Laura Ingraham: We've been waiting for this moment

[DiogenesLamp]

I personally believe that for all the teeth-gnashing and tearing of hair in this election, the vast majority of conservatives will still end up following the GOP primary in 2020, and voting in that primary for the most conservative candidate they believe can win.  There will be some very vocal exceptions to that, but I think that most of us are going to end up on the same side by default after 6 months of Hillary.

I still *HATE*  Ross Perot voters.   I am aware that George HW Bush did the majority of damage to himself,   but the people so stupid as to vote for H Ross Perot,  handed the election to Clinton.   


Clinton was an utter disaster.   People still do not realize what a horrible President he was.   I couldn't stand George HW Bush,   but I knew what sort of utter scum Bill Clinton would be,  and he did not disappoint.   


And Hillary is Worse.    She is the true ideologue in that relationship.   I think Bill Clinton would have happily pretended to be a conservative if he thought that would have worked.   (This is what he actually did do as Governor of Arkansas. ) 

[skeeter]

It's very telling, isn't it.   That the Trump supporters 'claim' that they mostly support Trump in order to defeat Hillary.  It's their main reason/excuse.   But, considering the latest revelations of Trump's past bad behavior....his unfavorable ratings have skyrocketed, making his election even less possible or probable.   Yet... even when the chance of defeating Hillary is presented by keeping Pence and dropping Trump from the ticket....they balk and squeal.  I thought the whole point with them was to keep Hillary OUT of the WH.  Maybe it wasn't....after all. 

I don't know how much more clear we could've made it during the primaries - out of the dozen or so candidates Trump was probably WORST equipped to keep Hillary out of the White House. There're none so blind...

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The media generally steers that middle 20% pretty hard,  and the hope was that Trump could overcome this,  but not only has he been having to fight the media,  he's also been having to fight the backstabbers in the party.  This is something that the Democrats seldom have to deal with.   As a matter of fact,  the term "yellow dog Democrat"  comes from the sentiment that they will vote Democrat even if their candidate is a "dirty yellow dog."   

This is one reason among many why they win more often than we.    They simply do not allow scandals to derail their candidates.

I agree with all of that.  I recall very specifically how Geraldo Rivera was so eagerly defending Bill Clinton when the first of the bimbo eruptions happened, and he was arguing vociferously that it shouldn't matter, it was his private sex life, etc..  Then someone on whatever show asked him what would be happening if Clinton were a Republican.  He looked startled for a second as he considered it, then said  "he'd have been forced out of the race already and long gone."  The media/cultural bias is incredibly strong.  I think it's even worse now with social media and it's impact on the young, who are the first to hop on new trends, etc..

 And I'm with you on Trump -- By March, what Trump said in 2005 will be completely irrelevant to what is happening in the country.  Give me a choice between a Supreme Court Justice and Trump admitting to what 80% of these other pols likely say anyway, and it should be a no brainer.

But what has happened is that those who already opposed Trump have latched onto this as yet another reason to pile on.  Personally, I'd say that anyone who made up their mind based on this stupid story should be ashamed of themselves.  If the Supreme Court, immigration, etc., were important enough reasons before to back this flawed candidate, that shouldn't have changed.

[XenaLee]

I don't know how much more clear we could've made it during the primaries - out of the dozen or so candidates Trump was probably WORST equipped to keep Hillary out of the White House. There're none so blind...

Is it really a case of being blind....

or is it a hidden agenda?

[jpsb]

You're a little late at the gate there, DL.   

Sanity would have been when the GOP did NOT allow the Democrats to pick and choose Donald J. Trump as the GOP nominee.  It's all downhill from here...just as it was in 2008 when they picked McCain, and just as it was in 2012 when they picked Romney.  Sanity would have been picking an actual conservative that more closely represents the values of MOST non-leftist Americans.

On the issues important to republican voters, on the issues as President has some control over, Donald Trump was the most conservative candidate running, which is why he won. You NeverTrumpers are going to be very unpopular to all but Hillary voters if Trump loses. Just go look on Paul Ryans Facebook page to see what is coming your way.

@DiogenesLamp @XenaLee

[libertybele]

You're a little late at the gate there, DL.   

Sanity would have been when the GOP did NOT allow the Democrats to pick and choose Donald J. Trump as the GOP nominee.  It's all downhill from here...just as it was in 2008 when they picked McCain, and just as it was in 2012 when they picked Romney.  Sanity would have been picking an actual conservative that more closely represents the values of MOST non-leftist Americans.

The only difference this election year is....since 2014, when we naïve Republican-supporters put them in control of both houses of Congress.....the GOP has proceeded to crap ALL OVER those of us that put them in the majority control....to the point of pushing out any true or real conservatives from the party.

