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Mass Grave Found At Ex-Catholic Orphanage In Ireland
« on: March 03, 2017, 11:53:25 pm »
Mass Grave Found At Ex-Catholic Orphanage In Ireland
March 3, 2017 10:53 AM
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DUBLIN (AP) – Forensics experts say they have found a mass grave for young children at a former Catholic orphanage in Ireland where suspicions of unrecorded, unmarked burials have lingered for decades.

Friday’s announcement by the government-appointed Mother and Baby Homes Commission confirms a 2014 investigation by a local historian who found death certificates for nearly 800 children who died at the home in Tuam, County Galway, from its opening in 1925 to its 1961 closure.

The commission says excavations at the site from November to January found an underground structure divided into 20 chambers containing “significant quantities of human remains.”

It says DNA analysis of selected remains confirmed the ages of the dead ranged from 35 weeks to 3 years old and were buried when the orphanage was operating.

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Re: Mass Grave Found At Ex-Catholic Orphanage In Ireland
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2017, 11:55:55 pm »
Tuam babies mass grave: 'Significant quantities' of human remains found in orphanage sewage chamber
Discovery comes amid probe into burial of 800 babies and infants.

By Paul Wright
    March 3, 2017 17:27 GMT

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A significant number of human remains – thought to be mostly babies and infants – have been found in a sewage chamber at the site of a former Catholic orphanage in Ireland.

The discovery at the Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home site in Tuam, Co Galway, was made by investigators probing allegations that up to 800 babies had been buried in a mass grave there.
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The judge-led Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes began excavating the site in October of last year.

It said on Friday (3 March) it was "shocked" by the discovery of "significant quantities of human remains" in 17 of 20 underground chambers believed to have been used for sewage or waste water.

It added: "These remains involved a number of individuals with age-at-death ranges from approximately 35 foetal weeks to two to three years.

"The Commission is shocked by this discovery and is continuing its investigation into who was responsible for the disposal of human remains in this way."

The remains were found to have been mostly buried in the 1950s, when the home, run by the Bon Secours nuns, was one of about 10 institutions in Ireland offering shelter to orphans and unmarried mothers and their children.

Branded "fallen women", the mothers were separated from their children who were raised by nuns until they could be adopted.

A child died nearly every two weeks at the Bon Secours home between the mid-1920s and 1960s, records show. The cause of deaths listed were commonly sickness or malnutrition. The home closed in 1961.  ...
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Re: Mass Grave Found At Ex-Catholic Orphanage In Ireland
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2017, 12:02:29 am »
Tuam babies: PR chief Terry Prone: ‘there appears to be a lot more to it’
Communications Clinic acts for Bon Secours religious order at centre of the investigation
37 minutes ago - Irish Times

The head of a PR company who appeared to play down concerns surrounding the mother-and-baby home in Tuam two years ago has conceded there now “appears to be a whole lot more to it”.

Terry Prone, whose company The Communications Clinic acts for the Bon Secours religious order at the centre of the investigation, wrote to a French TV company when the issue first arose saying they would find “no mass grave” at the Tuam home.

“If you come here you’ll find no mass grave, no evidence that children were ever so buried and a local police force casting their eyes to heaven and saying, ‘Yeah a few bones were found – but this was an area where famine victims were buried. So?’,” Ms Prone wrote to the France 2 documentary producer who had contacted the order looking for information on the subject.

She continued: “Several international TV stations have aborted their plans to make documentaries because essentially all that can be said is Ireland in the first half of the 20th century was a moralistic, inward looking, anti-feminist country of exaggerated religiosity which most of us knew already.”

The content of the letter, which originally came to light in 2014, was again the subject of comment on Friday in the wake of the announcement by the Mother and Baby Homes Commission of Investigation that “significant quantities” of foetal remains had been found at the Tuam site.

When contacted by The Irish Times, the Communications Clinic said Ms Prone had no further comment on the subject.

On Friday morning on RTÉ radio, Ms Prone said there now appeared to be “a whole lot more to” the situation than was apparent at the time of her letter.

“Nobody expected the kind of numbers that are being revealed today. Clearly there was extensive burial,” she said on the Today with Sean O’Rourke programme.

“I am fascinated by the commission’s use of the phrase ‘in this way’ because it sounds as if it was a disrespectful mass burial rather than proper burial, which I don’t know what to make of that.”

Ms Prone said various questions now arose including whether the number of children who died was “disproportionate to the number of children and toddlers who would have been dying in the ordinary population at this time?

“And one other thing, what did they die of? Was it malnutrition, was it lack of care? What was it that killed the children?”
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Re: Mass Grave Found At Ex-Catholic Orphanage In Ireland
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2017, 12:25:34 am »
I read about this on the BBC. We'll have to see what this all entails.

This is part of that story from a few years ago but I don't want to comment until I read more.

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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2017, 01:10:06 am »
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Mass graves are found in disused sewers at a former Catholic home for unmarried mothers in Ireland following decades of suspicion that hundreds of babies were buried in unmarked sites

    Remains found at Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home in County Galway, Ireland
    There could be as many as 800 dead, ranging from 35 weeks to three years old
    The bodies may have been placed in an old sewer, which was disused in 1937
    In the 1970s, local boys found a pile of bones in an underground chamber


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4278876/Mass-grave-former-Catholic-mother-baby-home.html

Those boys found bones back in the '70s per above or we might not know of this.

Pictures at link.

Sun coverage: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3004949/mass-grave-containing-remains-of-babies-discovered-in-sewage-tank-at-notorious-mother-and-baby-home-where-800-children-died/
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'VERY DISTURBING' Mass grave containing remains of babies discovered in sewage tank at notorious mother and baby home where ‘800 children died’

Those involved in the find said: "We will honour their memory and make sure that we take the right actions now to treat their remains appropriately"
By John Shammas
3rd March 2017, 4:44 pm
Updated: 3rd March 2017, 10:50 pm

A MASS grave thought to contain the remains of babies and young children has been discovered at a former Catholic orphanage in Ireland where almost 800 perished in deaths that were never documented.

The Mother and Baby Homes Commission said excavations since November at the site of the former Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home in Tuam, County Galway, had made disturbing discoveries.

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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2017, 01:11:41 am »
I think the first time this was reported about 3 years ago, some explanation was trotted out... I forget, they said it was exaggerated or animal bones or the like. We'll have to see how the church responds because they did last time.

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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2017, 02:43:49 am »
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Tuam mass infant grave is confirmed, now what are we going to do about it?
Cahir O'Doherty @randomirish March 04, 2017 07:01 AM

Dr James Smith of the Justice for the Magdalenes Group told IrishCentral that yesterday’s announcement was only the beginning.

“The Justice for Magdalenes research group and its partner group Adoption Rights Alliance have documented that there were roughly 180 institutions associated with the care and provision of services to unmarried mothers and their children, so the story is much wider than the Commission's’ current investigation.” 

Continued: http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/cahirodoherty/tuam-mass-infant-grave-is-confirmed-now-what-are-we-going-to-do-about-it

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http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2017/0304/Why-an-orphanage-s-mass-grave-controversy-strikes-such-a-chord-in-Ireland

Suspicions of mass graves at the site got their start in 2014 when a local historian, Catherine Corless, tracked down some 800 death certificates for children residing at the orphanage, but only one corresponding burial record.

In 1975, Ms. Corless found, two boys playing at the site of the former home fell into what had once been a septic tank and stumbled upon children’s skeletons there. She later obtained records from the county dating back to the 1970s, when the town council built an estate over an area marked on maps from the time as a “burial ground”, reported the Guardian in 2014.