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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #175 on: October 19, 2016, 08:12:07 pm »
Exactly. But look on the bright side. in a couple weeks the shrill screeching will remind us both why we went this route ;)

Of course The Trumplestiltzkins DO seem intent on getting a head start on the shrill screaming...

Oh the Trumpist screeching is just gearing up.  Luckily, I'm immune to their siren call of idiocy.

I much suspect that....much like with Trump himself....they have a bit of a "control freak" thing going on.   They're unhappy that they can't control others and how others vote.  That is their tough luck.  They're just going to have to live with and deal with it.  Nobody controls me.
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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #176 on: October 19, 2016, 08:14:59 pm »
I swear I didn't read this "pod person" post before I posted my own.

Some of these people have seriously become the antithesis of what they once were.

How does Trump love DO that to formerly decent people??

In my experience: through the exploitation of anger, fear, rage and resentment. It can easily blind people to even the most obvious flaws of a leader who promises to relieve their perceived suffering, and especially, to punish those who are afflicting them.   
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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #177 on: October 19, 2016, 08:17:42 pm »
Oh the Trumpist screeching is just gearing up.  Luckily, I'm immune to their siren call of idiocy.

I much suspect that....much like with Trump himself....they have a bit of a "control freak" thing going on.   They're unhappy that they can't control others and how others vote.  That is their tough luck.  They're just going to have to live with and deal with it.  Nobody controls me.

Oh ABSOLUTELY they have that going on. 100%. But I gotta go back to it being another reason that they are actual liberals. What happens when you tell a liberal 'No"? they completely lose their sXit. What happens when you tell a Trumper "No"?

They completely lose their sXit too.

People say 'Dammit you call everyone a liberal'. Well, when these peoples back a liberal, attack others (including threats of violence as seen upthread for not voting for a liberal, outright lying about people, events et all like a liberal, I say the shoe fits. They act EXACTLY as a liberal acts, use the verbatim language of liberals...it's all there plain as day. We all just have to accept the evidence.
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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #178 on: October 19, 2016, 08:18:04 pm »
Actually it's not a problem. I got rid of the idiots in my life during the Romney era. My life improved dramatically. That includes nutcase family members. Haven't talked to them since.

Damn, this is my old world at TOS.

Congratulations Norm:  You're a loudmouthed Eunuch.  You're a punk.

Okay, I'm out of here.  I don't like you people.  Good luck with the Hillary Presidency.

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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #179 on: October 19, 2016, 08:20:22 pm »
Damn, this is my old world at TOS.

Congratulations Norm:  You're a loudmouthed Eunuch.  You're a punk.

Okay, I'm out of here.  I don't like you people.  Good luck with the Hillary Presidency.

You obviously mistook me for someone that GAFs what you think. Allow me to cure you of that misconception. I don't.

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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #180 on: October 19, 2016, 08:21:10 pm »
Trump said himself that she rejected him but he kept trying.

Yes.  He is a self-proclaimed predator.

It's not really a debatable point, IMO....
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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #181 on: October 19, 2016, 08:24:55 pm »
In my experience: through the exploitation of anger, fear, rage and resentment. It can easily blind people to even the most obvious flaws of a leader who promises to relieve their perceived suffering, and especially, to punish those who are afflicting them.

Correct observation.  It's easy to see the blindness of what I still believe is cult-like behavior.

It's nearly identical to the Obama cult of 2008.

I had a young female family member yell at me, "Don't say anything bad about Obama!!"

That childish, star-struck attitude is reflected in some of the comments here.

Except they're coming from middle aged men, and that's pretty creepy.
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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #182 on: October 19, 2016, 08:26:05 pm »
Trump said himself that she rejected him but he kept trying.

That was a different woman.
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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #183 on: October 19, 2016, 08:32:53 pm »
   I'd peg @ArneFufkin somewhere between ANGER and BARGANING on this CHART.
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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #184 on: October 19, 2016, 08:34:22 pm »
   I'd peg @ArneFufkin somewhere between ANGER and BARGANING on this CHART.



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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #185 on: October 19, 2016, 08:36:58 pm »
   I'd peg @ArneFufkin somewhere between ANGER and BARGANING on this CHART.


I'd say denial. At this stage they don't even understand the problem yet. they still think Trump is gonna build a wall, deport all Mexicans, deny entry to Muslims...pretty much all the think he reversed on or backed away from entirely.

Yea they are mad at us, sure, but Trump is the person I think that chart has to be applied to for them.

TLDR: They are so far into category error they don't know whether to poop or get off the pot.

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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #186 on: October 19, 2016, 08:44:04 pm »
There is no good reason for a conservative to vote FOR Trump. Hillary's friend and donor, about as liberal and corrupt as she is.

There is no case for that.

And calling us 'jackasses' is really going to help.
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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #187 on: October 19, 2016, 08:46:40 pm »
Damn, this is my old world at TOS.

Congratulations Norm:  You're a loudmouthed Eunuch.  You're a punk.

Okay, I'm out of here.  I don't like you people.  Good luck with the Hillary Presidency.

I wonder, @ArneFufkin .... if you thought you'd convince any rational person to vote for Trump with your irrational outrage here?

And if you did, HOW do you think that would happen??

Let's say I'm undecided here.  What have you said to convince me to vote for Trump?

(Hint...... you haven't even come close to persuading anyone to your POV.  Was that your purpose?  To fail?)
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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #188 on: October 19, 2016, 08:48:59 pm »
They were never decent people. they hid what they really are.