So....no sanity to be found this year.  And I'm about to give up hope for that "maybe in another four years" bullchit.  That is, after all, the very definition of insanity....to keep doing the same thing (voting for the GOP) and hoping for or expecting a different result.

This year is a first for me.  I'm voting 3rd Party.  And I won't be alone re: that.
 

I can be that too.....but you will NEVER catch me arguing 'for' the rabid leftists and/or for Hillary Clinton.  I may argue on various minutia re: conservative stances, however.   And my perception is that anyone supporting Trump is either knowingly (Trumpocrats that crossed over to vote for Trump) or unknowingly (LIV voters) supporting the election of Hillary Clinton.   Which are you?

Eh....with all due respect.....considering some of your posts here (like the one where you basically called all anti-Trump folks children or juvenile).... your ability is sadly lacking.  JS...

I agree for the most part in what you said ... except, the difference this election IS about the SUPREME COURT and our Bill of Rights is in jeopardy. The difference this election IS Clinton is running and we DO know what she is fully capable of and what she is capable of is what we are watching unfold before our very eyes.

It's not that she just wants mass immigration from Muslim territories and no wall across our southern borders, she wants open borders for the entire western hemisphere!!

If she tilts the Supreme court to the left (and we know she will) and we lose the Senate (which is likely) and the House, what exactly is there to stop her?  We have a majority in both Houses now and Hussein rules on.

We cannot afford to allow Hillary to become president period.  Our country will not survive.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/8/hillary-clinton-dreams-open-borders-leaked-speech-/

[Maj. Bill Martin]

This is key.

Even if WikiLeaks revealed something horribly damaging to Clinton at this point in the race, the damage done to her would be how willing the press would be to make it news

And that is one of the major reasons I'm casting a vote to keep her out of office.  At this point, the media and entertainment elites have so stacked the deck in terms of voter influence that it is getting to the point where we'll have no chance at all moving forward.  And with things like the Fairness Doctrine, regulation of political speech on the internet, and reversal of Citizens United all on the table if Hillary wins, voting for Trump is really the only tool I see available to have even the slimmest hope of stopping that.

[Wingnut]

I still *HATE*  Ross Perot voters.   I am aware that George HW Bush did the majority of damage to himself,   but the people so stupid as to vote for H Ross Perot,  handed the election to Clinton.   


Clinton was an utter disaster.   People still do not realize what a horrible President he was.   I couldn't stand George HW Bush,   but I knew what sort of utter scum Bill Clinton would be,  and he did not disappoint.   


And Hillary is Worse.    She is the true ideologue in that relationship.   I think Bill Clinton would have happily pretended to be a conservative if he thought that would have worked.   (This is what he actually did do as Governor of Arkansas. )

You have only yourself and your tribe of orange tic-tac trumpkins to blame for the mess we are in. 

So don't go all boo hoo Third party/Ross P. crap on us.   

[ABX]

Here's the logic.  If they (Trump supporters here) really wanted to keep Hillary out of the White House....they would be willing to drop Trump from the ticket and go with Pence.  I would vote for Pence as president in a heartbeat.  As would many others.  But for "some" reason, the Trump supporters are vehemently against that solution.  You have to ask yourself 'why' that is. (I already know)

To double down on that, Wikileaks has shown something that we have been saying all along, Trump was Hillary's stalking horse. She was his preferred candidate and she was pushing him to run as early as April of last year, long before he announced. His staff even said Hillary's only hope was Trump as the candidate.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,229060.0.html

So knowing this, when it is right there in their face, from Hillary's chief of staff's own keyboard, continuing to support Trump is literally supporting Hillary's agenda, not even in some round about, figurative way.

They now are knowingly in the Hillary camp. No pretzel twisting out of that.

[Norm Lenhart]

On the issues important to republican voters, on the issues as President has some control over, Donald Trump was the most conservative candidate running, which is why he won. You NeverTrumpers are going to be very unpopular to all but Hillary voters if Trump loses. Just go look on Paul Ryans Facebook page to see what is coming your way.

@DiogenesLamp @XenaLee

Conservatives don't care what you liberal voters think. YOU have the history books to look forward to. The ones that will lay the blame squarely on your shoulders. Where it so rightly belongs.

[Suppressed]

And Hillary is Worse.    She is the true ideologue in that relationship.   I think Bill Clinton would have happily pretended to be a conservative if he thought that would have worked.   (This is what he actually did do as Governor of Arkansas. )

Agreed. 

That's why I have to fight a tendency toward strong antipathy for Trump supporters, who have led us to elevating Hillary to POTUS.

