White House Vows ‘Emergency Stay’ of Judicial Order Thwarting President’s Immigration Order

[Norm Lenhart]

I think antagonizing the left is very worthwhile.   I've said for years that Republicans should have called Obama a liar to his face,  and shown him utter disrespect at every turn.   I think it would have provoked a fit throwing meltdown on his part.   


There are multiple levels to this game.  At the bedrock level,  "The Dozens"  is what it is all about.   You have to play "the Dozens"  or you aren't really in the game.   


You should read this book. 




 It gives you great insight into why people do what they do,  and what you need to do to motivate them.

Robert Greene's "The 48 Laws of Power" is my "Every conservative must read" suggestion.
https://www.amazon.com/48-Laws-Power-Robert-Greene/dp/0140280197

[DiogenesLamp]

Yes tough guy trump who always fights back and never settles.


Trump pays $25M to settle Trump University lawsuits: report

You are supposedly trying to "prove"  something with this point,   but you obviously don't see any other explanation for this beyond the one in your head.   


What is 25 million to Trump?   This is a nuisance lawsuit stirred up by his political enemies,  and as such represents about the only way they could continue to harass him by constantly dragging him back to court and making headlines till this is over.   


Keeping your eye on the ball requires you to avoid petty entanglements such as this.   


You fight for the bigger prize.   You sacrifice a pawn to take a Queen.   

[skeeter]

I think antagonizing the left is very worthwhile.   I've said for years that Republicans should have called Obama a liar to his face,  and shown him utter disrespect at every turn.   I think it would have provoked a fit throwing meltdown on his part.   


There are multiple levels to this game.  At the bedrock level,  "The Dozens"  is what it is all about.   You have to play "the Dozens"  or you aren't really in the game.   


You should read this book. 




 It gives you great insight into why people do what they do,  and what you need to do to motivate them.

Provoking and antagonizing, in a well thought out manner, the status quo opposition is a long established method of bringing about long term changes in public attitude. It makes the normally disengaged take notice.

Attempting to simply work within the current political system, preaching to the choir, making speeches from the well of the senate etc, without reaching the general public and altering their perspective obviously is futile.

[DiogenesLamp]

Robert Greene's "The 48 Laws of Power" is my "Every conservative must read" suggestion.
https://www.amazon.com/48-Laws-Power-Robert-Greene/dp/0140280197

Won't buy anything from Amazon,   but if I see it somewhere else,  i'll pick it up. 

[INVAR]

Yeah and we can flood the courts with judges we want now to make it t right. No need to tweet like a moron.

Obama appointed 329 radical Leftists to LIFETIME appointments making up more than 40% of the ENTIRE Federal Bench.

That is not going to be overcome by the 100 vacancies Trump may fill, and with whom we do not know.  Lots of Leftists disguised as "Conservatives" these days.

Obama's fundamental transformation is not going away via civil means.  THAT is a virtual guarantee.

Hell the GOP just told us this week that Obama Care and the Iranian deal was here to stay.

[DiogenesLamp]

Provoking and antagonizing, in a well thought out manner, the status quo opposition is a long established method of bringing about long term changes in public attitude. It makes the normally disengaged take notice.

Attempting to simply work within the current political system, preaching to the choir, making speeches from the well of the senate etc, without reaching the general public and altering their perspective obviously is futile.

This is my thinking.   We are a self obsessed society.   Make it big enough for people to take notice,  and they will.   People respond to simple ideas and action much better than they do to abstract thought and reason. 

[truth_seeker]

I've seen that opinion more than once and I tend to agree.  Reagan conservatism has been replaced by angry populism.

Yeah, 306 Electoral College votes worth.

The alternatives were to lose gracefully AGAIN with a genteel establishment moderate Republican, or lose to an extension of Obama by Hillary Clinton.

By the way, Reagan "conservatism" included Amnesty, which only fueled illegal immigration in anticipation of future amnesties, brought by G.W. Bush, McCain etc.

Reagan wasn't a saint, either.

[Norm Lenhart]

Won't buy anything from Amazon,   but if I see it somewhere else,  i'll pick it up.

It's available many places. I just threw the Amazon link up as it was the first I found on a search.

Well worth the read. VERY heavy reading. It's one of those that take a metric ton of digesting piece by piece.

[DiogenesLamp]

Yeah, 306 Electoral College votes worth.

The alternatives were to lose gracefully AGAIN with a genteel establishment moderate Republican, or lose to an extension of Obama by Hillary Clinton.

By the way, Reagan "conservatism" included Amnesty, which only fueled illegal immigration in anticipation of future amnesties, brought by G.W. Bush, McCain etc.

