It Might Soon Be Legal for Employers to Force You Into a Genetic Test

[XenaLee]

In our depraved and wicked culture, the only privacy one is permitted is to engage in deviant sexual behaviors and criminality if you are a liberal Leftist and vote Democrat.

The rest of us are not entitled to any privacy, because as Leftists have been trumpeting now with great fanfare - the plebes in flyover country cannot be trusted with liberty or privacy.  Certainly they say that the last election proves we cannot be trusted to vote either.

Those of us who understand the scriptures recognize we are rapidly arriving at the place and time whereby everyone must be married, thought and deed to the beast - or breathing and making a living will be impossible.

This is just one more tool in such an arsenal of imposing that.

What if....  the reason behind wanting genetic info on every employee.... has a more diabolical purpose?  Like..... cloning, for instance.  Wouldn't want to spend time and money cloning someone with bad genes.  Sounds wacky?  What doesn't, these days?

[Idaho_Cowboy]

What if....  the reason behind wanting genetic info on every employee.... has a more diabolical purpose?  Like..... cloning, for instance.  Wouldn't want to spend time and money cloning someone with bad genes.  Sounds wacky?  What doesn't, these days?

I've had at least one boss that told me they wished they could clone me. 

[Cyber Liberty]

I've had at least one boss that told me they wished they could clone me. 

Have you ever told yourself you wished they could clone you?   

[INVAR]

What if....  the reason behind wanting genetic info on every employee.... has a more diabolical purpose?  Like..... cloning, for instance.  Wouldn't want to spend time and money cloning someone with bad genes.  Sounds wacky?  What doesn't, these days?

Whenever man decides to play God - it bodes horrifically ill for everyone.

[Smokin Joe]

I am opposed without reservation.  Databases can be compiled in ways that I am unable to comprehend or imagine.  It is enough for me to know that others can imagine those ways.  Heck, maybe I can be assessed a tax because of my DNA/mitochondrial advantages.  Or not.  I don't know what I don't know - and I'm speaking for the purity of intent in mapping my genetics.

Meanwhile, as a philosophical matter, I suspect many who may desire this genetic testing would find it abhorrent to drug screen a welfare recipient. 

Edit:  Spelling - drat!

I notice what seem to be trends, often reflected in advertisements for programs, actions, etc., and there has been a definite uptick in the number of ads wanting to document my bloodline or have my genetics tested.

An uncle did the geneology, back to before the Norman Conquest, so I doubt any outfit is going to provide me with much that isn't already available to me. Never mind that.

I also noted the selling angle that "I didn't know where I came from" being used to nudge people toward DNA testing to determine ancestry.

Overall, though, it seems someone out there wants to build databases of DNA, which can of course, be one of the most valuable tools totalitarians and eugenicists ever had.

Nothing like being able to say this group is the untermenschen, this the ubermenschen, and thus these will be used as thrall or eliminated, these as slaves or servants, while the rest will be the overlords (if they just have the right DNA).

Sorry, but I see a future of abuse, of targeting individuals for organ donation, a thousand abuses that can and will be justified by DNA, rather than allow for people to succeed or fail based on their willingness to work hard and be creative.

So, not only no, but Hell No.

[Lando Lincoln]

The horrors of science fiction novels are not difficult to conjure up here.

Let's say we begin mapping people's genetic make-up for the purposes of health wellness and management.  All is good. Now... your young son or daughter develops a grave illness. Well, let's have a look... Oh... little Tommy or Katie has terribly flawed markers in their genetics. Hmmm... we need to withhold the expensive treatment because... well, he/she is "flawed" and likely to have a short, unproductive life. Expensive for the system, too. The sound business decision is to make him/her comfortable and let them expire in due course.

Does this really sound too far-fetched?

[Smokin Joe]

  Certain genetic risks  are made riskier by bad habits - and the employee can be educated or encouraged to take part in wellness activities to help him live healthier.   

"Educated"? "encouraged" ?

OFF TO CAMP WITH YOU!

[DB]

I notice what seem to be trends, often reflected in advertisements for programs, actions, etc., and there has been a definite uptick in the number of ads wanting to document my bloodline or have my genetics tested.

An uncle did the geneology, back to before the Norman Conquest, so I doubt any outfit is going to provide me with much that isn't already available to me. Never mind that.

