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Re: The Clinton Record
« Reply #75 on: October 17, 2016, 02:04:15 am »
Short fuse? Old ('sweaty') dynamite? Black Powder?

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What were they prospecting?

No. They were running an adit. Interestingly enough, my great grandpa said there was an established shaft there when he made the claim. And he was there fairly early. He said it was old and speculated maybe the Spanish? But I don't know if they got up that far. The location is close to where the California Trail branched from the Oregon Trail. So who knows?
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« Reply #76 on: October 17, 2016, 02:08:52 am »
Trying to generate some hatred here. Hey! Maybe if I smack myself in the balls! I 'hate' it when I get smacked in the balls.
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« Reply #77 on: October 17, 2016, 02:13:38 am »
Well, in my case, Petroleum Geologist is appropriate, but we all have rocks in our head, at least conceptually.
Petroleum jelly can be helpful, but that's between you and your doctor, or whoever...
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« Reply #78 on: October 17, 2016, 02:13:47 am »
No Beer wrote:
"By that "logic", choosing to vote for one, while your right, is also an admission that you are okay with President Donald Trump."

I'm "ok" with a "President Donald Trump".

Whatever consequences we will endure under his administration, I believe they will be far, far preferable to the consequences the country will suffer under another president clinton.

I'm a realist and a pragmatist.
I no longer care all that much about "principles".
I don't particularly care about morals, ethics, or any of that.

I want the Republicans to WIN, and I want the democrats to LOSE.

If you don't like that, say whatever insults you wish to hurl at me.
I no longer care.
I'll just repeat what I said above:

I want the Republicans to WIN, and I want the democrats to LOSE.

That is all...

No problem with anything you wrote...
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« Reply #79 on: October 17, 2016, 02:16:11 am »
You will never wake these NeverTrumpers up, they are more then willing to sell out their country, the US Constitution, their children and grand children to Hillary. Their hatred of Trump supersedes all.

They like to delude themselves into thinking the ship of state can be righted in 2020. I guess they believe in unicorns too. Amnesty, open borders, Islamic migration, Marxist judges all of this will happen in Hillary first term giving the Ds a super majority for generations. But as you point out the NeverTumpers are all fine with that. I hope they enjoy Madame President since they are doing their best to make it happen.

Listen...the few here on TBR are not deciding this election...the rest of the country is so start knocking on some doors for Trump!
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« Reply #80 on: October 17, 2016, 02:17:31 am »
You will never wake these NeverTrumpers up, they are more then willing to sell out their country, the US Constitution, their children and grand children to Hillary. Their hatred of Trump supersedes all.

They like to delude themselves into thinking the ship of state can be righted in 2020. I guess they believe in unicorns too. Amnesty, open borders, Islamic migration, Marxist judges all of this will happen in Hillary first term giving the Ds a super majority for generations. But as you point out the NeverTumpers are all fine with that. I hope they enjoy Madame President since they are doing their best to make it happen.

Like most Trump supporters you sound really angry that I won't throw away my convictions and support the crappy candidate you selected.  Like Trump you are projecting your own failings on to others.  This is going to be a rough 3 weeks for you.  Prayers sent.

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« Reply #81 on: October 17, 2016, 02:22:35 am »
I think the geologic record, when they are mudlogging this era in the future, is going to show a big layer of crap followed by a big layer of ash...
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« Reply #82 on: October 17, 2016, 02:23:37 am »
I'm a realist and a pragmatist.
I no longer care all that much about "principles".
I don't particularly care about morals, ethics, or any of that.

I want the Republicans to WIN, and I want the democrats to LOSE.

If you don't like that, say whatever insults you wish to hurl at me.
I no longer care.
I'll just repeat what I said above:

I want the Republicans to WIN, and I want the democrats to LOSE.

That is all...

You have expressed your opinion straightforward and without any condemnation of other opinions.  Has anyone been insulting you for your posts?  If so...shame on them.

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« Reply #83 on: October 17, 2016, 02:25:19 am »
Oh Cool! Do you have any idea how long it has been since I made the Honor Roll?

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« Reply #84 on: October 17, 2016, 02:25:26 am »
You have expressed your opinion straightforward and without any condemnation of other opinions.  Has anyone been insulting you for your posts?  If so...shame on them.

They better not..Fisherman has always been polite and never attacking.
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« Reply #85 on: October 17, 2016, 02:44:56 am »
@Smokin Joe

I misread what you asked. It 'is' a gold mine. I don't think they ever pulled enough to do anything but make them dig deeper.

I gotta go. Time to swallow them pills. I found a really nice 1 1/4" pyrite cube in the tailings one time.

Btw, my major in college was hard rock mining. I love rocks.
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« Reply #86 on: October 17, 2016, 03:10:30 am »
I'm proud to be your friend and I do not care who pings me using your list.  No problem for me.   :shrug:  I consider my sources. You, I pay attention to.

Totally glad to be included but classless of her to make a list like that.  It's kinda like an enemies list.
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« Reply #87 on: October 17, 2016, 03:27:04 am »
Totally glad to be included but classless of her to make a list like that.  It's kinda like an enemies list.
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Emjay, it was "my" list of "friends" that RIV copied and used.  I agree it was classless of her to use a list of my friends to ping to her thread. 

