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More campaign malpractice, either by incompetence or design.  They didn't even follow through with volunteer sign-up sheets.

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....The Clinton campaign by far has the better ground game. As of earlier this month, the Democrats had 161 staffers and 32 offices in Arizona. The Trump doesn’t have much of a ground operation and it seems like Trump isn’t interesting in investing money here. Trump mostly is relying on personal appearances and earned media. At a recent Trump rally they passed around sign-up sheets to volunteer for the campaign. Some of those sheets weren’t even collected.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/25/hillary-clinton-has-32-offices-open-in-arizona-donald-trump-doesnt/


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I had read the the RNC raised record amounts of cash lately.
Where is it going?
Down ballot only?
What's up?
Didn't the Trump campaign say they had a record haul?

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Just one more massive fail for Donny in a yuuge history of them...


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I had read the the RNC raised record amounts of cash lately.
Where is it going?
Down ballot only?
What's up?
Didn't the Trump campaign say they had a record haul?

Check Trump's own FEC filings to the answer to that.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-directs-donor-money-art-of-deal-publisher

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POLL SHOWS TRUMP 5 POINTS BEHIND IN AZ; JUST ONE HUGE PROBLEM
OCTOBER 24, 2016
http://defund.com/poll-shows-trump-5-points-behind-az-just-one-huge-problem-2/

The Trump campaign may not be worried out Arizona, looks like the poll showing him behind was heavily slanted.

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The Trump campaign may not be worried out Arizona, looks like the poll showing him behind was heavily slanted.

Typical Trumpette thinking that political realities do not apply to them. Who is going to get people out to vote? Hitlaries people are sitting in a phone bank staying on top of the Super Voters and making sure they get to the polls. They are running buses to nursing homes. They are knocking on doors to squeeze every last vote.

What are you doing to get your guy across the finish line? Posting stupidity to a handful of people who generally HATE Donny? Looks like time well spent Tom.

Then when you guys lose in a route because of all your laziness, you will blame a rigged system that you were too ignorant to operate in. It will be the new meme for the time "The Vast Left Wing Conspiracy".

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Typical Trumpette thinking that political realities do not apply to them. Who is going to get people out to vote? Hitlaries people are sitting in a phone bank staying on top of the Super Voters and making sure they get to the polls. They are running buses to nursing homes. They are knocking on doors to squeeze every last vote.

What are you doing to get your guy across the finish line? Posting stupidity to a handful of people who generally HATE Donny? Looks like time well spent Tom.

Then when you guys lose in a route because of all your laziness, you will blame a rigged system that you were too ignorant to operate in. It will be the new meme for the time "The Vast Left Wing Conspiracy".

Hillary's people are working phone banks and going door to door.  Trump's people are attending rallies (ask them and they'll tell you how large his rallies are).   :silly: :silly: 
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Hillary's people are working phone banks and going door to door.  Trump's people are attending rallies (ask them and they'll tell you how large his rallies are).   :silly: :silly:

And they're posting at sites like TOS and TBR to extol the greatness of Trump.

You don't need phone banks when you've got the nominee tweeting at 4 AM.
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Hillary's people are working phone banks and going door to door.  Trump's people are attending rallies (ask them and they'll tell you how large his rallies are).   :silly: :silly:

It seems to be the prevailing strategy of Trumpettes. Meet up in safe spaces i.e.; rallies and pat themselves on the back for a job well done.

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I was deeply involved in the 2004 Bush campaign, and the GOTV effort was astounding.....more than any other I've been part of.

We had large phone banks going non-stop, we had door to door campaigns on Saturday mornings, we had an organized letter to the editor campaign, and on election day we had drivers picking up people because we were able to keep track of who had voted and who still needed to vote, and we were making phone calls all day long.

We won our county BIG time, and won the state IN SPITE of the massive voter fraud for John Kerry in metropolitan areas.

Say what you will about Karl Rove and George W. Bush, that was a campaign to WIN, and the polar opposite of this one.

Trump has proven at every level that he's not in it to win, and this is just one more indication that he's either an idiot, or a stalking horse.
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I was deeply involved in the 2004 Bush campaign, and the GOTV effort was astounding.....more than any other I've been part of.

