WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump

[Norm Lenhart]

Eh......  maybe you're right.

But the transformation has been breath taking.

From apparent decency to overt lying and battering.

Just because I can't support a corrupt, amoral leftist insider like Trump.

It's a hard thing to accept. I have had people I thought I knew turn as well. But the evidence is what it is. Trump isn't a guy with psychic powers or a mind control machine. People just want what he is. He makes it OK for them to be who they really are. So their inhibitions drop and the real 'them' emerges.

[Rivergirl]

Nothing new has been revealed about her heinous or the dem party. She is a known entity. 
When it comes to her opponent, we are in the dark as to whether or not he will ever be able to control himself. Whether he will ever have enough self discipline to actually learn about the function of our government under our constitution or whether he will spend all his time trashing and bashing everyone with whom he disagrees.
I did not vote for either candidate but as Glenn Beck said........if she is elected.........SO BE IT

[ArneFufkin]

pod people

Like the old saying goes: When you dance with the devil, you don't change the devil, he changes you.

Once you sell  your soul for the Orange Cheeto Lord, you never get it back.

If you are incapable of understanding the difference between Donald Trump's message and Hillary Clinton's message you really need to revisit what you do around these message boards.

I don't like you and that admittedly comes over from TOS.

[XenaLee]

This is why I say, aside from their increasing threats and violent outbursts, that they are a danger to everyone around them and why it's imperative we rid them from our lives/families.

Good luck with ridding them from your life.  They're going to be sitting out there festering and sulking from now on after Trump loses (as planned) to Hillary.  As for eliminating their presence from our families, I already have that handled.   

[Norm Lenhart]

If you are incapable of understanding the difference between Donald Trump's message and Hillary Clinton's message you really need to revisit what you do around these message boards.

I don't like you and that admittedly comes over from TOS.

Trump says whatever pops into his head. His message is a lie.

[Suppressed]

I don't know who originally made the comparison but he should be ashamed.

@CatherineofAragon @Emjay

CatherineofAragon wrote "Trump admitted that he had a habit of walking up to women and just kissing them, without asking" -- which is what happened in the famous kiss.  I contend that there are instances when kissing without asking is okay, not assault.

When a woman is willing for it to occur, then it's not assault.  Of course, the "nurse" (who was actually a dental assistant who died last month), didn't actually have a chance to "let him" do it.  She related it thus: “...then I was grabbed.  That man was very strong. I wasn’t kissing him. He was kissing me.”

Imagine if Trump had said those words!  I can see them being taken totally overboard by people saying it was a non-consensual assault.

[ArneFufkin]

True enough.  I have said it from the beginning.... NO good decision is ever made in anger.

I just didn't realize how much the angry support for Trump was going to suck the decency out of people.

It's amazing that we used to make fun of the Trump "cult".
 
This site right now?  It's a "NeverTrump" cult.

Enjoy Hillary!  You're working toward her power.

[jpsb]

I HATE Hillary Clinton.  That's why I won't vote for her clone, Donald Trump.

And you're not permitted to tell that vicious lie on this forum.  You KNOW better.

Who took away the real Arne and replaced him with a Trump pod person?? 

Bull you are Supporting Hillary. Every vote not for Trump is a vote for Hillary.

[Norm Lenhart]

Good luck with ridding them from your life.  They're going to be sitting out there festering and sulking from now on after Trump loses (as planned) to Hillary.  As for eliminating their presence from our families, I already have that handled.   

Actually it's not a problem. I got rid of the idiots in my life during the Romney era. My life improved dramatically. That includes nutcase family members. Haven't talked to them since.

[Suppressed]

Wealth and stardom are power.  Power makes evil men think they can do whatever they want.  Donald Trump expressed that view of himself clearly.

He IS a predator.  Even if the women were groupies, he molested them.

I believe he's a predator.

But I don't believe he admitted it.

[Norm Lenhart]

Bull you are Supporting Hillary. Every vote not for Trump is a vote for Hillary.

Liar.

[musiclady]

I love ya but ... are you out of your mind?

Have you seen the recent scandals regarding the DNC/Media/Organized Crime program to take our votes and destroy our Republic???

What the F??

Donald Trump is a boorish, narcissistic BUFFOON.  I've said that from the start. 

How, in any fantasy of his going-forward treachery or danger, could he EVER be more dangerous as a candidate than we know HILLARY CLINTON IS????!!!

Grow rup, Gosh dammit. 

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?   This site is no different than Daily Kos.  F it/

I'm going to ignore your angry outburst and just address the last comment.

It is an outright lie, and you KNOW it.

Grow up.

[musiclady]

I believe he's a predator.

But I don't believe he admitted it.

I do.

I read his words.

He said exactly what he was doing.

[XenaLee]

Actually it's not a problem. I got rid of the idiots in my life during the Romney era. My life improved dramatically. That includes nutcase family members. Haven't talked to them since.