I also noted the selling angle that "I didn't know where I came from" being used to nudge people toward DNA testing to determine ancestry.

Overall, though, it seems someone out there wants to build databases of DNA, which can of course, be one of the most valuable tools totalitarians and eugenicists ever had.

Nothing like being able to say this group is the untermenschen, this the ubermenschen, and thus these will be used as thrall or eliminated, these as slaves or servants, while the rest will be the overlords (if they just have the right DNA).

Sorry, but I see a future of abuse, of targeting individuals for organ donation, a thousand abuses that can and will be justified by DNA, rather than allow for people to succeed or fail based on their willingness to work hard and be creative.

So, not only no, but Hell No.

Just wait until we're required to get a government permit to have children. Favorable DNA will get incentives and unfavorable DNA will get deterrents if not worse.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Yo @Quix you see this?

[Smokin Joe]

Genetic testing would mean flirting with that dreadful "reality" thing, which some States are making illegal.


If I'm a 45 year old bearded male, but I self-identify as a 14 year old Chinese girl, which will the genetic testing report to my employer? Who are they to tell ME that I'm not a woman?, or Chinese?, or Black?, or a giraffe? That's racist, sexist, and homophobic! I see many lawsuits in this.
Genetic reality is infringing on my right to be a delusional weirdo. I'm suing!

Well, it could be interesting watching all the 'psychotic breaks' (via satellite, of course).

[DB]

Certain genetic risks  are made riskier by bad habits - and the employee can be educated or encouraged to take part in wellness activities to help him live healthier.   

Very disturbing. Lets have government force on you what government says is healthy and penalize you for what it says is unhealthy. Your good intentions are just slavery and making people property of the state to do as they see fit for the "greater good". The "science" says having the wrong attitude is bad for your health and the government is going to correct that attitude...

How foolish can you be?

[Smokin Joe]

In our depraved and wicked culture, the only privacy one is permitted is to engage in deviant sexual behaviors and criminality if you are a liberal Leftist and vote Democrat.

The rest of us are not entitled to any privacy, because as Leftists have been trumpeting now with great fanfare - the plebes in flyover country cannot be trusted with liberty or privacy.  Certainly they say that the last election proves we cannot be trusted to vote either.

Those of us who understand the scriptures recognize we are rapidly arriving at the place and time whereby everyone must be married, thought and deed to the beast - or breathing and making a living will be impossible.

This is just one more tool in such an arsenal of imposing that.

Yep. That's about how it looks from the cheap seats.

[Smokin Joe]

The point of the HRA is to identify risk factors that the employee can take steps to control.   Certain genetic risks  are made riskier by bad habits - and the employee can be educated or encouraged to take part in wellness activities to help him live healthier.   

Don't eat apples/eat apples, don't eat eggs/ eat eggs, don't eat butter/butter is better for you, et cetera.
How many studies have we seen deeming something to be 'bad' for us when it turns out it wasn't, how often have we been told something is 'good' when it isn't?

This is nonsense. Neither the government nor the medical profession would even assert the 'science is settled', yet they want to impose it?  No thanks, I'm not a lab rat.

[DB]

@Jazzhead

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”


― C.S. Lewis

[Lando Lincoln]

Yo @Quix you see this?

Hey wait! We got the makin's of a futuristic dystopia sci- fi novel. It will get better.

[Smokin Joe]

The horrors of science fiction novels are not difficult to conjure up here.

Let's say we begin mapping people's genetic make-up for the purposes of health wellness and management.  All is good. Now... your young son or daughter develops a grave illness. Well, let's have a look... Oh... little Tommy or Katie has terribly flawed markers in their genetics. Hmmm... we need to withhold the expensive treatment because... well, he/she is "flawed" and likely to have a short, unproductive life. Expensive for the system, too. The sound business decision is to make him/her comfortable and let them expire in due course.

Does this really sound too far-fetched?

Not at all. How many parents of perfectly normal children have been encouraged to abort because of possible birth defects? How long before that becomes mandatory under such a program? (Or "encouraged"? as in they will pay for the abortion, but not ever cover the child, maternity, or any costs associated with it.)

The new ubermensch, the new camps. It doesn't take science fiction to get there, only to be decanting the Alphas, Betas, and Gammas out of the artificial wombs (Brave New World, Aldous Huxley).

