Trump Declares War on Freedom Caucus in New Tweet: ‘We Must Fight Them’

[geronl]

The thing is, the Democrats have no incentive, and apparently no desire, whatever to deal with Trump.  Why should they?

They can move him toward single payer, he toyed with the idea of "Medicare for the middle class" during the campaign (probably because it's his real thoughts on the issue). He might be attracted to the idea of "medicare for all" as Bernie calls it.

[Smokin Joe]

They can move him toward single payer, he toyed with the idea of "Medicare for the middle class" during the campaign (probably because it's his real thoughts on the issue). He might be attracted to the idea of "medicare for all" as Bernie calls it.

The Dems got what they wanted. they're fine with sitting right where things are. Why the Pubbies aren't on board completely with dumping it is the head-scratcher, especially after years of whining and promises.

[INVAR]

The Dems got what they wanted. they're fine with sitting right where things are. Why the Pubbies aren't on board completely with dumping it is the head-scratcher, especially after years of whining and promises.

Not a head scratcher at all.  The GOP WANTS Obamacare to stay in total.

They just want to manage it better, so that it benefits their party with lobbyist coffers and dependents.

[Smokin Joe]

Not a head scratcher at all.  The GOP WANTS Obamacare to stay in total.

They just want to manage it better, so that it benefits their party with lobbyist coffers and dependents.

They want their own plantation, just like the Democrats.
They are ticked off that Conservatives won't get inside their fence.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

I'll give jr credit for not trying to give excuses for trump.

I don't know how long love the Trump hate the Trump care is going to work for him. People can only stand that kind of cognitive dissonance for so long.

[Jazzhead]

  The GOP WANTS Obamacare to stay in total.

But the only faction in the GOP that has actually acted to effect that is the Freedom Caucus. 

[txradioguy]

But the only faction in the GOP that has actually acted to effect that is the Freedom Caucus.

So 18 votes upended the entire effort?  Are you really THAT obtuse?

Even if the entire HFC voted against it...it wouldn't have been enough votes on their own to stop the bill from moving on to the Senate.

But hey...you keep living in that alternate universe of yours that tells you a handful of people that didn't actually defat the bill...defeated the bill.

[geronl]

But the only faction in the GOP that has actually acted to effect that is the Freedom Caucus.

According to the Fake News Narrative.

[INVAR]

But the only faction in the GOP that has actually acted to effect that is the Freedom Caucus.

You make us laugh. 

You are the guy who has gone to the mat to DEFEND Government-Run healthcare, so any feigned outrage you have over the intransigence of the FC to sign onto Trumpcare is a freaking joke.

[Jazzhead]

According to the Fake News Narrative.

The FC is directly responsible for the demise of the AHCA.    They are, hence, directly responsible for the reality that ObamaCare lives.   

[r9etb]

The FC is directly responsible for the demise of the AHCA.    They are, hence, directly responsible for the reality that ObamaCare lives.

That goes too far.  The FC certainly represented a bloc of swing votes that, had they gone "YES", would have resulted in passage of the bill.  However, the FC were not the only "NO" votes.

[txradioguy]

The FC is directly responsible for the demise of the AHCA.    They are, hence, directly responsible for the reality that ObamaCare lives.

Again...you're wrong.  But that's become the norm for you.

What Ryan failed to appreciate is that his mad dash to draft a replacement would end up alienating Freedom Caucus members who wanted to play an active role in shaping it. Repeal and delay was compelling to those on the Republican right who wanted to have a more open, inclusive process in which all elements of the GOP would take part in crafting successful legislation. Did it make sense to believe you could repeal Obamacare and then take your sweet time with a slow-moving, deliberative process designed to reconcile the seemingly irreconcilable positions of moderate Republicans and the members of the HFC? Maybe not. But Ryan didn’t really make that case. Instead, he pivoted right back to the highly centralized, secretive process that drove the Freedom Caucus crazy in the first place.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/03/paul_ryan_shouldn_t_blame_the_house_freedom_caucus_for_sinking_the_american.html

[XenaLee]

The FC is directly responsible for the demise of the AHCA.    They are, hence, directly responsible for the reality that ObamaCare lives.

It has gotten to the point (literally).....

where if you come on here and say the sky is blue....