Well.....I only have one liberal in my family.  I have now effectively managed to not have to see him ever again.  Whatever works.

[musiclady]

It's amazing that we used to make fun of the Trump "cult".
 
This site right now?  It's a "NeverTrump" cult.

Enjoy Hillary!  You're working toward her power.

And you're telling outright lies........ repeatedly.

SHAME on you, Arne.

The old Arne was better than this filth you're spewing.

SHAME on you.

[Norm Lenhart]

Well.....I only have one liberal in my family.  I have now effectively managed to not have to see him ever again.  Whatever works.

They made the choice to be idiots. So be it. I have no desire to deal with psychotics, blood relative or not. Sucks but it is what it is.

[Suppressed]

You did it. You said women throw themselves at him. He admitted he did it uninvited.

No, I never said that women threw themselves at him.  I said that some women do throw themselves at stars.  And he said that women let him do things because of his star power.

There's nothing there that says he admitted sexual assault.  Could it have been sexual assault?  Yes.  Could it also have been very willing women?  Yes.  We can't tell from his words.  We have to go by his other behavior and words.

Melania "lets him" do things that I can only guess might disgust her, yet I wouldn't say she's being assaulted if she lets him.  Women are adults with free agency.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Bull you are Supporting Hillary. Every vote not for Trump is a vote for Hillary.

Simple-minded nonsense.

A vote against Trump is technically half a vote against Hillary and half a vote against Trump. Let’s say that you’re the deciding vote in the presidential election. That’s right – congratulations! Sixty million Americans have voted for Trump, and sixty million have voted for Hillary. You instead cast your vote for Deez Nuts. You did not win the election for Hillary, nor did you lose it for Trump. Your vote didn’t count, essentially. In order for your vote to be a vote for Hillary, you must actually vote for Hillary. This is called elementary logic, for those keeping score at home.

Second, the ideological. Failing to vote for Trump is not a vote for Hillary. It is not even a statement that Hillary would be a better president than Trump. I believe that Trump would likely be a better president than Hillary, because it’s hard to imagine a worse president (other than President Obama). I also believe that Trump would destroy the conservative movement. And I prioritize the survival of conservatism more than beating Hillary Clinton. My top priority isn’t this election, but something more: the future of conservatism in America.

Like the writer, I fear the destruction of the GOP at large and conservative movement in general that I fully believe will be the legacy of a Trump victory, more than what eight years of Hillary can do to them and to the country.

[Suppressed]

Bull you are Supporting Hillary. Every vote not for Trump is a vote for Hillary.

Math ain't yer strong suit.

[XenaLee]

They made the choice to be idiots. So be it. I have no desire to deal with psychotics, blood relative or not. Sucks but it is what it is.

It does suck.  Because being around them (usually on holidays) means that you have to bite your tongue and avoid certain topics (like global warming and the POS Obama).  I have never been one to avoid uncomfortable situations.  I face them and deal with them.  So not talking about something for the sake of 'peace' in the family is something I just don't feel is right.  It's unnatural for me.

So now I don't have to worry about it.  Problem solved.

[XenaLee]

Math ain't yer strong suit.

Nor is logic and reason.  And many of them, I've noticed, also have a problem with honesty.

[geronl]

Nothing new has been revealed about her heinous or the dem party. She is a known entity. 
When it comes to her opponent, we are in the dark as to whether or not he will ever be able to control himself. Whether he will ever have enough self discipline to actually learn about the function of our government under our constitution or whether he will spend all his time trashing and bashing everyone with whom he disagrees.

Trump is no mystery, he won't change

[Norm Lenhart]

It does suck.  Because being around them (usually on holidays) means that you have to bite your tongue and avoid certain topics (like global warming and the POS Obama).  I have never been one to avoid uncomfortable situations.  I face them and deal with them.  So not talking about something for the sake of 'peace' in the family is something I just don't feel is right.  It's unnatural for me.

So now I don't have to worry about it.  Problem solved.

Exactly. But look on the bright side. in a couple weeks the shrill screeching will remind us both why we went this route ;)

Of course The Trumplestiltzkins DO seem intent on getting a head start on the shrill screaming...

[musiclady]

No, I never said that women threw themselves at him.  I said that some women do throw themselves at stars.  And he said that women let him do things because of his star power.

There's nothing there that says he admitted sexual assault.  Could it have been sexual assault?  Yes.  Could it also have been very willing women?  Yes.  We can't tell from his words.  We have to go by his other behavior and words.

Melania "lets him" do things that I can only guess might disgust her, yet I wouldn't say she's being assaulted if she lets him.  Women are adults with free agency.

Unless they are the victims of a predator.

[geronl]

Bull you are Supporting Hillary. Every vote not for Trump is a vote for Hillary.

Not that tired old broken-down canard again, let the logical fallacy rest in peace where it is buried.