[Smokin Joe]

@Jazzhead

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”


― C.S. Lewis

QFT

[Jazzhead]

What if....  the reason behind wanting genetic info on every employee.... has a more diabolical purpose?  Like..... cloning, for instance.  Wouldn't want to spend time and money cloning someone with bad genes.  Sounds wacky?  What doesn't, these days?

You do realize, don't you, just how stupid you sound?   

Wellness programs are perfectly benign.   Employers are trying save health care dollars and they want to encourage healthy habits among the workforce.   What the heck is wrong with that?   Folks live longer, and employers save money.   One of the more useful takeaways from a health risk assessment is to alert folks to issues that they can address by changing  bad habits.  Like diabetes.   To be able for the health plan to provide such information, family medical history can be quite relevant.   And that's the "genetic information" problem faced  by wellness programs.   The bill appears to be an attempt to facilitate the promulgation of effective wellness programs, that VOLUNTARILY obtain family medical history in order to formulate an action plan for an employee.

These programs do work, you know.  They bring down an employer's health care spend and, well, I hate to say it to all you rugged individualists,  gets some employees to clean up their acts - eating healthier, giving up smoking,  losing weight, you name it .   You know, good old socialist paternalism,  in the name of helping an employer rein in skyrocketing health care costs.   

[Jazzhead]

Very disturbing. Lets have government force on you what government says is healthy and penalize you for what it says is unhealthy. Your good intentions are just slavery and making people property of the state to do as they see fit for the "greater good". The "science" says having the wrong attitude is bad for your health and the government is going to correct that attitude...

How foolish can you be?

Note to Board administrator:  We really, really need a "rolleyes" smiley. 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

You do realize, don't you, just how stupid you sound?   

Did she really just say that employers want genetic testing for cloning?

[Jazzhead]

Whenever man decides to play God - it bodes horrifically ill for everyone.

Whenever man has the hubris to prance about like you saying he knows the mind of God, it bodes horrifically ill.   

[Jazzhead]

Did she really just say that employers want genetic testing for cloning?

It would appear so. 

The irony is, I know so many employers that really do care about the health of their workforce, and not just to improve the bottom line.   

[XenaLee]

You do realize, don't you, just how stupid you sound?   

Wellness programs are perfectly benign.   Employers are trying save health care dollars and they want to encourage healthy habits among the workforce.   What the heck is wrong with that?   Folks live longer, and employers save money.   One of the more useful takeaways from a health risk assessment is to alert folks to issues that they can address by changing  bad habits.  Like diabetes.   To be able for the health plan to provide such information, family medical history can be quite relevant.   And that's the "genetic information" problem faced  by wellness programs.   The bill appears to be an attempt to facilitate the promulgation of effective wellness programs, that VOLUNTARILY obtain family medical history in order to formulate an action plan for an employee.

These programs do work, you know.  They bring down an employer's health care spend and, well, I hate to say it to all you rugged individualists,  gets some employees to clean up their acts - eating healthier, giving up smoking,  losing weight, you name it .   You know, good old socialist paternalism,  in the name of helping an employer rein in skyrocketing health care costs.   

Well, we've already determined your level of stupidity (it is well-documented by now).  And notice....

I DID say "sounds wacky?" (note the question mark, as well).

Other than that.... you can KMA.

[XenaLee]

I've had at least one boss that told me they wished they could clone me. 

Lol....yeah.  I had a boyfriend once that I wished I could clone.  He was a good cook and really liked to cook for me, was a licensed massage therapist, didn't mind shopping with, loved the same music (smooth jazz and blues)  AND was damned good in the sack.   Oh...yeah.

[Wingnut]

Lol....yeah.  I had a boyfriend once that I wished I could clone.  He was a good cook and really liked to cook for me, was a licensed massage therapist, didn't mind shopping with, loved the same music (smooth jazz and blues)  AND was damned good in the sack.   Oh...yeah.

So he was a lesbian?   

[240B]

Well, it could be interesting watching all the 'psychotic breaks' (via satellite, of course).

I said it in a sarcastic way but it is a real point. Imagine if Elizabeth Warren got outed as being a White Scandinavian, which she clearly is, after representing herself as a minority Native American. Could she be fired? What about people who represent themselves as Black or Hispanic who are not? Can they be fired? They're also going to find women pretending to be men and men who pretend to be a woman.

