Consumers have rights,
Yes, they do have the right to start a competing business by risking their own wealth to purchase property and then expend their time and labor to make that business successful, as they define success! Beyond that, they have no more rights to those things from another, than my neighbor has rights to my house.
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business owners have rights.
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Yes, they own the property, have risked their time and capital, so their rights trump mine. If I find it to be an objectionable business, then I am free to enter the market by making the same risks. Hopefully, it would result in me taking their customer base and achieving my own success.
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Here they appear to conflict and you insist on a legal resolution. Well, I've proposed one, that accommodates both.
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You may see a conflict, however there is no conflict. Private property rights are sacrosanct and as a result the owner's preferences trump mine and yours. You may think that all preferences can be accomodated, but that is not a remote possibility.
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I laugh at your statement that I don't understand the meaning of liberty - your notion is your way or the highway, and if the consumer is tossed from your store because of your arbitrary (and secret) demand that he conform to your moral values, then tough toenails. I think you're a perfect candidate for progressivism.
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This statement is proof that you don't understand liberty or private property, both go hand in hand. Private property rights have been abrogated to the collective in every progressive society. You are espousing for the use of government guns to over ride the preferences of a private property owner, ask yourself why. I highly doubt that you are able to answer. You may not "feel" like you are a progressive, but quite frankly you are siding with the progressive OWS types in this discussion.'
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As for abortion, that's off-topic for this thread. But I bet you're a male who'll never have to endure nine months of pregnancy with no support from family or partner.
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First, Yes abortion is off the topic of the title, but it is very much related to liberty. I didn't bring it into the discussion and honestly I can't remember if you did. However, you did reply to another poster's bringing it into the discussion, so I decided to use your reply as proof of my postings. Secondly, what does it matter what sex I am? That argument is a text book leftist argument.
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The woman's liberty and self-determination no doubt means nothing to you - and again, such callousness is more akin, IMO, to progressivism than conservatism.
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I see that you have conveniently left out the liberty of the most helpless. Yes a woman has, and very well should have, all the liberties of the rest of society. So does the unique human being that is created at conception. You claim that liberty is defined as the ability to MURDER that unique human being. Let me re-state your position regarding individual liberty. You are claiming that a consumer's liberty is based on some fictitious right to make demands from other free individuals, and a woman's liberty is based on her ability to murder an unborn child.
I can't think of any position that is more opposed to liberty.
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I don't defend the horrible practice of abortion. But I defend a woman's liberty just as I do my own, and seek to deter and reduce abortions by other, more effective means than calling upon the police power of the state.
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Yet you are willing to call upon the police power of the state to abrogate the rights of a property owner.