WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump

[jmyrlefuller]

Yep.  The danger of a forum is the illusion that it somehow represents any significant group outside of it. 

The main reason I post in this forum is expressly to ESCAPE the groups outside of it.

[INVAR]

Well, there goes another legendary poster. You know the only folks chased off this pitiful excuse for a right-leaning website are Trump voters.

Trump voters, the only republican voters standing against the sorrowful loss of American sovereignty that will surely be our future if we stupidly allow ourself to elect an authoritarian, progressive left regime, headed by the most corrupt person to ever seek the presidency, Hillary Clinton.

But, y'all go ahead, vote Darryl Castle 2016.

Stupid is as stupid does.

You *sElected* Hildabeast the moment you decided to support her Trojan Stalking Horse to be your prince.

So we will be voting for Castle or Johnson or whomever we write-in.

The *blame* for Hildabeast being coronated without the self-evident corruption necessary to create an appearance of legitimacy lies with you and your fellow Trumpatriots.

[Smokin Joe]

I know what he wrote and I am in no way condoning it....I just think it is so sad that this election has caused all this...friends turning on each other.

If this is as close as we get to the 'brother against brother' of 150+ years ago, we may be fortunate indeed.

[Smokin Joe]

They thought they would have us when they bullied Cruz into an endorsement, but no.

That is back to following principles versus the person. If we had suddenly found out some horrible and completely credible nastiness about Cruz, we would have been disappointed in the person, but our principles would have remained intact, the metric by which other candidates would have been measured.

Those who follow the person (often at the expense of principles) are not so anchored, and have difficulty understanding that.

I think much of the strife we are seeing is a direct result of those who have absolute morals versus those who are practicing situation ethics.

[sinkspur]

Well, there goes another legendary poster. You know the only folks chased off this pitiful excuse for a right-leaning website are Trump voters.

Trump voters, the only republican voters standing against the sorrowful loss of American sovereignty that will surely be our future if we stupidly allow ourself to elect an authoritarian, progressive left regime, headed by the most corrupt person to ever seek the presidency, Hillary Clinton.

But, y'all go ahead, vote Darryl Castle 2016.

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

You mistake a tiny contingent of #NeverTrumpers for a force that can actually deny Trump the White House.

Look at any poll. Several million are saying they will not vote for Trump.  Nothing our little group here does  will make any difference one way or another. 

American sovereignty is safe because of Americans.  We survived Obama, we'll survive Hillary.

We'll survive Hillary likely better than we'd survive Trump.

[Smokin Joe]

I'm sure we all would rather deal with issues than flame wars. Yes, even evil old me. But the more pressure builds up, the bigger the blast when it ignites.

You cannot placate people only interested in getting their way. They just keep ramping up, as we clearly see daily until they get their spoiled child way or they get blowback. And most of us are done with catering to their same speil over and over.

Both personal experience and history indicate that if you try, they will just want more of it. "Peace in our time" and all that.

[Smokin Joe]

@musiclady

You're exactly right.  It is only some of them. 

It's just one more instance of 2016 being an eye-opening reveal.

Abuse of power, however derived, is not limited to any particular political ideology.
Sexual assault, especially as described, isn't about sex, it is about asserting dominance: a power trip.

[sinkspur]

Unfortunately they won't. they will blend back in to the right wing population only to reemerge at crucial points once again sabotaging any move towards conservatism.

I really don't think so.  George Wallace's crowd (remember, he won five states) virtually vanished after Nixon was elected.  Trump is dead as a political force.  Anger dissipates once the target event is over. 

We can all unite in support of the Republican House and be in opposition to Hillary.  But Trump was an interloper, an outsider who had no business running for president.  And, as many of us said on June 15, 2015, there is no way this guy could ever win the presidency.

[mystery-ak]

If this is as close as we get to the 'brother against brother' of 150+ years ago, we may be fortunate indeed.

I have thought of that analogy also and we are almost there.

[Smokin Joe]

The guy on the right has potential . . . 

@ Honest John.

Yep. He can keep his eye on the ball! He can focus on what is really important! 

[Smokin Joe]

I have thought of that analogy also and we are almost there.

Unfortunately so.

[Smokin Joe]

I really don't think so.  George Wallace's crowd (remember, he won five states) virtually vanished after Nixon was elected.  Trump is dead as a political force.  Anger dissipates once the target event is over. 

We can all unite in support of the Republican House and be in opposition to Hillary.  But Trump was an interloper, an outsider who had no business running for president.  And, as many of us said on June 15, 2015, there is no way this guy could ever win the presidency.

George Wallace's crowd vanished after he got shot. Had Wallace not been crippled in that shooting, he may have been a bigger force in politics. The people I knew who were Wallace supporters mainly were after States' Rights.

[Norm Lenhart]

I really don't think so.  George Wallace's crowd (remember, he won five states) virtually vanished after Nixon was elected.  Trump is dead as a political force.  Anger dissipates once the target event is over. 

We can all unite in support of the Republican House and be in opposition to Hillary.  But Trump was an interloper, an outsider who had no business running for president.  And, as many of us said on June 15, 2015, there is no way this guy could ever win the presidency.

Trump himself, yes I agree. But the true believers wanted him for their revenge. They will not get it with him so they will be doubly POd.

I hope you're right. I genuinely do. But after living through this election season and seeing what we have, I can't make myself accept those nut cases are going to disappear. Not after their physical threats, physical attacks, throwing out every conservative principle, every Christian principle...I just can't buy that.

[aligncare]

If you voted Republican your entire life but just now decide you won't vote for the republican nominee...then, yes, you are enabling Hillary Clinton. It's not as if you were lifelong democrats. Those we expect, but republicans? deciding not to engage?

