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Beware Triggering the Coup Theory
« on: February 15, 2017, 04:46:22 pm »
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/beware-triggering-the-coup-theory/


Both sides need to cool it IMO.


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The result might well be violence. Not rhetorical violence. Actual violence. Actual political violence. Actual conflicts between anti-Trumpers and Trumpers. At demonstrations. In the streets. Of our cities. Political violence of a sort we haven’t seen in 50 years, and maybe haven’t really seen in this country in the modern era. Those who believe Trump is a unique menace whose threat to our democratic way of life will be met with those who believe the elites are using illicit means to oust the legitimately elected president of the United States.
[/size]This is not a fantasy. This is one possible future. And every rational person who cares about the future of the country should be mindful of it, and should work to forestall it.[/color]

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Re: Beware Triggering the Coup Theory
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2017, 04:48:02 pm »
Crazy talk. 

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Re: Beware Triggering the Coup Theory
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2017, 04:50:16 pm »
Turmoil and chaos is EXACTLY what the progressives want.  You must break it before you can rebuild it.
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Re: Beware Triggering the Coup Theory
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2017, 04:53:05 pm »
I think that could possibly happen. 
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Re: Beware Triggering the Coup Theory
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2017, 04:54:06 pm »
Crazy talk.

According to you, yes.  Better get my tin foil hat ready then, right?
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Re: Beware Triggering the Coup Theory
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2017, 04:58:22 pm »
Crazy talk.

You can follow it on twitter with this hashtag #TrumpImpeachmentParty Oh and they want Pence's head too.
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Re: Beware Triggering the Coup Theory
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2017, 06:35:48 pm »
There is a greater danger today than in the recent past: not only is the SJW Left committed to "tearing it all down", many among the Steve Bannon alt-Right appear to be of the same mind.

It won't work. Because the more immediate problem for the new team involves poor comprehension of the Washington political culture and departmental organization, inadequate planning, sloppy communication, and thoughtless execution. One might reasonably have expected more from a team that openly brags of its business acumen. 

The Federal government's bureaucracies have been stocked over the past eight years with many thousands of Progressive activists, who are deeply entwined with the left-wing infrastructure of issue groups, foundations, academics, and media organizations, together constituting a "Deep State". In turn, this permanent state exists in a mutually-supportive relationship with the mainstream news media, whose members move both in and out of the government, maintaining and nurturing their relationships in support of the Progressive cause.

At the same time, Barack Obama and many of the former members of his Administration effectively continue at work in Washington, as well as his own perpetual campaign organization, now known as Organizing for Action, which is both familiar with and concordant with the interests of the bureaucracy and the media./     

This is what Trump's minions (outsiders all) are up against, and it is glaringly obvious they have not a clue as to the scope of the challenges or how to strategize to overcome them.
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Re: Beware Triggering the Coup Theory
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2017, 06:37:17 pm »
You can follow it on twitter with this hashtag #TrumpImpeachmentParty Oh and they want Pence's head too.

And, not Paul Ryan's?  Interesting.

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Re: Beware Triggering the Coup Theory
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2017, 06:38:36 pm »
According to you, yes.  Better get my tin foil hat ready then, right?

If you want to, that's your prerogative. 

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Re: Beware Triggering the Coup Theory
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2017, 07:02:51 pm »
As if Trump wouldn't relish the opportunity to declare martial law? He's got no one in his inner circle that is able to say "No" to him.
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Re: Beware Triggering the Coup Theory
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2017, 07:10:52 pm »
As if Trump wouldn't relish the opportunity to declare martial law? He's got no one in his inner circle that is able to say "No" to him.


requires Congress I believe. I believe the constitution says habeas corpus may be suspended in times of rebellion or invasion. I hope it would not come to that.

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Re: Beware Triggering the Coup Theory
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2017, 07:29:11 pm »
Crazy talk.

I think it is way too premature, but crazy?  Not any crazier than Trump himself, and I believe the man to be certifiable.

Assuming Flynn and several others high up in the campaign were in some collusion with the Russians to hack the Democrats and use the information to affect the outcome of the election, would that be impeachable?  Probably not.  But if such evidence came out, would it be enough to cause rioting in the streets when congress failed to impeach?  Maybe so.  Particularly if Trump's personal fingerprints are to be found anywhere.

There is a name for Socialists with no power: Bolsheviks.  They are a far greater threat to our republic than the far right ever could be.
   

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Re: Beware Triggering the Coup Theory
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2017, 07:39:07 pm »
You all want a shitstorm? Imagine if Trump did this:


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On April 27, 1861, the right of habeas corpus was unilaterally suspended by President Abraham Lincoln in Maryland during the American Civil War. Lincoln had received word that anti-war Maryland officials intended to destroy the railroad tracks between Annapolis and Philadelphia, which was a vital supply line for the army preparing to fight the south. (Indeed, soon after, the Maryland legislature would simultaneously vote to stay in the Union and to close these rail lines, in an apparent effort to prevent war between its northern and southern neighbors.[9]) Lincoln did not issue a sweeping order; it only applied to the Maryland route.[10] Lincoln chose to suspend the writ over a proposal to bombard Baltimore, favored by his General-in-Chief Winfield Scott.[11] Lincoln was also motivated by requests by generals to set up military courts to rein in his political opponents, "Copperheads," or Peace Democrats, so named because they did not want to resort to war to force the southern states back into the Union, as well as to intimidate those in the Union who supported the Confederate cause. Congress was not yet in session to consider a suspension of the writs; however, when it came into session it failed to pass a bill favored by Lincoln to sanction his suspensions.[12]During this period one sitting U.S. Congressman from the opposing party, as well the mayor, police chief, entire Board of Police, and the city council of Baltimore were arrested without charge and imprisoned indefinitely without trial.[13][/size][/font]
[/size]Lincoln's action was rapidly challenged in court and overturned by the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Maryland (led by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Roger B. Taney) in Ex Parte Merryman.[/i] Chief Justice Taney ruled the suspension unconstitutional, stating that only Congress could suspend habeas corpus.[14] Lincoln and his Attorney General Edward Bates not only ignored the Chief Justice's order,[15] but when Lincoln's dismissal of the ruling was criticized in an editorial by prominent Baltimore newspaper editor Frank Key Howard, they had the editor also arrested by federal troops without charge or trial. Ironically, the troops imprisoned Howard, who was Francis Scott Key's grandson, in Fort McHenry, which, as he noted, was the same fort where the Star Spangled Banner had been waving "o'er the land of the free" in his grandfather's song.[16] (In 1863 Howard wrote about his experience as a "political prisoner" at Fort McHenry in the book Fourteen Months in the American Bastille;[16] two of the publishers selling the book were then arrested.[13])[/size][/font]