Reagan wasn't a saint, either.

It is unfair to pin that on Reagan.   That was a reluctant agreement as part of a "deal"  with the Democrats in congress.   Of course Reagan kept his end of the deal,  and of course the Democrat congress welshed on theirs.   


This example,  among several other examples of the Democrats backstabbing Reagan,  was one of the reasons I was so furious with George HW Bush for making a tax increase deal with them. 


They F***ed over Reagan,  and why on God's green earth did you not think they would F*** over George HW Bush too?   Are you that Stupid old Georgie boy?   Are you that stupid?   


Yes,  he was that stupid. 

[XenaLee]

I think rather than tweeting this morning trashing this Bush appointed Judge, which he did this morning calling this Seattle Judge a "so-called Judge", Trump instead should have one of those old fashion Reagan like fireside chats explaining in detail the EO. And speak to ALL Americans, not his adoring supporters, not a gut punching to his Democrat enemies, but adjust his language as Reagan would so anyone watching would feel he was talking to them personally.
Explain what the EO is with passion and logic. Be a salesman. Explain that it is not a ban, and who and under what circumstances can people still travel from these countries, and that the EO is only temporary while a better vetting process is put in place. And that this all intended on protecting the American people.

That is what should be done. But Trump being Trump, will continue using his thumbs, and make things worse.

Yeah.  As it was with Reagan, communication with the American public is key.  And no....Twittering Tweets ain't cutting it.

Trump should hold a press conference outlining exactly how, in detail, the American leftists are obstructing his every action.  Put it to the people and let them know what's going on with the radical left.  Most of us already know ...and fully expected it.

[Norm Lenhart]

Yeah, 306 Electoral College votes worth.

The alternatives were to lose gracefully AGAIN with a genteel establishment moderate Republican, or lose to an extension of Obama by Hillary Clinton.

By the way, Reagan "conservatism" included Amnesty, which only fueled illegal immigration in anticipation of future amnesties, brought by G.W. Bush, McCain etc.

Reagan wasn't a saint, either.

Reagan's political career was marked by one problem. He believed in the inherent goodness of people. That led him to what he called his greatest mistakes/regrets. The Cali abortion decision and Amnesty. both of which he recognized and worked thereafter to mitigate.

People are not inherently good. Their actions determine what they are. Democrats are inherently evil. thats why they become democrats.

[Norm Lenhart]

Yeah.  As it was with Reagan, communication with the American public is key.  And no....Twittering Tweets ain't cutting it.

Trump should hold a press conference outlining exactly how, in detail, the American leftists are obstructing his every action.  Put it to the people and let them know what's going on with the radical left.  Most of us already know ...and fully expected it.

I think Twitter/Facebook are the worst thing to ever happen to discourse. However, when looked at in context with the borderline retarded population that the leftist education system created, I don't think that the world as a whole has the ability to handle more than 144 characters or a cat picture at one time anymore.

I wish he would articulate his ideas fully. But most people couldn't understand a fully formed concept to begin with. They do not have the skillset to grasp bigger ideas. Only bumper sticker sized tweeting.

[XenaLee]

Reagan's political career was marked by one problem. He believed in the inherent goodness of people. That led him to what he called his greatest mistakes/regrets. The Cali abortion decision and Amnesty. both of which he recognized and worked thereafter to mitigate.

People are not inherently good. Their actions determine what they are. Democrats are inherently evil. thats why they become democrats.

Actually, I do think that 'most' people are good.  The problem is.... the American radical left, just as leftists everywhere, are inherently evil...and most good people vastly underestimate that evil.

Some even fail to recognize it at all.  George Bush was one who failed to see the evil.  Both he and his dad let us down in that respect, but they were still far and above better than any damned Democrat (like Obama, Clinton, Carter, etc.) ever would have been.

[Cripplecreek]

That NEVER ends well for liberty.

Ever.

But… I think we are far too gone culturally to ever return to a notion of a civil society, which is the only environment Reagan/limited government Conservatism could exist.

The bulk of the population either want their king and dictator or have made the government their god and provider or both.  Payback, revenge, imposition, violence and eradication are now the main motivation on all sides of current divisions.

There is no putting that genie back in the bottle.  We are now fully balkanized, with the society standing in a pool of gasoline just waiting for that spark to set it all off.

Notwithstanding all the shock and ground troops that the Left, the GOP and Obama have placed here from South America and Jihad-sponsoring countries.  The outcome is virtually guaranteed.

Fundamental change has indeed happened.

Most refused to notice it when it was able to be arrested.  Now it is too late.

We are now France cira 1790, and I expect the results will be similar, if not more horrific.

