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The Internet is slowly making them obsolete and we can get real news with a few finger strokes.

Small problem.

Who gathers the news you can get with a few finger strokes?

People are lazy. They aren't going to make much effort to do so, unless their own ox has been gored - which gives you a million heavily biased sources, instead of just a few.
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But why mention the press at all? I'm of the school when your opposition is killing themselves, just stand back and let it happen. The best way to weaken and marginalize them further is to ignore them and go straight to the public. Reagan did that and did it successfully.We can rant against the press because none of us hold high office. In 2020, Trump will be either voted out of office or re elected based on how the public at large feels things are going regardless what the press says about him and the general public has become more aware how the press operates. They are losing power to influence and this election woke them up to that fact. 

I think when Trump goes into these rants about the press he gives them power over him...IMHO

I wasn't speaking primarily about Trump's excoriation of the press, but about the reflexive gainsaying of anything he says or does by those of conservative leaning who didn't support him during the presidential race.  It's an emotional response rather than an intellectual one.  We should all be observing what he says and does and evaluating it based on our beliefs and understanding of the world rather than on our feelings about the person who said or did it.  If you're still butthurt about Trump, I say stop whining and man up.  Hold his feet to the fire when he screws up, but have the decency to admit it when he does something right.
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Small problem.

Who gathers the news you can get with a few finger strokes?

People are lazy. They aren't going to make much effort to do so, unless their own ox has been gored - which gives you a million heavily biased sources, instead of just a few.

I would love to see a prime-time news hour featuring BOTH the Socialist Democrat position AND the GOP position on each and every news item worthy of reporting.

....like the old "Point-Counterpoint" weekend evening political discussion show.   Or, like Jane Curtain and Dan Akroyd.   :laugh:
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Citizens calling out a biased media is not the same as a politician, especially the highest political office of our land, calling out biased media. It's a little too totalitarian for my taste. Not to mention that the current MSM is going the way of buggy whip manufacturers. Their current tactics are merely death throes. The Internet is slowly making them obsolete and we can get real news with a few finger strokes. When Trump Tweets or talks about the MSM, he's merely prolonging their existence. He just needs to let them die.

Using the "Bully Pulpit' is not totalitarian.  And that's all Trump is doing, nothing more, nothing less.

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I would love to see a prime-time news hour featuring BOTH the Socialist Democrat position AND the GOP position on each and every news item worthy of reporting.

....like the old "Point-Counterpoint" weekend evening political discussion show.   Or, like Jane Curtain and Dan Akroyd.   :laugh:

Within two weeks whoever was presenting the conservative side would be dismissed as a RINO at best, a secret commie at worst.  :tongue2:
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But why mention the press at all? I'm of the school when your opposition is killing themselves, just stand back and let it happen. The best way to weaken and marginalize them further is to ignore them and go straight to the public. Reagan did that and did it successfully.We can rant against the press because none of us hold high office. In 2020, Trump will be either voted out of office or re elected based on how the public at large feels things are going regardless what the press says about him and the general public has become more aware how the press operates. They are losing power to influence and this election woke them up to that fact. 

I think when Trump goes into these rants about the press he gives them power over him...IMHO

Jefferson mentions that those who buy what they're selling are as good as writing it themselves.

it seems to escape them that it is not he who prints, but he who pays for printing a slander, who is it’s real author.

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/99-01-02-5737


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Using the "Bully Pulpit' is not totalitarian.  And that's all Trump is doing, nothing more, nothing less.


He sounds exactly like a dictator to me with that quote. I doubt few would disagree with me.

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I wasn't speaking primarily about Trump's excoriation of the press, but about the reflexive gainsaying of anything he says or does by those of conservative leaning who didn't support him during the presidential race.  It's an emotional response rather than an intellectual one.  We should all be observing what he says and does and evaluating it based on our beliefs and understanding of the world rather than on our feelings about the person who said or did it.  If you're still butthurt about Trump, I say stop whining and man up.  Hold his feet to the fire when he screws up, but have the decency to admit it when he does something right.


Who says I don't do that? I've posted many positive articles over the week, barely got any response.


I'm not going to shut up when he does something stupid.

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I'm not a collective "People".

I don't believe that Norm directed that comment specifically to you.  Yet.... you took it that way.

Hmmm.....
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Who says I don't do that? I've posted many positive articles over the week, barely got any response.


I'm not going to shut up when he does something stupid.

And you shouldn't.  It's considered patriotic to question and/or criticize the president for something stupid he says or does.  Remember the screeching Hillary meme?  (shudder)

The problem comes into play when every single thing he says or does is 'deemed' stupid by those that hate him.  JS....
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Who says I don't do that? I've posted many positive articles over the week, barely got any response.


I'm not going to shut up when he does something stupid.

Hmmm.  I never mentioned any names, but you assume this was pointed at you.  Hit the target, eh?  "Throw a rock into a pack of dogs — the hit dog will holler every time." 
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Hmmm.  I never mentioned any names, but you assume this was pointed at you.  Hit the target, eh?  "Throw a rock into a pack of dogs — the hit dog will holler every time."


You commented on my thread. Reasonable assumption no?