This would open up some deep legal issues way outside of any medical concerns. Genetic profiling is as deeply personal and unabridged information about you as it gets.

A Chinese person may find out that they are Korean. A White Supremist may find out that they are Jewish. You can never know what may happen. The information may lead to extortion or possibly blackmail. Who knows?

The results could shatter lives. And all of these issues are well outside of the purview of any employer.

[XenaLee]

Did she really just say that employers want genetic testing for cloning?

What part of that "What if" (indicating pure speculation vs. certainty) are you and Beavis here incapable of comprehending?  (all of it, obviously)

[XenaLee]

So he was a lesbian?   

Lol.....trapped in a good-looking man's body?  No comment....hehehe

[Wingnut]

Lol.....trapped in a good-looking man's body?  No comment....hehehe

Just as I thought!     

[Cyber Liberty]

Get a room!

[INVAR]

Whenever man has the hubris to prance about like you saying he knows the mind of God, it bodes horrifically ill.   

Anyone who actually reads and understands the bible knows the mind of God.

But since you know and understand neither, you are just a pawn of demons.

[INVAR]

Wellness programs are perfectly benign.

Until the government begins mandating and pushing them.

Then they become a tool of genocidal maniacs, to the applause of people like you.

[EC]

Four pages and no one has yet mentioned the biggest non-privacy related problem with this?

Genetic testing is all very well, but it's fairly useless as a medical predictor for all but a handful of conditions. In 95% of cases, genes are paired, at minimum. Which gene(s) gets expressed is random chance, so saying someone has a genetic predisposition to thalasemia, for example, is about as useful as saying they have a chance to be struck by lightning.

About the only thing genetic testing is good for is a breeding chart.

[Frank Cannon]

I've had a lot of genetic issues with my secretary, but the dry cleaners was always able to get them out.

[INVAR]

I've had a lot of genetic issues with my secretary, but the dry cleaners was always able to get them out.

It's too bad for William Jefferson Clinton that Monica Lewinsky didn't know your Dry Cleaners Frank.

[Frank Cannon]

It's too bad for William Jefferson Clinton that Monica Lewinsky didn't know your Dry Cleaners Frank.

Everyone thinks the Chinese run the best dry cleaners. Wrong. It's the Koreans.

[Smokin Joe]

It would appear so. 

The irony is, I know so many employers that really do care about the health of their workforce, and not just to improve the bottom line.

Yadda Yadda yadda. After all the employer has made an investment in training the worker, yadda yadda, and we can't have those people just doing what the hell they want on their OWN time, now, can we?

Do you have any idea how that sounds?

I can understand drug screening--that affects workplace safety, not just employee performance. But if I'm not getting paid, it's MY time, and I'll do with it what I damn well please. Any employer who has a problem with that can kiss my ass.

Employers pay for our time and expertise, not control over every facet of my time. If they want to pay me to piss around on a treadmill, that's one thing. If not, forget it.

[Smokin Joe]

What part of that "What if" (indicating pure speculation vs. certainty) are you and Beavis here incapable of comprehending?  (all of it, obviously)

Not so speculative, actually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_cloning

[Norm Lenhart]

It Might Soon Be Legal for Employers to Force You Into a Genetic Test


Excerpt.  Read more at link.

I don't do 'wellness programs', home owners assocs or any other social control idiocy. If employers want to force this on employees, I don't work for them. Over the course of my life I turned down some high paying jobs specifically because the employment contract would have resulted in things I deemed unacceptable. I made less money but I look at myself in mirrors without recoiling at my visage.

[Quix]

Yo @Quix you see this?

YEAH. Thanks.

VERY sobering, imho.

Sigh.

[Quix]

Yadda Yadda yadda. After all the employer has made an investment in training the worker, yadda yadda, and we can't have those people just doing what the hell they want on their OWN time, now, can we?

Do you have any idea how that sounds?

I can understand drug screening--that affects workplace safety, not just employee performance. But if I'm not getting paid, it's MY time, and I'll do with it what I damn well please. Any employer who has a problem with that can kiss my ass.

Employers pay for our time and expertise, not control over every facet of my time. If they want to pay me to piss around on a treadmill, that's one thing. If not, forget it.