#NeverTrump is a republican invention, and it is an abomination.

[jmyrlefuller]

George Wallace's crowd vanished after he got shot. Had Wallace not been crippled in that shooting, he may have been a bigger force in politics. The people I knew who were Wallace supporters mainly were after States' Rights.

It's sad that a legitimate issue like states' rights--a cause that Everett Dirksen, who encouraged the passage of the Civil Rights Act, championed, by the way, so it wasn't just a race issue--got overshadowed by that.

Dirksen was before my time but I've earned a hell of a lot of respect for the guy from what I read. His movement to repeal Reynolds v. Sims was the closest we got to an Article V convention of the states we've ever come. It's a shame he died before he could get enough states to go along with it (and not long after, the legislature engineering forced by Reynolds killed the movement). I firmly believe the implosion of states' rights was a major factor in our situation today.

[Norm Lenhart]

#NeverTrump is a republican invention, and it is an abomination.

[jpsb]

Damn, this is my old world at TOS.

Congratulations Norm:  You're a loudmouthed Eunuch.  You're a punk.

Okay, I'm out of here.  I don't like you people.  Good luck with the Hillary Presidency.

This is just a taste of what you NeverTrumpers have coming should Trump lose. The Rats will not like you  and conservatives are going to downright hate you for helping to elect Hillary. Trump may be boorish but Hillary is pure evil. Trump will, from time to time, embarrass you, Hillary will bring hell to Earth every freakin day.

[r9etb]

If you voted Republican your entire life but just now decide you won't vote for the republican nominee...then, yes, you are enabling Hillary Clinton.

Piffle.

I won't vote for Donald Trump.  You talk about him like he's just some faceless Jenga piece, when in fact he's but unfit and insupportable.

Evidently you're just a Party man through and through, no matter what, and no matter how bad the candidate.  Doesn't that bother you, even a little bit?

[r9etb]

This is just a taste of what you NeverTrumpers have coming should Trump lose. The Rats will not like you  and conservatives are going to downright hate you for helping to elect Hillary. Trump may be boorish but Hillary is pure evil. Trump will, from time to time, embarrass you, Hillary will bring hell to Earth every freakin day.

Blah blah blah blah,  "waaahhhh, I don't want to take responsibility for my own choices!"

[jpsb]

Well, there goes another legendary poster. You know the only folks chased off this pitiful excuse for a right-leaning website are Trump voters.

Trump voters, the only republican voters standing against the sorrowful loss of American sovereignty that will surely be our future if we stupidly allow ourself to elect an authoritarian, progressive left regime, headed by the most corrupt person to ever seek the presidency, Hillary Clinton.

But, y'all go ahead, vote Darryl Castle 2016.

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[Silver Pines]

If you voted Republican your entire life but just now decide you won't vote for the republican nominee...then, yes, you are enabling Hillary Clinton. It's not as if you were lifelong democrats. Those we expect, but republicans? deciding not to engage?

#NeverTrump is a republican invention, and it is an abomination.

@aligncare

Abomination?

Never let politics become religion.

[Smokin Joe]

If you voted Republican your entire life but just now decide you won't vote for the republican nominee...then, yes, you are enabling Hillary Clinton. It's not as if you were lifelong democrats. Those we expect, but republicans? deciding not to engage?

#NeverTrump is a republican invention, and it is an abomination.

Consider that if I have voted Republican my entire life, I have voted four times to keep that woman away from any power whatsoever.
Then, there were at least palatable candidates, even if they increasingly did not cause an upwelling of enthusiasm because of their progressively increasing liberal histories. I voted for them knowing full well they would likely not advance Conservative causes enough to overcome the damage already done by the liberal agenda that had slipped through.

This time, the GOP has gone a bridge too far, and as far as I am concerned, they have burned it.
I'm #nevertrump, but I am also no longer affiliated with the GOP. I think you will see more of that.

[Norm Lenhart]

This is just a taste of what you NeverTrumpers have coming should Trump lose. The Rats will not like you  and conservatives are going to downright hate you for helping to elect Hillary. Trump may be boorish but Hillary is pure evil. Trump will, from time to time, embarrass you, Hillary will bring hell to Earth every freakin day.

Your impotence is showing. For elect-ile dysfunction lasting more than one forum post, see a doctor.

It's time.

[Smokin Joe]

It's sad that a legitimate issue like states' rights--a cause that Everett Dirksen, who encouraged the passage of the Civil Rights Act, championed, by the way, so it wasn't just a race issue--got overshadowed by that.

Dirksen was before my time but I've earned a hell of a lot of respect for the guy from what I read. His movement to repeal Reynolds v. Sims was the closest we got to an Article V convention of the states we've ever come. It's a shame he died before he could get enough states to go along with it (and not long after, the legislature engineering forced by Reynolds killed the movement). I firmly believe the implosion of states' rights was a major factor in our situation today.

It has been an issue for over 160 years, and will arise again. I would like to see the 17th Amendment repealed so the Senate was no longer just a clone of the House. If State Government issues were represented in the Senate again, I think the drift of power would be back toward the States and local government (and the People, just imposed on a local level and not a national one).

[jpsb]

Sorry, Arne, but Trump's worse, far worse, than Hillary.  Hillary's a conventional, corrupt politician.  She's no one's choice for President, but she won't get our soldiers killed, or worse, in a egomaniacal hissy fit like Trump may.   

It this comedy? Hillary has gotten us into war after war in the middle east and north Africa. Hillary says if elected she will impose a no fly zone over Syria. I wonder how Russia will react to us shooting down their war planes in Syria? Hillary is a cowardly neocon warmonger that left Americans to die in Benghazi. Trump is a saint compared to Hillary.