We had large phone banks going non-stop, we had door to door campaigns on Saturday mornings, we had an organized letter to the editor campaign, and on election day we had drivers picking up people because we were able to keep track of who had voted and who still needed to vote, and we were making phone calls all day long.

We won our county BIG time, and won the state IN SPITE of the massive voter fraud for John Kerry in metropolitan areas.

Say what you will about Karl Rove and George W. Bush, that was a campaign to WIN, and the polar opposite of this one.

Trump has proven at every level that he's not in it to win, and this is just one more indication that he's either an idiot, or a stalking horse.

Ditto, we had signs on every corner, stacks of bumper stickers and door flyers. By this time in the election cycle, I had knocked on hundreds of doors myself and made just as many phone calls. More importantly, we had very strong GOTV efforts including plans to help people get to the polls who had transportation issues. We had poll watchers lined up. We had 'ra ra' rallies for local volunteers to make sure they were fired up for election day. Not once did we whine or complain things weren't fair. We acted like champions and winners.

Campaign coordination was strong and clear.

Basically the exact opposite of what we are seeing come from Trump's campaign.

From him, we are seeing signs of a campaign that doesn't win and is already making excuses why they won't.

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I was deeply involved in the 2004 Bush campaign, and the GOTV effort was astounding.....more than any other I've been part of.

We had large phone banks going non-stop, we had door to door campaigns on Saturday mornings, we had an organized letter to the editor campaign, and on election day we had drivers picking up people because we were able to keep track of who had voted and who still needed to vote, and we were making phone calls all day long.

We won our county BIG time, and won the state IN SPITE of the massive voter fraud for John Kerry in metropolitan areas.

Say what you will about Karl Rove and George W. Bush, that was a campaign to WIN, and the polar opposite of this one.

Trump has proven at every level that he's not in it to win, and this is just one more indication that he's either an idiot, or a stalking horse.

Me too.  Had the yard signs, bumper stickers, t-shirts, you name it. I didn't do any actual canvassing but I was certainly more active than I'd ever been before or since.




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But Trump has lots of people at his rallies and we all know that transfers into tons of votes and campaign offices don't matter and neither do GOTV activities, because Trump is great at slinging insults on Twitter! 

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More campaign malpractice, either by incompetence or design.  They didn't even follow through with volunteer sign-up sheets.

What states HAS Trump actually tried to win in?  Which states has Trump spent campaign money in?  It's starting to look like he thinks he can keep the money for himself.  And considering his vast wealth (supposedly) he'll probably pull it off.
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I was deeply involved in the 2004 Bush campaign, and the GOTV effort was astounding.....more than any other I've been part of.

We had large phone banks going non-stop, we had door to door campaigns on Saturday mornings, we had an organized letter to the editor campaign, and on election day we had drivers picking up people because we were able to keep track of who had voted and who still needed to vote, and we were making phone calls all day long.

We won our county BIG time, and won the state IN SPITE of the massive voter fraud for John Kerry in metropolitan areas.

Say what you will about Karl Rove and George W. Bush, that was a campaign to WIN, and the polar opposite of this one.

Trump has proven at every level that he's not in it to win, and this is just one more indication that he's either an idiot, or a stalking horse.

I was also very involved in the '04 Bush campaign.  We had scheduled phone banks and an enormous 'get out the vote' push right before election day.  Door to door campaigning, meet and greets to keep organized and grow the effort, and standing at shopping centers, gun shows, restaurants, etc., handing out literature was done for months.

Trump is either a complete fraud or completely clueless.
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Ditto, we had signs on every corner, stacks of bumper stickers and door flyers. By this time in the election cycle, I had knocked on hundreds of doors myself and made just as many phone calls. More importantly, we had very strong GOTV efforts including plans to help people get to the polls who had transportation issues. We had poll watchers lined up. We had 'ra ra' rallies for local volunteers to make sure they were fired up for election day. Not once did we whine or complain things weren't fair. We acted like champions and winners.

Campaign coordination was strong and clear.

Basically the exact opposite of what we are seeing come from Trump's campaign.

From him, we are seeing signs of a campaign that doesn't win and is already making excuses why they won't.

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I never even got a local call asking me to help, even though I've been active in the Republican party here.