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« Reply #88 on: October 17, 2016, 04:04:34 am »
No Beer wrote:
"By that "logic", choosing to vote for one, while your right, is also an admission that you are okay with President Donald Trump."

I'm "ok" with a "President Donald Trump".

Whatever consequences we will endure under his administration, I believe they will be far, far preferable to the consequences the country will suffer under another president clinton.

I'm a realist and a pragmatist.
I no longer care all that much about "principles".
I don't particularly care about morals, ethics, or any of that.

I want the Republicans to WIN, and I want the democrats to LOSE.

If you don't like that, say whatever insults you wish to hurl at me.
I no longer care.
I'll just repeat what I said above:

I want the Republicans to WIN, and I want the democrats to LOSE.

That is all...

Why would I insult you?  It's your vote to use as you please.

My point was simply to point out the stupidity of the "if you don't support DT you support HRC" meme by addressing the fact that it is equally (in)valid to say the reverse.
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« Reply #89 on: October 17, 2016, 04:14:46 am »
I want the Republicans to WIN, and I want the democrats to LOSE.

That is all...

I want Conservatives to win, and liberals to lose.  :shrug:

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« Reply #90 on: October 17, 2016, 05:05:56 am »
@Smokin Joe

Have you read the book Tensleep, by Sarah Andrews?  Murder mystery where the narrator is a mud logger drilling the Tensleep outside Meeteetse, Wyoming.
No, I haven't. I'll have to check her books out. I found her website, and it is interesting enough to get me to look into her writings. http://www.sarahandrews.net/
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« Reply #91 on: October 17, 2016, 05:16:47 am »
@Smokin Joe

I misread what you asked. It 'is' a gold mine. I don't think they ever pulled enough to do anything but make them dig deeper.

I gotta go. Time to swallow them pills. I found a really nice 1 1/4" pyrite cube in the tailings one time.

Btw, my major in college was hard rock mining. I love rocks.
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« Reply #92 on: October 17, 2016, 05:19:29 am »
You are correct.    Don't lose heart.  Even if we have to start a new party, there is always a chance things will turn around.  Do not budge one inch from your principles. 

I've been thinking a lot about something.  I think there are many divisions currently in the GOP that did not used to be there.  The Trump folks are rabidly devoted to their immigration position.  The pro-amnesty crowd is actually just as rabid but less vocal.  Very few people are in between.  Oh there are those who try to dress up their plan as one thing, but to me they are just dishonest.  Me?...the truth is I have always been in the middle.  Sure our laws should not be flouted.  Absolutely.  Is it the living end to me?  Not really.  I would so sell out on that issue in order to win other issues far more important to me.   I just know that at this moment in history, the Republicans will not win with a pro-amnesty candidate.  Neither is there any patience left for a swindler who tries to say one thing only to do another.  Trump is a hideous candidate and all of that.  But even more than the weakness of the GOP leadership, the immigration issue is what gave us Trump.  Sadly, I don't think Trump ever really intended to follow through on his early promises.  He is already selling them out left and right.  But for the record, his bombastic presentation on that issue early on is the main reason we got stuck with him.

For me, I wish we would just go ahead and give them amnesty after we truly improve the system and chalk it all up to experience.  It can't continue, but we have done it before.  One more time won't be the disaster some claim it will be.  They're already here. 

Anyway, I hope that this issue shifts significantly by 2020 so that we can care about other things.

Do you think that is an oversimplification?  I do not mean it is the only thing.  I mean that it is the main thing.  The rest of the anger is real, but has been trumped up to bolster the main issue.  IMO.

Trump is a big fat liar on immigration, imo.  The backstabbing will begin the minute he gets the power he craves.  I do think Trump is passionate about the tariff and trade war issue.  That will be even worse than he is selling.  I think he will cause an economic disaster.  He does not know how to deal honorably and he will not be facing grandmas trying to save their houses or construction workers willing to be short changed because they can't afford the lawsuits.  Out in the international world, Trump can stir up some real trouble.
Excellent post.  I couldn't agree more and hope that someday soon the GOP can put the immigration issue behind us instead of letting the rats bludgeon us as racists.  The rats will never address the issue because it helps them win elections.

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« Reply #93 on: October 17, 2016, 01:06:18 pm »
You are correct.    Don't lose heart.  Even if we have to start a new party, there is always a chance things will turn around.  Do not budge one inch from your principles. 

I've been thinking a lot about something.  I think there are many divisions currently in the GOP that did not used to be there.  The Trump folks are rabidly devoted to their immigration position.  The pro-amnesty crowd is actually just as rabid but less vocal.  Very few people are in between.  Oh there are those who try to dress up their plan as one thing, but to me they are just dishonest.  Me?...the truth is I have always been in the middle.  Sure our laws should not be flouted.  Absolutely.  Is it the living end to me?  Not really.  I would so sell out on that issue in order to win other issues far more important to me.   I just know that at this moment in history, the Republicans will not win with a pro-amnesty candidate.  Neither is there any patience left for a swindler who tries to say one thing only to do another.  Trump is a hideous candidate and all of that.  But even more than the weakness of the GOP leadership, the immigration issue is what gave us Trump.  Sadly, I don't think Trump ever really intended to follow through on his early promises.  He is already selling them out left and right.  But for the record, his bombastic presentation on that issue early on is the main reason we got stuck with him.

