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« Reply #50 on: October 28, 2016, 02:02:04 pm »
Everyone stocked up on popcorn?


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« Reply #51 on: October 28, 2016, 02:02:38 pm »
uh-oh.

This is almost worst case scenario for Hillary, because there won't be enough time to complete the investigation. That means she's going to be entering election day with the cloud of a newly-reopened FBI investigation hanging over her head.  It's almost impossible for them to even fight back against it because there are no details.

I was pretty certain this thing was over, but it may not be.

Most likely got the heads up which would explain why she doesn't have scheduled events through election day.
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« Reply #52 on: October 28, 2016, 02:03:06 pm »
Everyone stocked up on popcorn?

I fear the shelves will be bare by the time I get home from work....

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« Reply #53 on: October 28, 2016, 02:03:06 pm »
No doubt about it.

But ... wouldn't the irony be delicious if this turns out to be Hillary's Watergate Moment?

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« Reply #54 on: October 28, 2016, 02:03:29 pm »
This could be a good October surprise.

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« Reply #55 on: October 28, 2016, 02:03:46 pm »
Fox News ‏@FoxNews 37m37 minutes ago

Letter FBI Director James Comey sent to House Judiciary Committee on re-opening the investigation of #HillaryClinton's private e-mail server



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« Reply #56 on: October 28, 2016, 02:04:20 pm »
uh-oh.

This is almost worst case scenario for Hillary, because there won't be enough time to complete the investigation. That means she's going to be entering election day with the cloud of a newly-reopened FBI investigation hanging over her head.  It's almost impossible for them to even fight back against it because there are no details.

I was pretty certain this thing was over, but it may not be.

It's up to the American voter now....

They have a choice:

1) Do they want a Nixon like scenario haunting capitol hill from day 1?

Or

2) Do they want a Trump University circus haunting capitol hill in 2017?

BTW, if a President is found guilty and Congress refuses to impeach, can a President pardon himself/herself?

 

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« Reply #57 on: October 28, 2016, 02:05:17 pm »
Nice seeing two people you hate destroy each other huh?


I can't really say what I'm looking forward to more, the damage to HRC or the unknown Trump oppo.

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« Reply #58 on: October 28, 2016, 02:05:33 pm »
Who is her Deep Throat?

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« Reply #60 on: October 28, 2016, 02:05:39 pm »
Andrew McCarthy has long held that the FBI did not pursue charges against HRC earlier because they uncovered equally damning evidence against Barack Obama.  This has the potential of busting the dam wide open. 

Stunning.

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Probably, as we all know, Obama said he first found out about the Clinton email saga on the news like the rest of us, but indeed, he was emailing in the system under a pseudonym.

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« Reply #61 on: October 28, 2016, 02:06:41 pm »
Comey is starting to Obama his pants. He sees that Trump is about to win the election. And as promised - Trump will personally see to it that Hillary will be charged and prosecuted for her crimes.

And since Comey is and has been complicit in those crimes - he's going to jail too!

This is just a lame effort to weasel out of his criminal involvements with the Clintons and their dirty money which he has stuffed in his pockets.

That's silly.  This is not going to cause those who are voting for Hillary to change their vote.   

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« Reply #62 on: October 28, 2016, 02:08:21 pm »
Most likely got the heads up which would explain why she doesn't have scheduled events through election day.

Well, I think that might be so that she could maintain flexibility as to where to do.  But this is not good for at all.

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« Reply #63 on: October 28, 2016, 02:08:27 pm »
I read the opposite.  This is just more cover to look tough when the fix has been in for a very long time.   Another long, pretend investigation will end just loke the first one.


Bizarre timing though. 2 weeks before an election he sends this email?


I don't get it.

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« Reply #64 on: October 28, 2016, 02:09:06 pm »
Most likely got the heads up which would explain why she doesn't have scheduled events through election day.

Is Tim Kaine ready for the 11 most miserable days of his life? If Hillary's holed up in Chappaqua, he's likely the one to catch the flak.
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« Reply #65 on: October 28, 2016, 02:09:41 pm »
Exactly.  If Trumpsters will still vote for an assaulter of women, Hillary voters will still vote for a doofus in handling classified info.

Exactly.  It feels better every day to be #NeverTrump, #NeverHillary.
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« Reply #66 on: October 28, 2016, 02:10:04 pm »
Okay after reading it, it is a big fat nothing burger (as the Trumpsters like to say).  All it is doing is covering their own behinds (the FBI) in order to prove they are considering all new evidence.  It says nothing and will assuredly end like the other ended.  The fix is in.  Anyone who thinks there was ever a chance that Hillary would be charged with a crime has too much faith in the system.  It has been fatally corrupted by politics.

I don't think so.  He's undoubtedly smart enough to understand the tremendous political impact of writing a letter of this sort, this close to the election.  A two-week delay would be perfectly reasonable and easy to defend.  Which is to say, he doesn't do it for light and transient reasons.

