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I see that Trump's media sycophants like Jeanine Pirro have returned to their desperate screeching that all must fall in line and support Trump. You really have to wonder why they seem so anxious to get unanimous blind fealty to Trump from conservatives.

Personally I think its the knowledge that he's a disaster and they want to share the blame as widely as possible as a means of camouflaging themselves among many. Kinda like the mob making sure everyone is guilty so no one talks.

I even had some idiot tell me that my life would be "worth living" if only I would fall to my knees and thank God for Trump.



I've noticed that too.

Jokes on them because Conservatives...myself included...don't blindly follow anyone.
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Any so-called NeverTrumper that is pining for a job from the Trump regime is an idiot and beyond stupid.   They illustrate the difference between those of us who are Principled Conservatives and those who are Establishment hacks.

I don't fault Trump for waving them off as irrelevant.  It was to be expected.   We have known for a long time that Trump only respects and serves those people who flatter and suck up to him, while bashing those who dare utter a negative word about him or any stupid thing he tweets or says.

I personally want nothing to do with a Trump regime, and plan on treating it the same exact way I did the Obama regime.  I plan to hold it in absolute contempt when they cross the line of Constitutional limits or do harm to longstanding Conservative positions. Other than that - it is totally irrelevant to me.

Those people who are arrogant enough to demand obeisance to their prince from the likes of people like me can pound sand.  I pledge eternal hostility to such mindsets and demands.
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I see that Trump's media sycophants like Jeanine Pirro have returned to their desperate screeching that all must fall in line and support Trump. You really have to wonder why they seem so anxious to get unanimous blind fealty to Trump from conservatives.

Personally I think its the knowledge that he's a disaster and they want to share the blame as widely as possible as a means of camouflaging themselves among many. Kinda like the mob making sure everyone is guilty so no one talks.

I even had some idiot tell me that my life would be "worth living" if only I would fall to my knees and thank God for Trump.




You are a mentally disturbed person. Everything you wrote is so far out there, I can't even respond to it.


Do you think that you would ever be hired by IBM if you issued a formal public statement that declares that you will never support IBM under any circumstances? Is it wrong for IBM to hire people who they think will support the goals and interests of their company? I guess, according to your logic, the fact that CEOs do not hire people who hate them then that of course means that they "want to be worshipped as Gods!" LoL, that crazy thinking right there.


If someone hates Trump or IBM, then why would they want to work there in the first place? Try joining any corporation and then tell them that you do not agree with the corporation's goals or policies.


Good luck with that! I'm sure you will go far. LoL
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You are a mentally disturbed person. Everything you wrote is so far out there, I can't even respond to it.


Do you think that you would ever be hired by IBM if you issued a formal public statement that declares that you will never support IBM under any circumstances? Is it wrong for IBM to hire people who they think will support the goals and interests of their company? I guess, according to your logic, the fact that CEOs do not hire people who hate them then that of course means that they "want to be worshipped as Gods!" LoL, that crazy thinking right there.


If someone hates Trump or IBM, then why would they want to work there in the first place? Try joining any corporation and then tell them that you do not agree with the corporation's goals or policies.


Good luck with that! I'm sure you will go far. LoL
Better you than me.

In all of your partisan idolatry of Trump did you ever stop to think that some of these people are more interested in securing the country and put the country over politics?

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In all of your partisan idolatry of Trump did you ever stop to think that some of these people are more interested in securing the country and put the country over politics?


Did you read what I wrote? Did you understand it?


In the military I never "idolized" my C.O., but you can be damn sure I never crossed him and I followed his orders without question.


I never "worshipped him as a God" either, although I am sure he would not have objected if I did. LoL!
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
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Did you read what I wrote? Did you understand it?


In the military I never "idolized" my C.O., but you can be damn sure I never crossed him and I followed his orders without question.


I never "worshipped him as a God" either, although I am sure he would not have objected if I did. LoL!

I was talking about none of what you just spouted.

I'll use smaller words next time.
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I was talking about none of what you just spouted.