We're surrounded by neo Alinskyites who want to agitate out of a lust for power. There is no morality in them, just blind impotent rage.

The Chairborne Rangers on the right are hot for a fight with the left that they're going to lose. The left may be unfocused but never doubt their energy or will to use violence. The chairborne rangers talk tough and make excuses for not showing up.

[don-o]

I think Twitter/Facebook are the worst thing to ever happen to discourse. However, when looked at in context with the borderline retarded population that the leftist education system created, I don't think that the world as a whole has the ability to handle more than 144 characters or a cat picture at one time anymore.

I wish he would articulate his ideas fully. But most people couldn't understand a fully formed concept to begin with. They do not have the skillset to grasp bigger ideas. Only bumper sticker sized tweeting.

True that. I am interested to see if Pence can overcome the "warm bucket of spit" role of VP and be utilized effectively in messaging. The few times i have heard him, he at least seems comfortable in his own skin.

[Norm Lenhart]

Actually, I do think that 'most' people are good.  The problem is.... the American radical left, just as leftists everywhere, are inherently evil...and most good people vastly underestimate that evil.

Some even fail to recognize it at all.  George Bush was one who failed to see the evil.  Both he and his dad let us down in that respect, but they were still far and above better than any damned Democrat (like Obama, Clinton, Carter, etc.) ever would have been.

If good were the default, I don't see how we have a history marked by war, misery and conflict. To me, at best, a human is naturally in a neutral state. People can be steered to good. But they don't historically wear it like armor. It seems more like after getting enough of a beating, the good comes out and they stand up on the right side.

Think of it like a country. A country is a larger scale expression of it's people. We believe America is Good because we have a history of good. And we do. But also remember we have taken many neutral positions globally before finally asserting ourselves in defense of others.

[DiogenesLamp]

I think Twitter/Facebook are the worst thing to ever happen to discourse. However, when looked at in context with the borderline retarded population that the leftist education system created, I don't think that the world as a whole has the ability to handle more than 144 characters or a cat picture at one time anymore.

I wish he would articulate his ideas fully. But most people couldn't understand a fully formed concept to begin with. They do not have the skillset to grasp bigger ideas. Only bumper sticker sized tweeting.

Twitter is serving perhaps it's only useful function now;   Allowing people to express opinions or state information which the media would censor.   

Till we take away pieces of their broadcasting infrastructure,  we have to use what little bits to which we have access.   

[skeeter]

We're surrounded by neo Alinskyites who want to agitate out of a lust for power. There is no morality in them, just blind impotent rage.

The Chairborne Rangers on the right are hot for a fight with the left that they're going to lose. The left may be unfocused but never doubt their energy or will to use violence. The chairborne rangers talk tough and make excuses for not showing up.

Isn't agitating (both sides) what you're doing right here?

[kevindavis007]

Looks like Trump got a lesson in Checks and Balances..

[Norm Lenhart]

Twitter is serving perhaps it's only useful function now;   Allowing people to express opinions or state information which the media would censor.   

Till we take away pieces of their broadcasting infrastructure,  we have to use what little bits to which we have access.

Twitter censors pretty frequently as well though. Yes, we should use whatever tools there are, but it really doesn't matter who the censor is. MSNBC/CNN/FOX or Twitter/Facebook. A speaker unbooked because of his conservative views or a conservative's postings pulled/account shut down for factual discourse is much of a muchness at the end of the day.

[DiogenesLamp]

Looks like Trump got a lesson in Checks and Balances..

Looks like you are cheering for the wrong side of this conflict.   


Trump is legally correct.   The Judge does not have a legal leg upon which to stand. 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Till we take away pieces of their broadcasting infrastructure,  we have to use what little bits to which we have access.

Could you elaborate?

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Isn't agitating (both sides) what you're doing right here?

He is posting, just like anyone else.

[Cripplecreek]

He is posting, just like anyone else.

Simply stating the truth as I see it is hardly agitating.

If I'm agitating, I'm agitating for greater patience from both sides.

[Norm Lenhart]

Could you elaborate?

Think of it like taking Tokyo rose off the air. Or a Terrorist propaganda broadcast shut down.

Personally I think people should stop and consider just what 'the media' now consists of and what it is actually doing. Is it serving the goal of informing and educating or is it serving as a propaganda mill for leftist conquest? I have to wonder if people prefer being lied to, but moreso I wonder what they will say when the lying and manipulation of the media ultimately results in open warfare either with another country or internally.

And lets be honest. The rate that they claim 'Trump said', when he really didn't 'say' what they claim is rising exponentially by the day. As stupid as the public and governments globally have shown themselves to be, it will not likely be long before that ends up causing a Franz Ferdinand moment.