With Latest Angry Tweet, Trumps Sets Off On Violent "Collision Course" With Supreme Court

[XenaLee]

Which prompts me to ask.... are you simply incapable of conducting a civil conversation?

Really: is there no way for you to discuss this topic in an intelligent and thoughtful way, that does not involve questioning the guy's loyalty to the USA?

Are you?  Prove it.

[r9etb]

Are you?  Prove it.

sigh.....   

[beandog]

Are you?  Prove it.

[XenaLee]

Which requires a commitment of military forces to secure the territory.

Currently, the US really doesn't want 'boots on the ground' in Syria.

It wouldn't have to be "in Syria".  There are other refugee camps in and around Syria that could be expanded to accommodate more refugees.  That said.... if we just went over and kicked ISIS's @ss, the problem would be solved.  Right? 

[r9etb]

I've never understood why both parties are taking such extreme positions on the refugee issue.  Obama and his "vetting" process was a joke, but our reaction was just as much a joke with the "ban them all from coming".

That was Trump's big mistake, of course.  He just tossed it out there without warning or preparation, and of course chaos was the result.  Another couple of weeks wouldn't have made any difference, and he could profitably have used the time to allow agencies and organizations to prepare for it.

And for this I'm called a snowflake, a SJW, a Muslim, a socialist, a communist, etc.

Take it for what it's worth ... nothing at all. 

[EC]

It wouldn't have to be "in Syria".  There are other refugee camps in and around Syria that could be expanded to accommodate more refugees.

Really? Seems to me you are being awfully free with other people's territory here.

[INVAR]

I've never understood why both parties are taking such extreme positions on the refugee issue. 

Because you do not understand Islam apparently.  We have absolutely NO responsibility whatsoever to allow ANYONE from a war zone between a despotic secular tyrant and ISIS Caliphate soldiers to come in here and live off the taxpayer while refusing to assimilate into an American culture.

They are refugees coming from a warzone.  We should welcome them, for the alternative is death. 

You're advocating suicide.  How come NOT A SINGLE ARAB MUSLIM NATION WILL TAKE A SINGLE SYRIAN REFUGEE?????????

Because they understand what the refugees will bring and they are not interested in having that within their nations.

Europe is a perfect example of the very stupidity you are suggesting we adopt.

There IS NO POSSIBLE vetting of Jihad militants because Taqiyya permits deception of infidels for the purpose of invasion and conquest.

And for this I'm called a snowflake, a SJW, a Muslim, a socialist, a communist, etc.

You're using the same talking points and argumentation the open borders nuts are.  The promise of America existed even when immigration to this country was severely restricted or banned outright.  The 1924 Johnson Reed Act restricted immigration for the purpose of having the millions who came in the previous decades to totally assimilate into American culture.  In fact the Act totally and completely BANNED ANY IMMIGRATION from Asia.  ANY.

We have no responsibility to import refugees from war-torn areas into this country.  Not unless they are seeking to become Americans and have skills that will benefit American society and culture.



Until the 60's when Leftist idiots started opening the floodgates.

[geronl]

Right.  That's why.... if it was me in control, I would set up refugee camps over there (in the Middle East)...where aid and medical treatment would be provided until those refugees could be vetted and it could be ensured that they were not involved in or associated with jihadi activities.  I would stop all "unvetted" immigration into the US.   Trump isn't doing that.  He's just trying to stop the blinkin obvious threat, currently.  Yet still they're screeching.  It's idiotic.  You either want to protect the USA or you don't.

Yep, let the international Red Cross and EU handle it too.

[XenaLee]

 

Because you do not understand Islam apparently.  We have absolutely NO responsibility whatsoever to allow ANYONE from a war zone between a despotic secular tyrant and ISIS Caliphate soldiers to come in here and live off the taxpayer while refusing to assimilate into an American culture.

You're advocating suicide.  How come NOT A SINGLE ARAB MUSLIM NATION WILL TAKE A SINGLE SYRIAN REFUGEE?????????

Because they understand what the refugees will bring and they are not interested in having that within their nations.

Europe is a perfect example of the very stupidity you are suggesting we adopt.

There IS NO POSSIBLE vetting of Jihad militants because Taqiyya permits deception of infidels for the purpose of invasion and conquest.
You're using the same talking points and argumentation the open borders nuts are.  The promise of America existed even when immigration to this country was severely restricted or banned outright.  The 1924 Johnson Reed Act restricted immigration for the purpose of having the millions who came in the previous decades to totally assimilate into American culture.  In fact the Act totally and completely BANNED ANY IMMIGRATION from Asia.  ANY.

We have no responsibility to import refugees from war-torn areas into this country.  Not unless they are seeking to become Americans and have skills that will benefit American society and culture.



Until the 60's when Leftist idiots started opening the floodgates.

[XenaLee]

Really? Seems to me you are being awfully free with other people's territory here.

Seems to me that that is better than them being 'awfully free' with America's territory ....and with America's national security.

[geronl]

Seems to me that that is better than them being 'awfully free' with America's territory ....and with America's national security.