I'll use smaller words next time.


Yes. Good idea. Because I have no idea what you or the other poster are talking about.


There's only one Captain on a ship; there is only one President . And it is never my job or my station to contradict or fight him. I can respectfully disagree of couse, but ultimately he is responsible and he is the boss. If I work for him, then my job is to support him, not to be dissident.


But you have a good point that I cannot grasp the erudition of your position because I think that it is nuts.


Please use smaller words!
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You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
Rational fear and anger at vicious murderous Islamic terrorists is the same as irrational antisemitism, according to the Leftists.

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Fine point.......but then why didn't these "professionals" have open letters against the Regime while lives were being lost on our own soil? They seemed happy to step up to the mic when Donny was making Primary headway. Why not over the last 8 years?

It's a great question, and I'd love to hear them try to answer it.

The letters they signed weren't just policy disagreements -- that would have been fine.  Instead, they were pretty blatant attacks on Trump personally.  I think they were trying to ingratiate themselves with other candidates - Democrats included -- because they didn't think Trump had a chance to win anyway, and attacking him was one route to getting a job in the new Administration, or at least not being on the "outs" with various opposition think-tanks, etc..  In other words, I think ""hacks" is pretty accurate.

I wouldn't hire any of those guys if I were Trump either.  Realistically, there's no reason to believe that any of them would try to implement his policies rather than just ignore a guy they despise, and just do their own thing.

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Did you read what I wrote? Did you understand it?


In the military I never "idolized" my C.O., but you can be damn sure I never crossed him and I followed his orders without question.


I never "worshipped him as a God" either, although I am sure he would not have objected if I did. LoL!

Your experience was different from mine. The best relationship I had with my battalion commander was because I spoke my mind. I respected the hell out of him, and he was a leader who demanded imagination and independence from his officers.

As a 1st LT in a primary staff position, I got my butt chewed plenty of times, but I knew it was forgotten 30 seconds after I walked out of his office. As it turned out, I had the good fortune to work for him again after returning from Germany, as he put this young Captain in an O-5's slot. 

I rarely did well with micro-managers, so much so that in one brutal evaluation, the Group Commander basically said the Battery CO and Battalion CO were full of fecal matter. It's a long story, interesting only to me, but I saved the BC's rear during a battery-level ARTEP. First by appealing personally to the Group Commander for a two week extension (a third of our weapons systems were non-operational, and we needed every day to get it up to 75% operational).

During that ARTEP, I had my hands full as both the XO and Maintenance Officer (my regular job). Things really broke down the second day, and the attitude among the chain of command was "it's over." I'd been through several ARTEPS with 3 of our 4 platoons, and I knew "the game", i.e. show some improvement by the last day and you pass. At the briefing that night, I lit into the platoon leaders for not showing the leadership expected of them. Then, I went into detail what each of their squad members would do the following day, down to the lowest man on the totem pole.

Little did I know the evaluation team chief was standing outside the CP, and heard every word I said. Heck, he could've been 50 feet away and probably heard everything. I bumped into him after the meeting, and I thought "oh crap!" Instead, he smiled at me, and said "that was beautiful, LT!"

For all my efforts, I was torched, as I paid the price for going outside the chain of command. I was fine with it, I was only expecting to do the required four years of active duty. But I was damned if I was going to stand by, after the BC fouled up one mission by encoding coordinates wrong, after the platoon leader failed to question him even though the mission completely violated Air Defense Artillery tactics. It was such dereliction of duty, I learned of it from our First Sergeant, who was distraught. Imagine that, an Infantry First Sergeant with three tours in Vietnam, and he thought ADA was a transfer to Mars.

I was more concerned about the 100+ soldiers in my battery that were busting their humps, despite all the mistakes their leaders were making.

Apologies for the hijack, but that's my perspective.
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Yes. Good idea. Because I have no idea what you or the other poster are talking about.


There's only one Captain on a ship; there is only one President . And it is never my job or my station to contradict or fight him. I can respectfully disagree of couse, but ultimately he is responsible and he is the boss. If I work for him, then my job is to support him, not to be dissident.