That's interesting.  Were they 'sort of decent' people as long as a test didn't come along?  Of did they have a core of hate and bitterness so strong that Trump was able to use that and then use them.
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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #189 on: October 19, 2016, 08:51:32 pm »
Enough... ArneFufkin has always been a good and thoughtful member at TBR and I hate to see him leave...please reconsider Arne.
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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #190 on: October 19, 2016, 08:53:42 pm »
Enough... ArneFufkin has always been a good and thoughtful member at TBR and I hate to see him leave...please reconsider Arne.

Well, he called all non-Trump supporters jackasses and right before that some other uncomplimentary thing so I have to say he has fallen from the 'good and thoughtful' throne.

That being said, I haven't blocked him and I hate to see people leave in a huff.
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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #191 on: October 19, 2016, 08:54:38 pm »

Well, there goes another legendary poster. You know the only folks chased off this pitiful excuse for a right-leaning website are Trump voters.

Trump voters, the only republican voters standing against the sorrowful loss of American sovereignty that will surely be our future if we stupidly allow ourself to elect an authoritarian, progressive left regime, headed by the most corrupt person to ever seek the presidency, Hillary Clinton.

But, y'all go ahead, vote Darryl Castle 2016.

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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #192 on: October 19, 2016, 08:55:38 pm »
Well, he called all non-Trump supporters jackasses and right before that some other uncomplimentary thing so I have to say he has fallen from the 'good and thoughtful' throne.

That being said, I haven't blocked him and I hate to see people leave in a huff.

This election has turned friends into enemies....it is so sad.
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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #193 on: October 19, 2016, 08:56:31 pm »
That's interesting.  Were they 'sort of decent' people as long as a test didn't come along?  Of did they have a core of hate and bitterness so strong that Trump was able to use that and then use them.

My experience in life is that people arent complicated when you get to the crux of them. They have patterns and behaviors that make them who and what they are. People can hide that, or they can act their way around it. But it doesn't change that core being.

Look at any con man. They seem like nice guys but they arent. Everything they do is calculated to screw you out of whatever they are after.

Look at serial killers. Guys like Ted Bundy were called 'handsome, charming guys' but they were really animals.

Look at the kindly grandma. She's not suddenly going to whip out an Uzi and go hunting at the local kindergarten.

The first two are examples of people hiding their true self very effectively. the Granny is what she is and is not going to do a polar flip, ever. Likewise, people that suddenly DO do polar flips in behavior are either undergoing a medical/mental breakdown of the legitimate variety...

Or they were hiding who they were all along.

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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #194 on: October 19, 2016, 08:57:36 pm »
Well, there goes another legendary poster. You know the only folks chased off this pitiful excuse for a right-leaning website are Trump voters.

Trump voters, the only republican voters standing against the sorrowful loss of American sovereignty that will surely be our future if we stupidly allow ourself to elect an authoritarian, progressive left regime, headed by the most corrupt person to ever seek the presidency, Hillary Clinton.

But, y'all go ahead, vote Darryl Castle 2016.



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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #195 on: October 19, 2016, 08:57:45 pm »
Well, there goes another legendary poster. You know the only folks chased off this pitiful excuse for a right-leaning website are Trump voters.

Trump voters, the only republican voters standing against the sorrowful loss of American sovereignty that will surely be our future if we stupidly allow ourself to elect an authoritarian, progressive left regime, headed by the most corrupt person to ever seek the presidency, Hillary Clinton.

But, y'all go ahead, vote Darryl Castle 2016.

Stupid is as stupid does.

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Donald Trump is a progressive authoritarian leftist, as well. But unlike Hillary, he's also ignorant and insane.
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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #196 on: October 19, 2016, 09:00:21 pm »
Enough... ArneFufkin has always been a good and thoughtful member at TBR and I hate to see him leave...please reconsider Arne.

He came on this thread to attack both the posters here AND to attack this forum.

I have always thought the world of Arne........... until he did this.

I would never block him.  All it would take is an apology for his smearing me, and for smearing this good forum.

If he's the Arne I thought he was, he'll do that.....
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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #197 on: October 19, 2016, 09:00:24 pm »
Damn, this is my old world at TOS.

Congratulations Norm:  You're a loudmouthed Eunuch.  You're a punk.

Okay, I'm out of here.  I don't like you people.  Good luck with the Hillary Presidency.

@ArneFufkin, I can't believe you would let another (granted very opinionated) poster drive you off!

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« Reply #198 on: October 19, 2016, 09:00:37 pm »
Your litter box full again? Must be. your flinging your crap all over... again.

Enough already...
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Re: WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump
« Reply #199 on: October 19, 2016, 09:02:18 pm »
@Smokin Joe

I do not know why you persist in the fantasy that the country can be fixed in a post Hillary era. It can't. "It is either Trump or a thousand years of darkness."

The border is on the ballet this election.
The Supreme Court is on the ballet this election.
The amnesty is on the ballet this election.
A war with Russia is on the ballet this election.
American Jobs are on the ballet this election.

Amnesty for tens of millions of illegals, millions of Islamic refugees, courts including the Supreme Court packed with Marxists, open borders, more job killing, sovereignty killing trade deals.  No the USA can not survive that as a constitutional republic. Elect Hillary and you kill the country.

Elect Hillary and give the Marxist Democrats a super majority forever. No conservative republican will ever be elected nationally and damn few will be elected state wide. Elect Hillary and Texas will turn blue by 2024.
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