That's too bad, because I wanted the opportunity to turn them down and say that I couldn't even vote for a sleaze like Trump let alone make calls for him.....

I don't even know if there's a phone bank here, or a door to door campaign.

I really, REALLY don't think Trump was ever in this to win.
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I was deeply involved in the 2004 Bush campaign, and the GOTV effort was astounding.....more than any other I've been part of.

Ditto. I was also involved in '04 and subsequent Presidential elections. I wasn't sitting around on FR high fiving an expected win. I was wasting a lot of free time going through sheets of Super Voters and then lesser voters making sure they got to the polls. Standing at polling places to hand out pamphlets down ballot folks on election day. It was a lot of work and sometimes the candidates didn't win, but the effort was made. I see no effort being made this time and the people I know in the local party confirm that.

Trump supporters are either ignorant or lazy....maybe both, but the way they go on posting about what a great candidate he is you would think they would step up and push as hard as they could to get him across the finish line.

BTW, I am really enjoying the vacation from the whole mess this year.

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@AbaraXas @guitar4jesus

I never even got a local call asking me to help, even though I've been active in the Republican party here.

That's too bad, because I wanted the opportunity to turn them down and say that I couldn't even vote for a sleaze like Trump let alone make calls for him.....

I don't even know if there's a phone bank here, or a door to door campaign.

I really, REALLY don't think Trump was ever in this to win.

Literally all I've seen from Trump® is about 5 mailers over the past year.  That's it!  I'm in FL.  Crazy!


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What states HAS Trump actually tried to win in?  Which states has Trump spent campaign money in?  It's starting to look like he thinks he can keep the money for himself.  And considering his vast wealth (supposedly) he'll probably pull it off.

That's a great question.  Where has the money gone?

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@AbaraXas @guitar4jesus

I never even got a local call asking me to help, even though I've been active in the Republican party here.

That's too bad, because I wanted the opportunity to turn them down and say that I couldn't even vote for a sleaze like Trump let alone make calls for him.....

I don't even know if there's a phone bank here, or a door to door campaign.

I really, REALLY don't think Trump was ever in this to win.

So apparently, the PTBs no longer care about continuing to push the illusion that We, the People have a vote or a choice in who "leads" us.  When the ballot box fails us....

there is only one other recourse.  Right?
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They aren't even trying and people are not enthused. My dad and I just did a road trip across four states, red and blue areas, and the results of counting political signs and bumper stickers was shocking.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,230964.0.html

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As we approach November 8th, it becomes increasingly evident that the Trump campaign was never about the Presidential election.

Instead, it has always been about creating a client base, and banking funds not for use before the election, but for use after the election, when the Trump Network will be launched, nominally as a political movement but actually as another eponymous money-making enterprise for its namesake. 
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As we approach November 8th, it becomes increasingly evident that the Trump campaign was never about the Presidential election.

Instead, it has always been about creating a client base, and banking funds not for use before the election, but for use after the election, when the Trump Network will be launched, nominally as a political movement but actually as another eponymous money-making enterprise for its namesake.

We've been talking about the Trump TV or Trump Media Network here for almost a year as his potential 'end game', even before it started hitting the news. In the last few weeks, it is becoming obvious that is what his real goal was (and he basically started it last night on Facebook). His campaign has been one big publicity stunt for that.

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Ditto. I was also involved in '04 and subsequent Presidential elections. I wasn't sitting around on FR high fiving an expected win. I was wasting a lot of free time going through sheets of Super Voters and then lesser voters making sure they got to the polls. Standing at polling places to hand out pamphlets down ballot folks on election day. It was a lot of work and sometimes the candidates didn't win, but the effort was made. I see no effort being made this time and the people I know in the local party confirm that.

Trump supporters are either ignorant or lazy....maybe both, but the way they go on posting about what a great candidate he is you would think they would step up and push as hard as they could to get him across the finish line.

BTW, I am really enjoying the vacation from the whole mess this year.

You know, me too.   This year, I can hang up on the calls I used to make.

It's rather liberating!  ^-^
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Trump supporters are either ignorant or lazy....maybe both, but the way they go on posting about what a great candidate he is you would think they would step up and push as hard as they could to get him across the finish line.


They like going to rallies.  Big rallies to worship his Orangeness.  So they have that going for them.