 

[Suppressed]

Oh, please.  You didn't like his decision, so he's "rogue."  I actually read his decision -- did you? -- and his legal rationale is reasonable, even if you don't agree with it.  He ruled that the fines related to the individual mandate are a tax (which they are), whatever else Congress might have called them; and recognized that Congress is authorized to levy taxes. 

The fact that you disagree with a judge does not make him "rogue."  You're just engaging in name-calling.

 

[Silver Pines]

We could vet them, then put them in refugee camps for a period of time (to observe their behavior, check their medical health, have them complete the necessary immigration paperwork, look for work and a place to live, etc.), and then let them go.

From what I read about the migrants in Europe, they tend to act up in the refugees camps.

@HonestJohn

Even if that were true, would you trust them to suddenly become model citizens once they left the camps?

But it's not true.  Migrant crime in Europe is well-documented.  Very recently a Swedish police officer told some truths about immigrant crime in his country, and for that he is being investigated for a "hate crime."

It's just not possible to vet these people thoroughly.  Many of them have no valid papers with them. 

Radical imams in Middle Eastern countries have vowed to seed the migrant wave with terrorists who want to commit murder.  Why would we invite such a thing in on ourselves?   Europe did it, in some naive, misguided attempt to be charitable and---more importantly---politically correct.  They're paying the price now.  It's only common sense to refuse to take part in such stupidity ourselves.  We have to protect our own country and its citizens before anyone or anything else.

Links:

Migrants linked to 69,000 crimes in Germany in first 3 months of 2016

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-crime-idUSKCN0YT28V


Germany's migrant rape crisis spirals out of control

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8663/germany-migrants-rape



German refugees committed 200,000 crimes between 2014-2015

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/18/leaked-german-govt-report-shows-refugees-committed-200000-crimes-between-2014-and-2015/



New Year's Eve (2016) migrant crime wave in Germany; a thousand men rob and sexually assault women. Town mayor suggests women adopt a "code of conduct" to avoid being raped

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/01/06/german-mayor-lambasted-over-so-called-code-of-conduct-in-wake-of-mass-sex-assault-in-cologne/


How Muslim migration made Malmo, Sweden a crime capital

http://www.dailywire.com/news/12466/how-muslim-migration-made-malmo-sweden-crime-michael-qazvini


Sex attacks spreading across Sweden as police struggle with migrant crime

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/641514/MAPPED-How-sex-attacks-are-spreading-across-Sweden-as-police-struggle-with-migrant-crime



Swedish police officer:  migrants are to blame for most serious crimes

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/641514/MAPPED-How-sex-attacks-are-spreading-across-Sweden-as-police-struggle-with-migrant-crime



Swedish police officer reported for telling the truth

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.3679/swedish-policeman-reported-to-the-police-for-telling-the-truth.html



Second Swedish police officer blows the whistle on migrant crime cover-up

http://washingtonfeed.com/second-swedish-police-officer-blows-the-whistle-on-migrant-crime-cover-up.html

[DiogenesLamp]

I've never understood why both parties are taking such extreme positions on the refugee issue.  Obama and his "vetting" process was a joke, but our reaction was just as much a joke with the "ban them all from coming".

They are refugees coming from a warzone.  We should welcome them, for the alternative is death. 

I guess you are unfamiliar with the word "Hijra". 







Males males!  Almost exclusively Males as far as the eye can see!  Not old men.  Not young boys.  Fighting age Muslims males engaging in Hijra.




God we/Europe are stupid. 

[txradioguy]

@HonestJohn

Even if that were true, would you trust them to suddenly become model citizens once they left the camps?

But it's not true.  Migrant crime in Europe is well-documented.  Very recently a Swedish police officer told some truths about immigrant crime in his country, and for that he is being investigated for a "hate crime."

It's just not possible to vet these people thoroughly.  Many of them have no valid papers with them. 

Radical imams in Middle Eastern countries have vowed to seed the migrant wave with terrorists who want to commit murder.  Why would we invite such a thing in on ourselves?   Europe did it, in some naive, misguided attempt to be charitable and---more importantly---politically correct.  They're paying the price now.  It's only common sense to refuse to take part in such stupidity ourselves.  We have to protect our own country and its citizens before anyone or anything else.

Links:

Migrants linked to 69,000 crimes in Germany in first 3 months of 2016

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-crime-idUSKCN0YT28V


Germany's migrant rape crisis spirals out of control

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8663/germany-migrants-rape



German refugees committed 200,000 crimes between 2014-2015

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/18/leaked-german-govt-report-shows-refugees-committed-200000-crimes-between-2014-and-2015/



New Year's Eve (2016) migrant crime wave in Germany; a thousand men rob and sexually assault women. Town mayor suggests women adopt a "code of conduct" to avoid being raped

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/01/06/german-mayor-lambasted-over-so-called-code-of-conduct-in-wake-of-mass-sex-assault-in-cologne/


How Muslim migration made Malmo, Sweden a crime capital

http://www.dailywire.com/news/12466/how-muslim-migration-made-malmo-sweden-crime-michael-qazvini


Sex attacks spreading across Sweden as police struggle with migrant crime

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/641514/MAPPED-How-sex-attacks-are-spreading-across-Sweden-as-police-struggle-with-migrant-crime



Swedish police officer:  migrants are to blame for most serious crimes

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/641514/MAPPED-How-sex-attacks-are-spreading-across-Sweden-as-police-struggle-with-migrant-crime



Swedish police officer reported for telling the truth

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.3679/swedish-policeman-reported-to-the-police-for-telling-the-truth.html



Second Swedish police officer blows the whistle on migrant crime cover-up

http://washingtonfeed.com/second-swedish-police-officer-blows-the-whistle-on-migrant-crime-cover-up.html

The "refugee" camps in Germany...which consist of former U.S. military installations...are the prime breeding ground for radicalization in the country right now.

