White House Prepares For Trade War, Warns US "Will Not Be Bound By WTO Decisions"

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

You do realize that all that automation has to be maintained and controlled by PEOPLE don't you?

There's flip side to that.

The Automation glitch can also result in Increased manufacturing Output by those workers who will be needed to maintain and control it.

The ability to produce more, once the automation becomes Affordable, can also create more jobs by increasing our manufacturing output. It's a see saw. It doesn't have to be all one or the other.

If we produce more, at Competitive prices, we will Sell more throughout more sectors. New, as yet un-invented products the average working Joe will purchase for his own home and family.

We can be producing (here's the important part) a Wider Variety of consumer goods than we can now.

Automation doesn't have to become a Skynet Economic Terminator for workers.

[kevindavis007]

There's flip side to that.

The Automation glitch can also result in Increased manufacturing Output by those workers who will be needed to maintain and control it.

The ability to produce more, once the automation becomes Affordable, can also create more jobs by increasing our manufacturing output. It's a see saw. It doesn't have to be all one or the other.

If we produce more, at Competitive prices, we will Sell more throughout more sectors. New, as yet un-invented products the average working Joe will purchase for his own home and family.

We can be producing (here's the important part) a Wider Variety of consumer goods than we can now.

Automation doesn't have to become a Skynet Economic Terminator for workers.

Again the days of having armies of people working in factories for the rest of their lives is over or just about over.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Again the days of having armies of people working in factories for the rest of their lives is over or just about over.

Back in the 90's I had a factory job. Worse job ever.

[geronl]

Only because you have NO idea as to what the hell you are talking about and simply refuse to correct that!

I know what they are. I think they are badly flawed ideas from the ground up. A VAT is usually added at every stage of production, making most of it a hidden tax to the final consumer too.

The whole idea of "Fair Tax", I read the proposal way back when it was first out, was loosely based on the idea of a "Basic Guaranteed Income". That is why the Fair Tax is not a tax cut and "revenue neutral", it is still progressive (those that paid least get more, those who paid more get less, those that paid nothing get something). It's like renaming the chairs on the Titanic as it sinks. On top of that, the idea that the government should be sending everybody a check is insane.

You do understand what happens when large groups of people get checks from the government, don't you? Look at the resistance to repealing ObamaCare or any of the many, many welfare programs out there. Or even the idea of reforming Social Security and Medicare, you get millions of people angry just for bringing it up.

"Don't you dare touch mine!"

So some numb-skulls want to get literally everyone on this wagon train and the purpose will be what it always is, control.

Thanks for reminding me why I had you on ignore.

[kevindavis007]

Back in the 90's I had a factory job. Worse job ever.

I had a grandfather who worked in a factory and barley made a living.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I had a grandfather who worked in a factory and barley made a living.

Working on a line is mind numbing work. I don't know how anyone could stand it. Apparently the company had to use temp labor because nobody would last more than a few weeks.

[Bigun]

I know what they are. I think they are badly flawed ideas from the ground up. A VAT is usually added at every stage of production, making most of it a hidden tax to the final consumer too.

Right on that!

The whole idea of "Fair Tax", I read the proposal way back when it was first out, was loosely based on the idea of a "Basic Guaranteed Income".

Completely and totally wrong on this!  The fairtax is based TOTALLY on the idea of getting rid of the current MARXIST tax system we suffer and returning to the EXACT form of taxation our founders universally endorsed!  Taxes on articles of consumption only and passing it into law is the ONLY way we are ever again going to be a truly FREE people!

[kevindavis007]

Working on a line is mind numbing work. I don't know how anyone could stand it. Apparently the company had to use temp labor because nobody would last more than a few weeks.

My dad tried to work in factory for a bit. He couldn't handle it.. I don't bemoan those who work at the factory, but you are right it is mind numbing work.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Read the US Trade with Japan report.

I raised the argument to a supporter of the Status Quo that as an Apology for winning WWII, to Japan, we Gave them our manufacturing base.