I am forced to look outside for any 'other' color.

[Jazzhead]

It has gotten to the point (literally).....

where if you come on here and say the sky is blue....

I am forced to look outside for any 'other' color.

I don't give a damn whether you listen to me.  But I speak the truth.   

[skeeter]

You make us laugh. 

You are the guy who has gone to the mat to DEFEND Government-Run healthcare, so any feigned outrage you have over the intransigence of the FC to sign onto Trumpcare is a freaking joke.

It's a tough balancing act - arguing from the left while maintaining conservative bona fides.

Impossible, from the looks of it.

[Doug Loss]

I don't give a damn whether you listen to me.  But I speak the truth.

Well, one of those statements may be true.

[DB]

I don't give a damn whether you listen to me.  But I speak the truth.

Just because you sincerely believe that doesn't make it so. Essentially all the statist that came before you believed the same thing, for the greater good and all - and ruined hundreds of millions of lives pursuing their "truth".

[geronl]

  The FC certainly represented a bloc of swing votes that, had they gone "YES", would have resulted in passage of the bill.

Actually, that is in doubt. According to the FC, most members would have voted YES, it was the moderate RINO's who would have sunk it.

[INVAR]

I don't give a damn whether you listen to me.  But I speak the truth.

No, you speak LIES and then insist the lies are the truth.

[corbe]

[r9etb]

Actually, that is in doubt. According to the FC, most members would have voted YES, it was the moderate RINO's who would have sunk it.

 :huh?:

Ted Poe quit the FC for exactly the opposite reason.  “The president, Speaker Ryan, came to the Freedom Caucus and made some changes that we wanted several times,” Poe said in an interview Monday morning on Fox News’ “Fox & Friends.” “But no matter what changes were made, the goal post kept getting moved and at the end of the day, ‘no’ was the answer. And sometimes you’re going to have to say yes.”

[Doug Loss]

:huh?:

Ted Poe quit the FC for exactly the opposite reason.  “The president, Speaker Ryan, came to the Freedom Caucus and made some changes that we wanted several times,” Poe said in an interview Monday morning on Fox News’ “Fox & Friends.” “But no matter what changes were made, the goal post kept getting moved and at the end of the day, ‘no’ was the answer. And sometimes you’re going to have to say yes.”

That quote was fairly disingenuous.  It implies that the Freedom Caucus votes as a bloc, with all members voting the same way on issues.  That's clearly not true, as was evident from the statements of other FC members and from the counts published by parties on all sides of the question.

[r9etb]

That quote was fairly disingenuous.  It implies that the Freedom Caucus votes as a bloc, with all members voting the same way on issues.  That's clearly not true, as was evident from the statements of other FC members and from the counts published by parties on all sides of the question.

You're kidding, right?  All this time you guys have been talking about how principled the FC was for "standing firm," and now you're making up a big story about how supple they were after all?

The Freedom Caucus is a voting bloc, and they bargained with Trump as such, and they announced -- as a caucus -- that they were going to vote against the AHCA.

Poe left them for a reason.  You can mischaracterize his statement as "disingenuous," but the fact that he actually resigned from the group tells me you're wrong.

[Doug Loss]

You're kidding, right?  All this time you guys have been talking about how principled the FC was for "standing firm," and now you're making up a big story about how supple they were after all?

The Freedom Caucus is a voting bloc, and they bargained with Trump as such, and they announced -- as a caucus -- that they were going to vote against the AHCA.

Poe left them for a reason.  You can mischaracterize his statement as "disingenuous," but the fact that he actually resigned from the group tells me you're wrong.

"Making up?"  Are you saying that you didn't read any of the accounts that only something like 15 FC members were opposed to the bill?  What you're saying here is just not true.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

"Making up?"  Are you saying that you didn't read any of the accounts that only something like 15 FC members were opposed to the bill?  What you're saying here is just not true.

That's a fair point, but given that there are only 235 GOP House members, and 218 is required for a majority, that means we can only lose 17 votes total in the entire House.  So if 15 members of the HFC opposed the bill, three moderates could sink it the rest of the way.  And given that there are 50 members of the Tuesday group....

Bottom line is that if 15 HFC members oppose a bill, it's not going to pass.