What a crock of b.s.  The damage done by the ACA has already been felt by millions; repealing a terrible bill that is destined to destroy our economy will benefit millions AND give them affordable insurance. As explained; just like any other insurance, there will be a transition period.  It's not rocket science.  Paul and Cruz both have great plans, put them together and we will have the best of both.

Then work to defeat your GOP representative.  Cut off your nose to spite your face.  I think that a refusal to accept reality is madness,  but be my guest.  If self-righteousness helps you feel better about the ACA,  then think of yourself first.  Me,  I want my reps to work to fix the ACA,  get rid of the mandates and restore affordable choices to the marketplace while preserving a framework for guaranteed issue.     

[Emjay]

That mentality is exactly the mindset that got us into the mess the country is in today.

Electing Barack Obama got us into the mess we are in today.  And he was probably elected because of people like you.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The majority of our GOP politicians campaigned on the PROMISE of REPEAL.

The majority sure did.  But the minority who did not are enough to sink a complete repeal.  So, we gotta offer them something to get them off the schneid.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

That mentality is exactly the mindset that got us into the mess the country is in today.

No. 

What got us in the problem we're in today was the left recognizing that "half a loaf" to the left is better than no loaf to the left.  What can get us out of that problem is realizing that half a loaf to the right is better than no loaf to the right.

[txradioguy]

The majority sure did.  But the minority who did not are enough to sink a complete repeal.  So, we gotta offer them something to get them off the schneid.

The very same people you say would sink a complete repeal voted in favor of it two years ago.

[txradioguy]

No. 

What got us in the problem we're in today was the left recognizing that "half a loaf" to the left is better than no loaf to the left.  What can get us out of that problem is realizing that half a loaf to the right is better than no loaf to the right.

Yes.  Half measures and not standing our ground...compromising with Liberals and take the biggest part of a crap sandwich has us in the mess we're in.

This spineless mealy mouthed "half a loaf" is full failure when it comes to undoing radical Liberal policies.

[geronl]

Then work to oust the GOP representative in your district and replace him/her with a Dem.

It's your side that is threatening to primary conservatives and likely electing Democrats.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The very same people you say would sink a complete repeal voted in favor of it two years ago.

And those very same people promised to replace it with something that protected some of those elements, didn't they?

[Cyber Liberty]

It's your side that is threatening to primary conservatives and likely electing Democrats.

I, for one, am applauding his finally having the guts to speak the truth about his ambitions.

[geronl]

The majority sure did.  But the minority who did not are enough to sink a complete repeal.  So, we gotta offer them something to get them off the schneid.

Yes, the people we can trust are the ones who have lied their faces off for years promising to repeal ACA.  :nometalk:

[Jazzhead]

Yes.  Half measures and not standing our ground...compromising with Liberals and take the biggest part of a crap sandwich has us in the mess we're in.

This spineless mealy mouthed "half a loaf" is full failure when it comes to undoing radical Liberal policies.

"Standing our ground" means the ACA is preserved.   That's madness.   I'll take incremental progress to blunt the worst features of the ACA while preserving what's popular and valuable.   

[Jazzhead]

I, for one, am applauding his finally having the guts to speak the truth about his ambitions.

Your sarcasm detector must be broken.   What I favor can preserve GOP majorities in Congress.   Being known as the party that can't govern even when it holds the Congress and the Presidency is a black mark that will sweep the GOP from power in 2018 - and deservedly so. 

[mountaineer]

Your sarcasm detector must be broken.   What I favor can preserve GOP majorities in Congress.   Being known as the party that can't govern even when it holds the Congress and the Presidency is a black mark that will sweep the GOP from power in 2018 - and deservedly so.

And you have no problem with that. Good to know.

[Cyber Liberty]

Your sarcasm detector must be broken.   What I favor can preserve GOP majorities in Congress.   Being known as the party that can't govern even when it holds the Congress and the Presidency is a black mark that will sweep the GOP from power in 2018 - and deservedly so.

Indeed, it must be broken.  Might be because I have a meeting in 15 minutes, and those suck the funny right out of me.   