But you have a good point that I cannot grasp the erudition of your position because I think that it is nuts.


Please use smaller words!

Your attitude was remarkably different when it came to Obama. 

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Your experience was different from mine. The best relationship I had with my battalion commander was because I spoke my mind. I respected the hell out of him, and he was a leader who demanded imagination and independence from his officers.

As a 1st LT in a primary staff position, I got my butt chewed plenty of times, but I knew it was forgotten 30 seconds after I walked out of his office. As it turned out, I had the good fortune to work for him again after returning from Germany, as he put this young Captain in an O-5's slot. 

I rarely did well with micro-managers, so much so that in one brutal evaluation, the Group Commander basically said the Battery CO and Battalion CO were full of fecal matter. It's a long story, interesting only to me, but I saved the BC's rear during a battery-level ARTEP. First by appealing personally to the Group Commander for a two week extension (a third of our weapons systems were non-operational, and we needed every day to get it up to 75% operational).

During that ARTEP, I had my hands full as both the XO and Maintenance Officer (my regular job). Things really broke down the second day, and the attitude among the chain of command was "it's over." I'd been through several ARTEPS with 3 of our 4 platoons, and I knew "the game", i.e. show some improvement by the last day and you pass. At the briefing that night, I lit into the platoon leaders for not showing the leadership expected of them. Then, I went into detail what each of their squad members would do the following day, down to the lowest man on the totem pole.

Little did I know the evaluation team chief was standing outside the CP, and heard every word I said. Heck, he could've been 50 feet away and probably heard everything. I bumped into him after the meeting, and I thought "oh crap!" Instead, he smiled at me, and said "that was beautiful, LT!"

For all my efforts, I was torched, as I paid the price for going outside the chain of command. I was fine with it, I was only expecting to do the required four years of active duty. But I was damned if I was going to stand by, after the BC fouled up one mission by encoding coordinates wrong, after the platoon leader failed to question him even though the mission completely violated Air Defense Artillery tactics. It was such dereliction of duty, I learned of it from our First Sergeant, who was distraught. Imagine that, an Infantry First Sergeant with three tours in Vietnam, and he thought ADA was a transfer to Mars.

I was more concerned about the 100+ soldiers in my battery that were busting their humps, despite all the mistakes their leaders were making.

Apologies for the hijack, but that's my perspective.

I can't tell you how man similar versions of that story I've heard over the last few years. The accumulation of them is quite telling and makes me sick to my stomach when I think of what it means to our true military readiness. !
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I can't tell you how man similar versions of that story I've heard over the last few years. The accumulation of them is quite telling and makes me sick to my stomach when I think of what it means to our true military readiness. !

Thanks Bigun, here's a more light-hearted one:

My last year in Germany, I was the Battalion S-4 (Supply Officer). How I got there is a meandering tale, of getting off on the wrong foot with the new Battalion Cdr, and a string of events that allowed me to display my value.

It was one of the few jobs I've had in my life were I was superbly trained for the job: my degree was in public accounting; I'd been in the battalion for 3+ years; and I filled in as the battalion's property book officer for six months.

The "old man" wanted us to dazzle the evaluators, he wasn't satisfied with just being proficient. For my briefing, I concocted an "alternative supply plan" should we be cut off. Considering our isolation, such as units on three NATO air bases, and Group HQ 90 miles away, I thought it was important. The "alternative supply points" included local bakeries and gasthauses, and I knew most by name.

As I was going through my briefing, the "old man" was more than amused at the reaction of the Team Chief, who was getting rather perturbed. After the briefing, he comes up to me and says, "where in the hell did you come up with that s--t?" I patiently explained that I was following the boss' orders, to be imaginative and independent. Then I laid the trump card on him, by suggesting we visit a couple of these establishments, to test the veracity of my statements.

The Battalion Commander stepped in and said, "Colonel, you really don't need to. He's probably going to escort you to his favorite gasthaus near his apartment, where they've asked him to sit at their stammtisch. The stammtisch is a table reserved for the owner's family, and close friends of the family. Americans sitting at one? Unheard of.