Of course. And AMEN TO THAT!

However,

It is the oligarchy's plan that we more overtly become OWNED PROPERTY of theirs--at least of the various multi-national corporations--as their serfs and more likely slaves. They think the idea of us having our own free will and doing what we want is inefficient as well as a threat to their tyranny, their power.

[Jazzhead]

Yadda Yadda yadda. After all the employer has made an investment in training the worker, yadda yadda, and we can't have those people just doing what the hell they want on their OWN time, now, can we?

Do you have any idea how that sounds?

I can understand drug screening--that affects workplace safety, not just employee performance. But if I'm not getting paid, it's MY time, and I'll do with it what I damn well please. Any employer who has a problem with that can kiss my ass.

Employers pay for our time and expertise, not control over every facet of my time. If they want to pay me to piss around on a treadmill, that's one thing. If not, forget it.

Understood!   You like your freedom and you want to be left alone.    We all do -  but don't let that cloud you to the reality that these are voluntary programs.    Sure,  the employer wants its workforce to be healthy - and lots of employees don't mind getting a discount  on their medical insurance in order to get resources to live healthier.   This isn't tyranny,  it's an employer trying to protect a capital asset. 

We all like a good discount    Well, okay, not all - and that's the point.   These are voluntary programs.   They're linked to discounts on medical insurance,  and hence are plans subject to ERISA,  including strict requirements regarding privacy including that the data can't be used to, say,  get someone fired.

Skyrocketing health care costs ultimately mean fewer jobs.  This is a tool that can work.  If you want to play the curmudgeon,  don't fill out an HRA.     

[Smokin Joe]

Of course. And AMEN TO THAT!

However,

It is the oligarchy's plan that we more overtly become OWNED PROPERTY of theirs--at least of the various multi-national corporations--as their serfs and more likely slaves. They think the idea of us having our own free will and doing what we want is inefficient as well as a threat to their tyranny, their power.

They're right, especially the last part.

What they fail to recognize, is that in some unplanned, non-centrally-controlled, muddling way, humankind has succeeded in making advancements in garages and workshops and homegrown labs, without their central planning, in fact advancements that all too often they railed against, refused to fund research into, that only through the unfailing belief, perseverance, and diligence of their creators were made at all. Impediments are placed in the way whenever possible, from zoning laws to other legal barriers, with excuses from maintaining property values to the public safety.
Of course, the members of the oligarchy commonly and promptly will steal those ideas, once proven, and claim them the result of their personal genius (while the money rolls in).
It is no accident that we have gone from a culture which crafted engines and vehicles in their backyard workshop to people who can't turn a wrench, from scratch building airplanes to wishing for that flying car (maybe in another 50 years), from building our own cars to regulations that won't permit such tinkering because they require systems too complex for the average person to work on.  It's called control, be it economic or intellectual, it all boils down to controlling the worker drones like a piece of production equipment, and will end in the workers being discarded like a piece of worn out machinery when they are no longer useful.

[Smokin Joe]

Understood!   You like your freedom and you want to be left alone.    We all do -  but don't let that cloud you to the reality that these are voluntary programs.    Sure,  the employer wants its workforce to be healthy - and lots of employees don't mind getting a discount  on their medical insurance in order to get resources to live healthier.   This isn't tyranny,  it's an employer trying to protect a capital asset. 

We all like a good discount    Well, okay, not all - and that's the point.   These are voluntary programs.   They're linked to discounts on medical insurance,  and hence are plans subject to ERISA,  including strict requirements regarding privacy including that the data can't be used to, say,  get someone fired.

Skyrocketing health care costs ultimately mean fewer jobs.  This is a tool that can work.  If you want to play the curmudgeon,  don't fill out an HRA.   

Voluntary? Sure, like the income tax. Like Obamacare. Voluntarily lay down and grovel before your masters or feel the lash!
The difference isn't a discount, it is a penalty for those who will not sell their birthright for a mass of pottage.
Skyrocketing health costs are a result of intrusion into the doctor/patient relationship. This is an even more egregious intrusion. As for data being used to get someone fired, well, there is always a way. Ask anyone from one of those protected groups you know and advocate about that and I'm sure they all have a story about being made unwelcome at (or simply removed from) a job in a way that didn't break any laws.
As for privacy, try again. My social security card clearly says that it is for tax purposes only and not for identification. Really? Data, once collected, will be used. Just say no.