He rationalized it by saying it was a good idea since by doing it, we Bought Peace for 70 years because Japan demilitarized.

There is no reason the US should be assuming any portion of Japan's Defense Costs.

They are well capable of paying it themselves.

The argument that they demilitarized in trade for our consumer manufacturing base is prima facia ridiculous.

Let's look at WWII Germany for perspective.

Hitler's machine produced tanks. Who built them?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Porsche

What companies produced American tanks?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18_Hellcat

Buick built over 2500 M18 Hellcat Tank Destroyers and Chrysler built the Sherman.

What company supplied Browning .50 caliber machine guns for us in WWII?

(from the sidebar under Production History)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning

"General Motors Corporation (Frigidaire, AC Spark Plug, Saginaw Steering, and Brown-Lipe-Chappin Divisions)"

A Refrigerator maker

Back to Japan

Look at all the cars, trucks, and heavy construction equipment Japan makes and exports.

IF, they wanted to re Militarize, they already have the Consumer segment Manufacturing Facilities to do so in a matter of months. It's just a simple matter of re-tooling the assembly plants We helped them acquire, and support with our money by buying their output, while being blocked at turn after turn from exporting Our products into their country.

Porsche 911, Boxster, or Tiger Tank?

Mitsubishi cars and bulldozers, or Mitsubishi Zero?


Free Trade? The current model is costing us far more than import tariffs going Both ways would.

How much money has the Marshal Plan screwed us for, playing at being the world's police force, since 1945?

Reagan put the quietus to the argument that we had to spend our money to defend the world from the Soviet Union by hardening an Export Ban on Dual Use Technology from Europe to Russia. That's all it took. Collapse. Boom.

Totalitarian Regimes can't support themselves without Western Capital.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Again the days of having armies of people working in factories for the rest of their lives is over or just about over.

Make it a pre requisite for EBT cards. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

But it's OK to consume what factories produce, like I Phones and TVs, and Cars etc., so long as they're produced by Slaves in China. Just let's not do it here, because Americans like us deserve better.

What's wrong with the idea of factory work as a Starting Job, and then bettering yourself into a non factory job?

[dfwgator]

Read the US Trade with Japan report.

I raised the argument to a supporter of the Status Quo that as an Apology for winning WWII, to Japan, we Gave them our manufacturing base.

He rationalized it by saying it was a good idea since by doing it, we Bought Peace for 70 years because Japan demilitarized.

There is no reason the US should be assuming any portion of Japan's Defense Costs.

They are well capable of paying it themselves.

The argument that they demilitarized in trade for our consumer manufacturing base is prima facia ridiculous.

Let's look at WWII Germany for perspective.

Hitler's machine produced tanks. Who built them?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Porsche

What companies produced American tanks?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18_Hellcat

Buick built over 2500 M18 Hellcat Tank Destroyers and Chrysler built the Sherman.

What company supplied Browning .50 caliber machine guns for us in WWII?

(from the sidebar under Production History)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning

"General Motors Corporation (Frigidaire, AC Spark Plug, Saginaw Steering, and Brown-Lipe-Chappin Divisions)"

A Refrigerator maker

Back to Japan

Look at all the cars, trucks, and heavy construction equipment Japan makes and exports.

IF, they wanted to re Militarize, they already have the Consumer segment Manufacturing Facilities to do so in a matter of months. It's just a simple matter of re-tooling the assembly plants We helped them acquire, and support with our money by buying their output, while being blocked at turn after turn from exporting Our products into their country.

Porsche 911, Boxster, or Tiger Tank?

Mitsubishi cars and bulldozers, or Mitsubishi Zero?


Free Trade? The current model is costing us far more than import tariffs going Both ways would.

How much money has the Marshal Plan screwed us for, playing at being the world's police force, since 1945?

Reagan put the quietus to the argument that we had to spend our money to defend the world from the Soviet Union by hardening an Export Ban on Dual Use Technology from Europe to Russia. That's all it took. Collapse. Boom.