As I said above, Comey doesn't write a letter like this unless the determination has already been made, that it's serious, and the scale of the "new discoveries" is significant.  And, probably, the discoveries catch Clinton or her people in flat-out lies of the sort to place them in legal jeopardy.

It's interesting to speculate about the source of the new e-mails: is it wikileaks?  Guccifer?  Somebody else?  Whatever the source or the contents, Comey sees them as admitting no delay beyond the election.

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« Reply #67 on: October 28, 2016, 02:10:11 pm »
For the first time, my gut is telling me this is the high water mark of the Clinton syndicate.  I hate that feeling.  Oh, I want it to be the end.  But, it gives me expectations.  Hopeful expectations.  When I have expectations, I get disappointed.  $hit. 

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« Reply #68 on: October 28, 2016, 02:10:18 pm »
Is Tim Kaine ready for the 11 most miserable days of his life? If Hillary's holed up in Chappaqua, he's likely the one to catch the flak.

Or he may be getting giddy at the prospect that her electors may vote for him if she doesn't qualify via dropping out or some criminal issue.

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« Reply #69 on: October 28, 2016, 02:11:08 pm »
BTW, if a President is found guilty and Congress refuses to impeach, can a President pardon himself/herself?
It hasn't happened before, but in theory, yes. Consider it a form of sovereign immunity.
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« Reply #70 on: October 28, 2016, 02:11:30 pm »
That's silly.  This is not going to cause those who are voting for Hillary to change their vote.   


It will damage her. It did last time.


Maybe not enough to win, but it will damage her. I'll bet anything.


Of course, depends on what comes out about Trump.

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« Reply #71 on: October 28, 2016, 02:11:55 pm »
I posit that it's all (this latest announcement of reopening the "case") just another distraction and deflection.  Yeah, Rush.  I'm the cynic.  And none of this will negatively impact the Hillary campaign enough to result in a Clinton loss....

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« Reply #72 on: October 28, 2016, 02:13:15 pm »
Only if/when the FBI frog marches Clinton to jail in handcuffs, will I ever regain any trust in the credibility of the FBI.

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« Reply #73 on: October 28, 2016, 02:14:06 pm »
It hasn't happened before, but in theory, yes. Consider it a form of sovereign immunity.

Wouldn't surprise me if Obama already has a pardon ready for her... to be signed on his last day in office.

If the FBI is serious about looking further down this rabbit hole at some point they are going to find the POTUS and he can't let that happen. 
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« Reply #74 on: October 28, 2016, 02:14:34 pm »
Whatever the left has on Trump, they'll have to drop it tonight.........

I was thinking today but they might wait until the beginning of the week to have maximum pre-election damage.  I'm certain they're going to drop some kind of major bomb.

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« Reply #75 on: October 28, 2016, 02:15:15 pm »

It will damage her. It did last time.


Maybe not enough to win, but it will damage her. I'll bet anything.


Of course, depends on what comes out about Trump.

Very few undecideds AND lots of votes already in the bank.   Yes, it may damage her, but if it doesn't damage her in NC and Pennsylvania, it doesn't matter.
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« Reply #76 on: October 28, 2016, 02:16:00 pm »
Aye.

I'm with you.  But, this somehow feels different.  The next days will tell us a lot.
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« Reply #77 on: October 28, 2016, 02:16:51 pm »

Is this the long rumored N-bomb tape?

With his recent reiteration of his "new deal" for blacks, that would be my guess.  Only I think it's going to be a multiple warhead.

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« Reply #78 on: October 28, 2016, 02:16:58 pm »
I posit that it's all (this latest announcement of reopening the "case") just another distraction and deflection.  Yeah, Rush.  I'm the cynic.  And none of this will negatively impact the Hillary campaign enough to result in a Clinton loss....

unfortunately.

One of the issues surrounding this and most of the stuff on Wikileaks is it is simply too comlpex for the average person to understand. I just took three paragraphs to describe as simply as possible the difference between a private email domain and a private email server. That wasn't for the lack of being informed from the person I was talking to, it was just a complex issue.

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« Reply #79 on: October 28, 2016, 02:17:43 pm »
Me reading between the lines?  He had rebellion on his hands.  Long-time, honorable investigators had their pitchforks out.

If nothing else, the letter states quite clearly that "the investigative team" has continued to work on this.

More interesting, is that the new information came up as part of "an unrelated case."  Woah!!!!

Read that again.  Comey is telling Congress that Clinton's e-mails are relevant to a separate FBI case, with contents relevant and serious enough to re-open this investigation?

What is the nature of that other case?  Presumably it's a criminal case -- and the Clinton e-mails are part of it!

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« Reply #80 on: October 28, 2016, 02:18:34 pm »
If only the polls were indicating a commanding lead for a Republican candidate.  This would be quite a different feeling. 
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« Reply #81 on: October 28, 2016, 02:19:48 pm »
Trump's absolute best move at this point would be to announce that he's only going to run for one term.  Sell himself as the non-politician going in for four years just to clean it up, then leave.  Make the argument that once she gets in she'll never let go of power because she's been after it all her life.