[r9etb]

It's NOT the moderates that need to be appeased, nor is the idea of partial repeal acceptable!

Wrong on both assertions. 

1.  Just like the last one, any such bill will have to walk the tightrope between the moderates and the conservatives, because both groups will need to vote YES in order to pass something.

2.  The previous bill failed in part because it was too close to full repeal to be acceptable to the more moderate members. 

I honestly don't see why you and others continue to shout about this -- full repeal is simply not going to happen.  It's not.  The votes are not there, and will never BE there.

[Emjay]

Electing Barack Obama got us into the mess we are in today.  And he was probably elected because of people like you.

Just a guess here but.... speaking of Obama, I voted for John McCain, a man I didn't like at all.

I also voted for Mitt Romney, not perfect either.

I would venture a guess that you did not vote for either man because they were not to your liking.

Am I right.

[geronl]

Your sarcasm detector must be broken.   What I favor can preserve GOP majorities in Congress.   

By having a President campaign against his own party in 2018?

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Yes.  Half measures and not standing our ground...compromising with Liberals and take the biggest part of a crap sandwich has us in the mess we're in.

This spineless mealy mouthed "half a loaf" is full failure when it comes to undoing radical Liberal policies.

I don't understand this talk about being "spineless" and "mealy-mouthed".  To whom are you referring?  The moderates of the Tuesday Group are insisting on what they promised their constituents, and the HFC is doing the same.  The problem is that their constituencies, and the promises they made, are not the same.  And as for now, they're both sticking to their guns.

So who is being "mealy-mouthed"?

[geronl]

Wrong on both assertions. 

1.  Just like the last one, any such bill will have to walk the tightrope between the moderates and the conservatives, because both groups will need to vote YES in order to pass something.

2.  The previous bill failed in part because it was too close to full repeal to be acceptable to the more moderate members. 

It was not anywhere near a full repeal and thanks for admitting that "phase 2 and phase 3" were lies.

If Trump was a real man he would be threatening to run primary opponents against the moderates who campaigned on ACA repeal and then turned against the voters.

[Smokin Joe]

No. 

What got us in the problem we're in today was the left recognizing that "half a loaf" to the left is better than no loaf to the left.  What can get us out of that problem is realizing that half a loaf to the right is better than no loaf to the right.

What got us into this problem was giving the left half of our loaf anyway.
Now they want more. (Shocking!).

[Emjay]

I don't understand this talk about being "spineless" and "mealy-mouthed".  To whom are you referring?  The moderates of the Tuesday Group are insisting on what they promised their constituents, and the HFC is doing the same.  The problem is that their constituencies, and the promises they made, are not the same.  And as for now, they're both sticking to their guns.

So who is being "mealy-mouthed"?

@txradioguy   You sneer at half a load and brag about achieving 'none.'  What's so great about that except fueling your ego.

[Smokin Joe]

@txradioguy   You sneer at half a load and brag about achieving 'none.'  What's so great about that except fueling your ego.

Half a load? Most honest description I've heard all day.

[geronl]

"Standing our ground" means the ACA is preserved.   That's madness.   I'll take incremental progress to blunt the worst features of the ACA while preserving what's popular and valuable.

So you side with those who lied to our face for years. You side with those who tell lies in order to pass a POS bill ("phase 2&3 would never happen). Then they blame conservatives when the moderates were the real reason it failed.

These liars had no intention of repealing ACA. They are miserable, horrible, untrustworthy establishment pieces of excrement no better than toe jam.

So of course, in your opinion, we should back them to the hilt!

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Wrong on both assertions. 

1.  Just like the last one, any such bill will have to walk the tightrope between the moderates and the conservatives, because both groups will need to vote YES in order to pass something.

2.  The previous bill failed in part because it was too close to full repeal to be acceptable to the more moderate members. 

I honestly don't see why you and others continue to shout about this -- full repeal is simply not going to happen.  It's not.  The votes are not there, and will never BE there.

Ah, but that's where you're wrong.  If you just say "They Must Vote For Full Repeal" three times while standing on one leg, then click your heels together, it will magically happen!