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Heavy fighting continues in eastern Ukraine
« on: February 02, 2017, 02:00:49 pm »

AVDIIVKA, Ukraine — Freezing and nerve-shattered residents of an eastern Ukraine town battered by an upsurge in fighting between troops and Russia-backed rebels flocked to a humanitarian aid center Wednesday to receive food and warm up.
Heavy shelling of government-held Avdiivka, just north of the rebel stronghold city of Donetsk, began over the weekend and persisted into early Wednesday. Donetsk city also was hit.


At least 10 people have been killed since Monday and dozens wounded.


Separatist rebels have been fighting government troops and volunteer brigades in eastern Ukraine since April 2014 in a conflict that has killed more than 9,700 people. A pact reached nearly two years ago in Minsk, Belarus, called for a cease-fire, for heavy weapons to be pulled back from the front lines and for a political resolution of the conflict, but the agreement has been observed only fitfully and skirmishes and artillery fire have persisted.


In a worrisome sign, an Associated Press reporter saw rebel artillery positions in the center of Donetsk city on Wednesday.


What sparked the recent escalation is unclear. But each side could find negotiation benefits in it.


The Ukrainian government, concerned that the new U.S. administration might take a comparatively soft line on Russia, could point to the escalation as evidence that Russia cannot be trusted.


That prospect was acknowledged by President Vladimir Putin's foreign affairs adviser Yuri Ushakov. "Kiev is trying to use the fighting it provoked itself as a pretext to refuse to observe the Minsk agreement and blame Russia," he told reporters Wednesday.


But by showing the strength of the rebels and their Russian backers, the fighting could send a signal to Washington that Moscow holds power in the region and the United States should offer concessions to Moscow if it wants peace in Ukraine.


The escalation "seems to be another reason for the soonest possible resumption of dialogue and cooperation between Russia and America," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.


In the late morning Wednesday, shelling subsided; there were unconfirmed reports the sides had agreed to a cease-fire to restore electricity and water supplies.


The power outage hit amid a strong cold snap, with temperatures in Avdiivka as low as minus 18 Celsius (0 Fahrenheit). Hundreds of city residents streamed to a stadium where aid agencies were distributing food, and to warming stations.


The Ukrainian government's press office for the military operation in the east reported one soldier killed, and nine soldiers and one civilian injured late on Tuesday.


In Makiivka, the rebel-controlled northeastern suburb of Donetsk, two coal miners were injured Wednesday morning by shelling as they were walking to work, the rebels' Donetsk News Agency reported.


An Associated Press reporter outside Avdiivka saw a transporter carrying Grad multiple missile launcher with empty rounds drive away from the front line Wednesday.


Grad is among the heavy weaponry that both warring parties committed to pull back when they signed a cease-fire agreement in Minsk in 2015.


In Donetsk, local residents reported incessant outgoing and incoming artillery salvos heard throughout the night and in the morning, an intensity that the city has not seen in months.


The so-called Contact Group of Russia, Ukraine and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, which aims at implementing the two-year-old peace pact, was meeting Wednesday in Minsk, but there were no immediate reports of developments.


Source: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/heavy-fighting-continues-in-eastern-ukraine/


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Re: Heavy fighting continues in eastern Ukraine
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I didn't know that ISIS was in Ukraine..

The could be hiding anywhere...therefore he has to invade Ukraine to protect the ethnic Russians there from terrorism.
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Re: Heavy fighting continues in eastern Ukraine
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2017, 02:27:32 pm »
Regular Russia troops are in Ukraine, but the media still wants to pretend they're not.

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Re: Heavy fighting continues in eastern Ukraine
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2017, 02:30:59 pm »
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What sparked the recent escalation is unclear. But each side could find negotiation benefits in it.

Its a test to see how we'll react.

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Re: Heavy fighting continues in eastern Ukraine
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2017, 02:50:22 pm »
If no one has taken notice, the Ukraine was lost a long time ago. First off, the place is still a corrupt mess. Viktor Yanukovych was a Soviet stooge ripping off the country (remember his mansion?). The current dude Petro Poroshenko is using the anti-corruption bureau to attack political opponents. Their military is garbage. Obama bungled this thing 6 ways from Sunday and made pathetic attempts to back the Soviets down. Let's not forget these half assed sanctions that have done absolutely nothing.

We got two choices now. We send in our military and escalate the hell out of this or we cut bait and set ourselves up to defend the other dominoes in the region. Thinking that we are magically going to get a crappy govt' and military to stand up to Putin is absurd.


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Re: Heavy fighting continues in eastern Ukraine
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2017, 03:26:46 pm »
Regular Russia troops are in Ukraine, but the media still wants to pretend they're not.


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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2017, 03:47:18 pm »
We send in our military and escalate the hell out of this or we cut bait and set ourselves up to defend the other dominoes in the region. Thinking that we are magically going to get a crappy govt' and military to stand up to Putin is absurd.

U.S. Army Europe is already doing extensive training with the Ukrainian military.  What little strength we have there is working with just about every former SSR you can think of that is terrified of Vlad reacquiring them.

Most of their Military in those countries are small...with the exception of the Poles to a certain extent the Ukraine...but then you have countries that their total military force is about equal to what we have left in Europe (roughly 30K).  In some cases you have U.S. company commanders advising generals on how to improve their country's fighting skills and how to integrate them with ours.

It's a really fine line we're walking over there....trying to build the fighting capability of these countries without looking like we're trying to ramp things up with Russia at the same time.

At the same time our cupboard is pretty bare too.  We have two permanently stationed light infantry brigade sized elements left in Europe and 3/4 of an Aviation Brigade.  Right in the middle of Putin ramping things up a couple years ago President Dumbass decided to de-activate the only full time U.S. Apache helicopter unit in Europe. Now there is a battalion that rotates in every nine months to fill the role.  We're doing the same thing with the combat units that were rotating to Iraq and Afghanistan...now they deploy strait to Germany and then out to Eastern Europe for training 9 months at a time.

Putin has more front line troops on the border between Russia and the Ukraine than we have in all of Europe.  He knows that...and he knows we couldn't do squat right now if we had to. 

You're absolutely correct about what you said was absurd.  Sad thing is...those new NATO countries that Putin is threatening...have more fighting spirit than say Germany or Spain. 

What is also absurd is talking about walking away from NATO right now too...if ever there was a time for Trump to give meaning to his vow to regrow the military it would be right now with some former USAREUR units standing back up over there. use the stick and carrot approach...tell countries where we've been based before that if they don't start ponying up the money for defense they are supposed to well we'll just have to put those newly re-activated units in countries that take their NATO obligation more seriously and let them enjoy the economic windfall of the U.S. Army coming to town.
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