The Team Chief had had several tours in Germany, and he knew the significance. We had a great S-4 section, and we did our part in turning a C-3 battalion into a C-1.

I knew our operational area (Hahn AB, Spangdahlem AB, and Bitburg AB) like the back of my hand. Hardly needed a map my last couple of years in country. Last year and a half, every quarterly Hail & Farewell was held within a ten minute drive of my apartment. My best friend and I knew some really great spots along the Mosel, and you couldn't ask for more scenic spots to welcome the newcomer and their wives. Plus, they were centrally located, so no one had to drive over 30 minutes.
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Your attitude was remarkably different when it came to Obama.

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240 forgot to add: there is only one Constitution, too. I gave my oath to the Constitution of the United States.
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It's a great question, and I'd love to hear them try to answer it.

The letters they signed weren't just policy disagreements -- that would have been fine.  Instead, they were pretty blatant attacks on Trump personally.  I think they were trying to ingratiate themselves with other candidates - Democrats included -- because they didn't think Trump had a chance to win anyway, and attacking him was one route to getting a job in the new Administration, or at least not being on the "outs" with various opposition think-tanks, etc..  In other words, I think ""hacks" is pretty accurate.

I wouldn't hire any of those guys if I were Trump either.  Realistically, there's no reason to believe that any of them would try to implement his policies rather than just ignore a guy they despise, and just do their own thing.

That's what makes me laugh reading how these people can't understand why they are blacklisted. These open letters were pretty bad in attacking Donny as a person. They definitely pushed all their chips on the "Donny Lose" section of the roulette wheel when the signed them. They ended up losing big.

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That's what makes me laugh reading how these people can't understand why they are blacklisted. These open letters were pretty bad in attacking Donny as a person. They definitely pushed all their chips on the "Donny Lose" section of the roulette wheel when the signed them. They ended up losing big.

They lit their own fuse, and burned the bridge. Typical Inside the Beltway attitude: "the country can't survive without me!"

Harkens back to the "best and the brightest" meme. 
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That's what makes me laugh reading how these people can't understand why they are blacklisted. These open letters were pretty bad in attacking Donny as a person. They definitely pushed all their chips on the "Donny Lose" section of the roulette wheel when the signed them. They ended up losing big.

So, these people signed a letter saying they didn't trust Trump.
Now he won't hire them.
Sounds pretty normal.
Didn't they say they wouldn't work for him?
I'd say, in essence, at least, they said just that.

One more thing:
Does anyone here believe that there are people out there that are in National security that Obama and Clinton would not hire?
You can bet there are, yet we would never hear those names in the Washington Post.
Fair enough, they didn't go sign onto list of names going public against Obama or Clinton, but they are out there.
Bolton comes to mind.
There are others.



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Yeah. These national security experts have been doing a "bang up" job. The bombing of the Boston Marathon comes to mind. In the mean time I have some lazy govt' TSA workers finger stuck up my ass so that I can have the privileged of flying to Des Moines on business.

The "experts" deserve to be thrown down a well and pissed on. It has been proven they are frauds just interested in collecting a paycheck.

You know you don't hear about most of the successes, right?

Just two examples were the capture of Saddam Hussein and the killing of Osama bin Laden.

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Bloodbath coming. How could Trump ever trust a group of people who have declared a blood-oath to oppose him in any way they can? Seriously? What would cause Trump to believe that they would not go to the press every time they disagree with any decision he makes?


They declared publicly and with great fanfare how they do not trust Trump and will never support him, and now they have the nerve to fain outrage when Trump reverses the sentiment and says the same thing about them?


Screw those guys. They are toast. They took a bad bet, and they lost. Buh-bye.

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A "blood-oath?"  When did this happen?  I think I saw something similar on "Salem" the other week.  Was there chanting involved?

Getting emotionally involved in politics makes no sense. 