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I don't believe that Norm directed that comment specifically to you.  Yet.... you took it that way.

Hmmm.....

If the shoe fits....you can't acquit!   

Or something like that.    :laugh:
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You commented on my thread. Reasonable assumption no?

Actually, I commented on Norm Lenhart's post.  So reasonable assumption, no.  But still, you took it to heart.  Look inward...
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The last President that took on the media was Nixon and Nixon loss.


Sorry this war on the Media is getting old, and Trump should focus on being the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES and represent ALL AMERICANS.
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I don't believe that Norm directed that comment specifically to you.  Yet.... you took it that way.

Hmmm.....

I directed that comment at EVERYONE displaying that behavior. Because unfortunately it applies to far too many people across conservatism, here and everywhere else, to need specifics. I didn't make any of them adopt situational ethics as a replacement for conservative principle. If they have a problem with the comment, the problem isn't with me or the comment itself since the comment is factual. The problem is with their belief structure.

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The last President that took on the media was Nixon and Nixon loss.


Nixon was a Pu$$y.  He folded like a cheap Walmart Lawn chair.

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In the words of Steve Deace---when Trump rails against fake news, remember that he pushed it himself when it served him to do so:





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Small problem.

Who gathers the news you can get with a few finger strokes?

People are lazy. They aren't going to make much effort to do so, unless their own ox has been gored - which gives you a million heavily biased sources, instead of just a few.
Little people can cover newsworthy events.

Citizens don't need $multimillion "newscasters' and "analysts" to explain it to them

Especially when they pros are going to distort, twist, invent news.
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Little people can cover newsworthy events.

Citizens don't need $multimillion "newscasters' and "analysts" to explain it to them

Especially when they pros are going to distort, twist, invent news.

Let me know when you find a good, reliable "little person" to visit and report from Syria, or who can arrange an interview with, say, the Secretary of the Treasury.

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Let me know when you find a good, reliable "little person" to visit and report from Syria, or who can arrange an interview with, say, the Secretary of the Treasury.

We have neither of those things with the MSM now. The MSM makes up storylines, not reports news. In Syria, when interviewing leaders etc.

We as a public are going to get closer to truth by 'little people' becoming trustworthy through accurate reporting. they do enough of it, they become 'big media' themselves.

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Today, the news media think that they are the government, and in many instances, they are, or have been. In any event, our news media are integral to the power structure of our Federal government, and having abandoned their original mission, no longer act in the service of the people, but in pursuit of their own advantages. 

Donald Trump understands little of this, sadly, and is content to oppose them simply because they oppose him. The result for conservatives may be satisfactory in the short term, but it will not solve the problem of the Progressive capture of our cultural institutions, and might well retard the development of an effective opposition.

What's your fantasy of an effective opposition?  Yes, Donald hates them because they hate him and, yes, he's Donald but, hey,  it's a start and a lot of people are cheering him on.
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What we call the mainstream media is becoming less and less mainstream. It now has become a wing of the DNC. But they have learned they can push Trump's buttons. So, by him attacking them the way he does he gives them a sort of power over him.

I'm not sure what kind of power you think Trump gives the press by attacking them.  I think it may wake them up a little because they realize they're dealing with someone who is willing to make a fool of himself (if that's what you want to call it) by calling them out.

More people hate the press than hate lawyers now and a lot of them are saying 'amen' even if Donald is not their favorite person.
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Frankly I think Jefferson nailed it when he said he would prefer his hated press without government because the press is powerless. In fact, the press has never been more powerless than they are now in the face of a completely anarchist internet.

Its a fantasy to believe we're going to effect any changes in the media without some kind of totalitarian destruction of our rights. I'm sure some will declare that the press isn't a person and doesn't have rights but any restrictions of the press will eventually be applied to the individual.

Those who say that such totalitarianism can't happen here need only go back to the Wilson era when interestingly enough, the "correct" press had a literal tie to government by way of the Committee on public information" and the press that didn't support the Wilson government was shut down often through violence. Pseudo govt/vigilante groups like the American Protective league "arrested" thousands of people few of which were ever charged but the effect was chilling. Being overheard complaining about Woodrow Wilson and WWI was enough to get dragged out of a restaurant and dragged to the nearest police station for interrogation on their anti American activities.

I don't agree with everything you said but one thing was true and paramount.  The Internet and social media including Twitter and Facebook and, well, sites like this one, kind of give Power to the People and weaken the absolute tyranny of the press.  Walter Cronkite used to be God but that would never fly in the current era.
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I wasn't speaking primarily about Trump's excoriation of the press, but about the reflexive gainsaying of anything he says or does by those of conservative leaning who didn't support him during the presidential race.  It's an emotional response rather than an intellectual one.  We should all be observing what he says and does and evaluating it based on our beliefs and understanding of the world rather than on our feelings about the person who said or did it.  If you're still butthurt about Trump, I say stop whining and man up.  Hold his feet to the fire when he screws up, but have the decency to admit it when he does something right.

Amen, brother.  I've lost friends here and elsewhere by making this point.  It's is almost reflexive for some to criticize Trump and those same people are never there to acknowledge the good things he has done because they cannot let go of their hatred for 5 seconds.
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