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« Reply #82 on: October 28, 2016, 02:20:07 pm »
The most damaging accusations about the Clintons the GOP make is that's they are "above the law". There is ample proof out there. From the 1990's to the email scandal. Clinton getting out of the FBI investigation hurt her greatly. It was the only time Trump beat her in the RCP polling average IIRC.


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« Reply #83 on: October 28, 2016, 02:20:19 pm »
I think there was something in the Federalist papers discussing impeachment from office and why the threshold is so high and why a President can't be generally convicted outside of that. He wouldn't need to pardon himself, he could be charged but not punished outside impeachment. Prevents using general judges to try to control the Executive branch.

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« Reply #84 on: October 28, 2016, 02:21:58 pm »
Trump's absolute best move at this point would be to announce that he's only going to run for one term.  Sell himself as the non-politician going in for four years just to clean it up, then leave.  Make the argument that once she gets in she'll never let go of power because she's been after it all her life.

"So if you're undecided, what would you rather have?  Four years of me, or eight years of her?"

I don't honestly think either one of them will make it through a full term without being impeached.
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« Reply #85 on: October 28, 2016, 02:22:56 pm »
I don't honestly think either one of them will make it through a full term without being impeached.

Don't forget impeached doesnt mean removed from office.   
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« Reply #86 on: October 28, 2016, 02:23:33 pm »
BTW, if a President is found guilty and Congress refuses to impeach, can a President pardon himself/herself?


I don't think so. Impeachment *is* charges, and investigation is just an investigation. What a President can do is fire whoever is investigating him, such as Nixon and the "Saturday Night Massacre".
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« Reply #87 on: October 28, 2016, 02:26:56 pm »

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Don't forget impeached doesnt mean removed from office.


Yup just means he/she has been indicted. Up to the Senate to find him/her guilty of the charges.
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Pete Williams sources say in course of a separate investigation, FBI came across "a device." found emails there. but emails NOT from HRC
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« Reply #92 on: October 28, 2016, 02:28:24 pm »
Don't forget impeached doesnt mean removed from office.

I think the chance that Senate Democrats vote to convict and remove from office the first female President are somewhere between zero and none.

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« Reply #93 on: October 28, 2016, 02:29:29 pm »
One of the issues surrounding this and most of the stuff on Wikileaks is it is simply too comlpex for the average person to understand. I just took three paragraphs to describe as simply as possible the difference between a private email domain and a private email server. That wasn't for the lack of being informed from the person I was talking to, it was just a complex issue.

I tend to disagree that Obama 'had no way of knowing' that he was emailing Hillary on an unsecured server.  For one thing....any email communication he sent should have had that .gov in the address for it to be secure and official.  Plus the fact that he was communicating unofficially under a pseudonym.   He knew damned well what he AND she was doing.  That's why nothing will ever come from these "leaks" of Hillary's emails.  It would equate to Obama going down too.  Can't have that!
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#FBI Director was a political hack/bum to #GOP yesterday Today hailed a hero. That aside, this is a seismic development vs @HillaryClinton
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« Reply #95 on: October 28, 2016, 02:30:53 pm »
I think the chance that Senate Democrats vote to convict and remove from office the first female President are somewhere between zero and none.


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I'm not so sure to be honest. Presumably many would be worried about 2020, which is a mid-term and is usually when the conservative vote is strongest.

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« Reply #96 on: October 28, 2016, 02:32:12 pm »
You are reading more into it than is there.  The info they are talking about "investigating" is likely the info that has been leaked into the media.  They are playing catch-up.  They are the FBI for gosh sakes.  It is their job to investigate.  As for related issues...that is probably investigations into how everyone and their grandmother seems to have access to this info.  I'm guessing the bigger investigation underneath all of this is hacking in general.  Big picture, our security as a Nation cannot suffer with all this hacking.  Hillary email issues are issues of the past.  Hacking is an ongoing issue.  You tell me what would get priority attention.

How valiant to defend Hillary;    :silly:

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« Reply #97 on: October 28, 2016, 02:32:44 pm »
It's up to the American voter now....

They have a choice:

1) Do they want a Nixon like scenario haunting capitol hill from day 1?

Or

2) Do they want a Trump University circus haunting capitol hill in 2017?

 


Let's pull for Evan McMullin to take Utah.  That could provide a lever for Congress to reject both Too Corrupt and Too Crazy.   
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Offline ABX

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Re: BREAKING: FBI PROBING NEW CLINTON EMAILS..
« Reply #98 on: October 28, 2016, 02:33:07 pm »
Paul Ryan just called for suspending Hillary's classified brifings.

Can you believe it. First, the Republicans work all year to try to put an African-American family out of public housing and take their job away. Now those nasty old Republicans are trying to prevent a senior citizen from being able to acquire a job and a home.

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Re: BREAKING: FBI PROBING NEW CLINTON EMAILS..
« Reply #99 on: October 28, 2016, 02:34:44 pm »
Noise and confusion signifying nothing.  In the end, Hillary will be president. tRump wlll continue temper tantrums, and begin cheating on Melania.