[DiogenesLamp]

That was Trump's big mistake, of course.  He just tossed it out there without warning or preparation, and of course chaos was the result.  Another couple of weeks wouldn't have made any difference, and he could profitably have used the time to allow agencies and organizations to prepare for it.

I'm sure waiting a couple of weeks would have  prevented all the leftist lawsuits and screeching.   If only he would consider the feelings of the left wing before he acts on his campaign promises,  it would all work out so much better. 

[DiogenesLamp]

Really? Seems to me you are being awfully free with other people's territory here.

I volunteer your house instead of some remote plot of land that no one really controls.   

Letting barbarian hordes into my country is being pretty free with other people's territory too.



 

[DiogenesLamp]

Oh, please.  You didn't like his decision, so he's "rogue."  I actually read his decision -- did you? -- and his legal rationale is reasonable, even if you don't agree with it.  He ruled that the fines related to the individual mandate are a tax (which they are), whatever else Congress might have called them; and recognized that Congress is authorized to levy taxes. 

If you call it a "tax"  then it wasn't passed legally.  All "Tax"  bills must originate in the House.  Congress went out of it's way to avoid calling it a "Tax"  because that would have made the whole affair illegitimate.   


With this utter *IDIOT*  decision by Roberts,  he is trying to have it both ways.   It is a *TAX*  for purposes of the Supreme Court allowing it to stand,   but it is *NOT A TAX*  for the purposes of passing it into law. 


Roberts just had a bad case of "Black President" worship,  and just had to follow his fetish. 

[Bigun]

Well those days are over.

If you heard the so-called hearing last night you would see that the career DOJ lawyer was pathetic in arguing the ruling, this is why we need Sessions over there right now.

That is but step one!

The Congress has the power to do whatever the hell they like with the federal judiciary other than SCOTUS and they can mess with that as well! 

WHY they have chosen not to exercise the powers granted them under the Constitution is a COMPLETE mystery to me!

[truth_seeker]

Judge Napolitano gave a succinct summation of the situation.

The law assed by Congress, giving plenary (absolute) authority over immigration suspensions such as this, and makes NO mention of previous campaign statements, Presidential motives, etc.

So when the three-judge panel goes off in those directions, they are WRONG.

Yet Napolitano said he was less optimistic, after hearing them last evening.

If we remain a nation of laws, the President is entitled to have THIS LAW be enforced by the judiciary.

Obviously holding up Session's appointment, using the 9th District, and delaying the appointment of the 9 Justice to the SC all tie together.

In the meantime, if a single terror incident can be tied to this ongoing obstruction by the dems and their judiciary comrades, the blood will be on them alone.

[r9etb]

If we remain a nation of laws, the President is entitled to have THIS LAW be enforced by the judiciary.

Always assuming, of course, that the president himself followed the law as written, and that the law itself is constitutional.  That's what the legal challenges are all about.

After 8 years of Obama I'm surprised that you're so willing to trust any president's word on the matter....

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Little doubt that this Unconstitutional edict by a judge will be ignored.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

The Congress has the power to do whatever the hell they like with the federal judiciary other than SCOTUS and they can mess with that as well! 

Yes. The power of Congress is to impeach and remove any members of the federal judiciary they wish.

Also, FDR tried to change the number of SCOTUS members to pack the court.

For example, nothing removes the right of Congress and the Executive to have, say, 21 members on the SC.

That would certainly guarantee the results, right?

[truth_seeker]

Always assuming, of course, that the president himself followed the law as written, and that the law itself is constitutional.  That's what the legal challenges are all about.

After 8 years of Obama I'm surprised that you're so willing to trust any president's word on the matter....

Are you even informed that several previous Presidents have used this law?

Are you even aware the list of countries comes from the recent Obama administration (which also used the law)?

Does your liberal and/or #nevertrump obsession and  bubble allow access to facts such as those?

IOW did you object when Obama sought and did keep immigrants out, using the EXACT same law, for the SAME reason?

[r9etb]

Are you even informed that several previous Presidents have used this law?

Are you even aware the list of countries comes from the recent Obama administration (which also used the law)?

The argument is that Trump didn't follow the law as written.  I'm guessing you'd prefer that presidents do that?

Does your liberal and/or #nevertrump obsession and  bubble allow access to facts such as those?

IOW did you object when Obama sought and did keep immigrants out, using the EXACT same law, for the SAME reason?

Blahblahblah.  Stupid insults just don't impress me.