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You are a mentally disturbed person. Everything you wrote is so far out there, I can't even respond to it.


Do you think that you would ever be hired by IBM if you issued a formal public statement that declares that you will never support IBM under any circumstances? Is it wrong for IBM to hire people who they think will support the goals and interests of their company? I guess, according to your logic, the fact that CEOs do not hire people who hate them then that of course means that they "want to be worshipped as Gods!" LoL, that crazy thinking right there.


If someone hates Trump or IBM, then why would they want to work there in the first place? Try joining any corporation and then tell them that you do not agree with the corporation's goals or policies.


Good luck with that! I'm sure you will go far. LoL
Better you than me.

Very poor analogy.

This is like someone who loves IBM, but cannot stand it's new CEO.

Someone who is extremely knowledgeable in a field with has an extremely limited number of people in it.

Does the CEO do what's best for IBM and hire the best person for the job, knowing the candidate may hate the CEO?

Or does he let the position stay open or hire someone with less talent who can't do the job as well?

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In all of your partisan idolatry of Trump did you ever stop to think that some of these people are more interested in securing the country and put the country over politics?

To the LOLLIPOPs, Trump is their country. 

Not America.

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Did you read what I wrote? Did you understand it?


In the military I never "idolized" my C.O., but you can be damn sure I never crossed him and I followed his orders without question.


I never "worshipped him as a God" either, although I am sure he would not have objected if I did. LoL!

And that only applies within the military.

The rest of existence is governed by different rules.

As America is not a military institution, you'll need to set standards differently.

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I'm going to be honest....I think the fangirling is actually kind of cute.  It's definitely heartfelt, that's clear to see.

And I do understand that some of you have a need to believe that those of us who didn't vote for Trump are dying inside, clothing ourselves in black and curling into balls to sob out our heartbreak.  I get that.  I said so right after the election.  It's an emotion-based need.  Therefore, you can't be talked out of it, so I say, enjoy!

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Bloodbath coming. How could Trump ever trust a group of people who have declared a blood-oath to oppose him in any way they can? Seriously? What would cause Trump to believe that they would not go to the press every time they disagree with any decision he makes?


They declared publicly and with great fanfare how they do not trust Trump and will never support him, and now they have the nerve to fain outrage when Trump reverses the sentiment and says the same thing about them?


Screw those guys. They are toast. They took a bad bet, and they lost. Buh-bye.
May I ask two things—and I say this knowing all along that Trump is exactly the kind of character who would blacklist people regardless of competence as long as they refused to glorify him, so this was bound to happen—please?

One, if you have personnel that perhaps do not like you but do the job better than a kiss-up, why would you hire the incompetent kiss-up? Just to prove a lesson?

Two, is this not a republic, far bigger than one elected office?

Donald Trump is not an expert on national security, regardless of what he claims on his Twitter handle. I would think a self-professed dealmaker like Trump would want to earn the trust of those who do know better, rather than just cast them all aside.
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I'm going to be honest....I think the fangirling is actually kind of cute.  It's definitely heartfelt, that's clear to see.

And I do understand that some of you have a need to believe that those of us who didn't vote for Trump are dying inside, clothing ourselves in black and curling into balls to sob out our heartbreak.  I get that.  I said so right after the election.  It's an emotion-based need.  Therefore, you can't be talked out of it, so I say, enjoy!

My dear....I appreciate all the empathy you display here, but....

I didn't mean that meme for anyone but @Cripplecreek .   You could say that meme was made for the likes of him.

Don't make more of it that it was intended.   If I wanted it to include nice folks like you, I'd have pinged ya!   
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You know you don't hear about most of the successes, right?



I remember reading about our intel guys stealing a Soviet satellite that was on display under guard. They managed to grab it, disassemble, photograph and catalogue every nut and bolt, and return it by morning without the Soviets finding out about it for months.

The fact is that our intel guys are the best in the world. They were betrayed by the Obama administration who wouldn't allow them to do their jobs and now "conservatives" are drooling over the opportunity to throw them under the bus in favor of one of their primary adversaries.