[INVAR]

You like your freedom and you want to be left alone.    We all do -  but don't let that cloud you to the reality that these are voluntary programs....This isn't tyranny.....These are voluntary programs...

Our Government and Tyranny Apologist once again showcases his skills at justifying despotism.

You are an idiot if you believe that any program the government touches ever remains 'voluntary'.  Every single time a 'benevolent tax/program/initiative' is enacted, it becomes a permanent mandatory obligation.

The Income Tax was initially voluntary.  Same with SoSec.  In addition to what is always first stated about an eternal government mandate - my SoSec card explicitly states that it cannot be used for identification purposes, and yet you cannot do a thing in this country without one, unless you are an illegal alien.

If Government is involved in ANY capacity - voluntary will always become a mandated obligation and compulsory.

[INVAR]

Voluntary? Sure, like the income tax. Like Obamacare. Voluntarily lay down and grovel before your masters or feel the lash!
The difference isn't a discount, it is a penalty for those who will not sell their birthright for a mass of pottage.
Skyrocketing health costs are a result of intrusion into the doctor/patient relationship. This is an even more egregious intrusion. As for data being used to get someone fired, well, there is always a way. Ask anyone from one of those protected groups you know and advocate about that and I'm sure they all have a story about being made unwelcome at (or simply removed from) a job in a way that didn't break any laws.
As for privacy, try again. My social security card clearly says that it is for tax purposes only and not for identification. Really? Data, once collected, will be used. Just say no.

Sadly I did not read replies past the last justification by our resident Leftist the prompted my above.  Nice to know his comments spurned nearly the same thoughts in rebuttal.

As to your advice to 'just say no' to our cherished Leftist, you and I both know his purpose here is to persuade everyone to say 'yes' to government Socialism, central planning and tyranny in the Name of 'fairness' and 'equality'.

[Smokin Joe]

Sadly I did not read replies past the last justification by our resident Leftist the prompted my above.  Nice to know his comments spurned nearly the same thoughts in rebuttal.

As to your advice to 'just say no' to our cherished Leftist, you and I both know his purpose here is to persuade everyone to say 'yes' to government Socialism, central planning and tyranny in the Name of 'fairness' and 'equality'.

That has been my observation as well. I am having a hard time thinking of a Liberal or Statist or even "private" program (readily adapted for totalitarianism) the poster has advocated against.
It remains to the rest of us then, to point out the fallacies, the threats to liberty, the potential for abuse, or the clear and present abusive of those viewpoints, the inherent danger in things designed to be seductive and presented as wonders to the masses.
Sure, everyone wants a spaceship ride, but there is that cookbook.

I'd recommend reading Childhood's End (Arthur C Clarke) for those who haven't.
Syfy did the story in a three part series as well.

[XenaLee]

Four pages and no one has yet mentioned the biggest non-privacy related problem with this?

Genetic testing is all very well, but it's fairly useless as a medical predictor for all but a handful of conditions. In 95% of cases, genes are paired, at minimum. Which gene(s) gets expressed is random chance, so saying someone has a genetic predisposition to thalasemia, for example, is about as useful as saying they have a chance to be struck by lightning.

About the only thing genetic testing is good for is a breeding chart.

You mean.... like....  for the "mine-shaft gap" scenario?
 
 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybSzoLCCX-Y

[INVAR]

That has been my observation as well. I am having a hard time thinking of a Liberal or Statist or even "private" program (readily adapted for totalitarianism) the poster has advocated against.

Everything antithetical and anathema to Biblical morality and Constitutional Liberty, he is vociferously argumentatively for, and against everything tied to biblical morality and Constitutional limits on Government.  Not to mention his Apologetics for Islam and his numerous stated hatreds and attacks on Christianity and the bible - which he has declared 'a myth'.

[XenaLee]

Not so speculative, actually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_cloning

There is no way in hell that they can state that accurately.

...but is not in medical practice anywhere in the world, as of January 2017.

In fact, I would bet money that some evil loon/wacko somewhere is trying to clone humans as we speak.  The "evil" demands it (slave labor workforce and army), dontcha know.  Think:  Mengele.