For me, I wish we would just go ahead and give them amnesty after we truly improve the system and chalk it all up to experience.  It can't continue, but we have done it before.  One more time won't be the disaster some claim it will be.  They're already here. 

Anyway, I hope that this issue shifts significantly by 2020 so that we can care about other things.

Do you think that is an oversimplification?  I do not mean it is the only thing.  I mean that it is the main thing.  The rest of the anger is real, but has been trumped up to bolster the main issue.  IMO.

Trump is a big fat liar on immigration, imo.  The backstabbing will begin the minute he gets the power he craves.  I do think Trump is passionate about the tariff and trade war issue.  That will be even worse than he is selling.  I think he will cause an economic disaster.  He does not know how to deal honorably and he will not be facing grandmas trying to save their houses or construction workers willing to be short changed because they can't afford the lawsuits.  Out in the international world, Trump can stir up some real trouble.

There's a lot I can agree with there.  I don't agree with amnesty - that will change America for good.  Change is not necessarily a bad thing, but that change would push us towards third world style socialism and rapidly.  And, would further empower and enrich the elite political/economic group.   

And, secondly, the divisions have always been here but the situation has not been this dire, the choices so stark and there has always been the promise of "maybe next time we can get someone more conservative" to keep us in line and continue to support the party. 
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« Reply #94 on: October 17, 2016, 01:26:55 pm »
There's a lot I can agree with there.  I don't agree with amnesty - that will change America for good.  Change is not necessarily a bad thing, but that change would push us towards third world style socialism and rapidly.  And, would further empower and enrich the elite political/economic group.   

And, secondly, the divisions have always been here but the situation has not been this dire, the choices so stark and there has always been the promise of "maybe next time we can get someone more conservative" to keep us in line and continue to support the party.

"How to Serve Conservatives" is a cookbook.

Until we admit that Ronald Reagan was the outlier, and what we have seen since is the 'norm', we won't have a handle on what the entrenched power structure of the GOP really stands for.
Sure, they waggle the promise of conservative enactments at us. That's the carrot. The stick is the invective of "If you don't support us, you're a Liberal, just look what you'll get."

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It has been such an ongoing situation that I'm not sure where the shame belongs, or that it would have any sting, but one thing is obvious. This isn't getting the job done.

The Republic is getting lost in an avalanche of socialist programs, which likely line the very pockets which are supposed to be voting against them. We have been subjected to an endless string of fundamentally unsuitable candidates, and told to hold our nose, this once too often, and vote for the latest...and the Party has carefully avoided backing anyone who might be another Reagan.

They learned their lesson, so why haven't we learned ours?
 
Is it that harping fear of the uberLiberal we will get stuck with as an alternative, who will just try to accomplish more of the same things faster than the GOP liberal will?.
Better to bite the bullet and clean house while there still is a house.

I wonder how much the personal fortunes of those in Congress grow while there is a Democrat in office versus a Republican, too. Does all that Kabuki 'conflict' cause volatility in equity markets those who can take advantage of insider trading (Yes, the Congress is immune to those laws) cash in on? Considering they can set up the drama over cocktails and profit by next Friday, that could be one heck of a racket.
 
It doesn't so much matter which end we start on, but it is time to drain the swamp. I don't see that happening with the current party structure in D.C.
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« Reply #95 on: October 17, 2016, 01:40:55 pm »
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« Reply #96 on: October 17, 2016, 02:13:25 pm »
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« Reply #97 on: October 17, 2016, 03:25:32 pm »
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« Reply #98 on: October 17, 2016, 04:59:26 pm »
On the abortion issue, I don't know if anyone has noticed but...

1.  We've lost in pretty much every way.  There are a few tiny ways we have won but even then, that's until the left manages just the right lawsuit before just the right court.  The babies are not considered human beings. 

2.  We are being played by the GOP politicians.  I know one newcomer state politician who is a moderate but claims to be pro-life.  His wife is passionately pro choice.  He has to claim the pro-life positions to get elected in his district.  And why not?  It is all words and symbolism.  We've lost.  Oh sure, I will not vote for a pro-choice candidate either.  But as long as the judges rule us, it makes little difference but for the funding.  That's something.  But the babies still get slaughtered and sometimes sold.  In my state the fights have been over such trivia as pro-life license plates.  Honey, when that's the fight, YOU'VE LOST!

So the abortion issue has taught the candidates how to be con men.  It's their template.

As to your second point, allow me to offer the Texas Congressional delegation as Exhibit A. With a few exceptions, conservative Texans have been played by them. Very disappointing...I will no longer vote for Kenny Marchant.
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« Reply #99 on: October 17, 2016, 08:55:25 pm »
No, I haven't. I'll have to check her books out. I found her website, and it is interesting enough to get me to look into her writings. http://www.sarahandrews.net/

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