Totalitarian Regimes can't support themselves without Western Capital.

Imagine if we had outsourced to Japan in the 20s and 30s like we are to China today.

[kevindavis007]

Make it a pre requisite for EBT cards. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

But it's OK to consume what factories produce, like I Phones and TVs, and Cars etc., so long as they're produced by Slaves in China. Just let's not do it here, because Americans like us deserve better.

What's wrong with the idea of factory work as a Starting Job, and then bettering yourself into a non factory job?

So you are upset that people actually get a good price of an iPhone?? 


I didn't start in the factory.. I prefer white collar work.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

So you are upset that people actually get a good price of an iPhone?? 


I didn't start in the factory.. I prefer white collar work.

I've actually had 2 factory jobs. One was as an electroplater's assistance. Spent all day dipping baskets of lead telephone pieces into boiling vats of acid (with metal dissolved into it, IOW electroplating).


Fun job? 


That was at least more interesting than the job I had making perfume bottles.


Also spent a day filling bottles of cleaning alcohol.

[Rivergirl]

That's DT's M.O.   Make  a deal sign a contract, and then break the deal and throw out the contract.
NEVER EVER EVER TRUMP

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

So you are upset that people actually get a good price of an iPhone?? 


I didn't start in the factory.. I prefer white collar work.

The price of an I Phone?

How about our money, Any Amount of It, even 1 Red Cent, keeping the people of China enslaved so that we can enjoy affordable I Phones?

We are NOT Trading with the Chinese People.

We are supporting the Chi Com Party and Chi Com Military.

But the argument devolves to the price of an I Phone?

STOP trading with their Masters and their Masters go broke.

The people, the Serfs of China, will bring Chinese Communism down all on their own.

As for the price of a cell phone, Jeezus H, . . . review my above arguments concerning automation, corporate income taxes, et al.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

We are supporting the Chi Com Party and Chi Com Military.

I could agree with this argument against trade with China, but if we put a protectionist wall against China:


1) they will trade with others and their capabilities will grow regardless or


2) Things will get really bad in china, and we'll get an even worse regime in there like NOrth Korea (btw the only Autarky state on earth at the moment)

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

I could agree with this argument against trade with China, but if we put a protectionist wall against China:


1) they will trade with others and their capabilities will grow regardless or


2) Things will get really bad in china, and we'll get an even worse regime in there like NOrth Korea (btw the only Autarky state on earth at the moment)

Look at what Our money is actually buying, in trade for affordable cell phones.

China Unveils New Ballistic Missile Capable of Hitting Taiwan, US Bases In Asia

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-06/china-unveils-new-ballistic-missile-capable-threatening-taiwan-us-bases-asia

New Chinese Submarine Armed With Nukes Capable of Hitting America Surfaces

http://www.weaselzippers.us/319252-new-secret-chinese-submarine-armed-with-nukes-capable-of-hitting-america-surfaces/

China's New Submarines Could Create Problems For The US NAVY

http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-new-submarines-can-carry-the-greatest-threat-to-the-us-navy-2015-4

And like I said about the Marshal Plan Buying us Peace?

Well, trading with China Killed That one, at least with Japan.

Quiet Since WWII, Japan Begins $44 Billion Re Militarization To Confront China

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-23/quiet-wwii-japan-begins-44-billion-re-militarization-confront-china

So we Bribed Japan not to re militarize. Gave them a Huge sector of our own economy, and here we are holding our you know what in our hands with egg on our faces as they've Both taken us to the Outhouse in an ongoing Trade War Against US since 1945.

WAR does not have to accomplished with guns and planes and etc etc.

One nation can destroy/conquer another nation in a number of ways.

Sacking your opponents coffers and stealing him blind is one of them.

Look up the term Asymmetric Warfare.


Just stop feeding them. The Communist State will implode.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-27/half-all-global-debt-created-2005-was-china-here-are-implications
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-24/beijing-responds-trump-charge-china-grand-champion-currency-manipulation