[XenaLee]

I have said all along that they want liberalism. thay don't care which liberal gets in. To do that, they have gone far out of the bounds of any prior campaign to destroy not only conservatives running but places where conservatives gather, places that broadcast/print conservative philosophy and ideas and conservative supporters of those conservative candidates.

That is a hallmark of Democrat/liberal politics as shown by Emanuel, Axlerod, Podesta, Blumenthall, Schmitt, Wallace, Stone...and a certain determined group of posters here with an agenda that like to also hang out at FR.

Gee. What are the odds I wonder?

Sure, cause...you know....liberalism is so much easier (and more fun) than going with conservatism.   

With liberalism you get to party like it's 1999 (forever) on other people's dime, and with no real expectations of any criticism (everybody's doin it!).  With conservatism you have to actually behave yourself like a civilized, decent adult (borrrrring) and you have to actually be mindful of what you spend and (gasp!) be frugal (a dirty word to the left) with your money and with the finances of others.  Worrying about how much of the tax-payers dime you're spending or wasting is so passé, after all.  Just ask the Obamas and the Clintons.

Being a liberal is the easy path in life.  And leftists always choose the easy way.....vs. the right way.

[LMAO]

. Just go look on Paul Ryans Facebook page to see what is coming your way.

What? Enlighten us

[ABX]

What? Enlighten us

Vile comments, physical threats, disgusting comments about his family, calls of treason with references to hanging and guillotines. Welcome to Trumpville.

[LMAO]

Vile comments, physical threats, disgusting comments about his family, calls of treason with references to hanging and guillotines. Welcome to Trumpville.

Is that what they are doing? I'll confess to not actually seeing his FB page

[montanajoe]

On the issues important to republican voters, on the issues as President has some control over, Donald Trump was the most conservative candidate running, which is why he won. You NeverTrumpers are going to be very unpopular to all but Hillary voters if Trump loses. Just go look on Paul Ryans Facebook page to see what is coming your way.

@DiogenesLamp @XenaLee

And....what's your point?

Do you honestly think those who vote their conscious are doing so to win a popularity contest?

 

[kevindavis007]

You have only yourself and your tribe of orange tic-tac trumpkins to blame for the mess we are in. 

So don't go all boo hoo Third party/Ross P. crap on us.

Every time a Clinton runs for President a crazy billionaire runs for President as well...

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I'm actually in agreement with the Major on this point.  I no longer think there is this 'silent' Conservative Christian majority in the country waiting for a Conservative to come riding in to save us.

The state of our debased culture is an indictment the 'Silent Majority's' failure and perhaps an indicator of their own compromised foundations.

Liberty cannot exist in this environment of selfish ignorance, and we are just discovering that truth, despite the warnings from the Founders of that exact thing.

Sad as it is, our only political hope is for a conservative with sufficient personal charisma/communications skills to overcome that bias and lack of support.  In other words, we need to attract voters who will vote for a guy not because he is a good conservative, but because they "just like him/her."

We all should learn a lesson from how quickly public opinion on gay marriage flipped in this country after the Supreme Court decision in Obergefell.  Though it was a purely legal decision, it apparently impacted how a great many uninvolved people saw this as a moral issue.  The relevance of that point is that if we do manage to get the right leader in power, moral suasion and favorable legislation/Supreme Court rulings might offer some hope of pushback on the broader cultural/moral issues.  That's particularly true in terms of the push downward that comes from the DOE, and how it influences schools and universities.

It's a slim hope, I'd admit.

[Norm Lenhart]

What? Enlighten us

He thinks Tumblrina/Reddit style brigading is the path to winning. It's the preferred tactic of the leftist SJW set.

[Norm Lenhart]

And....what's your point?

Do you honestly think those who vote their conscious are doing so to win a popularity contest?

 

Thats part of they they want trump. To feel like one of the flock. An individual, just like all their friends! So they think conservatives think like they do.

[ABX]

Is that what they are doing? I'll confess to not actually seeing his FB page

Oh yea, they are being vile towards him (check FR too).

And old @jpsb has the gall up thread to say in direct terms 'that is what is coming our way' if we continue to oppose Trump and he loses.

Nice threat there JP.  Luckily, I don't give much credence to chairborne rangers.

[DiogenesLamp]

So you're saying that the Dems have no morals or scruples, and we should emulate that? 

I say we should not let nickles hold up dollars.    Here is an example of what I mean from  the mouth of God himself. 




And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue: 10And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. 11And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? 12How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. 13Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other. 14Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.


There are bigger moral issues and there are lesser moral issues,  and one is a fool if one lets the lesser moral issues govern the greater.   

That's insane - especially with the MSM against us.   Our scandals stick because the MSM sees to that.  That may not be fair, but that's reality.  A man caught on tape reveling that his wealth and fame permits him to sexually assault women is not going to survive politically.

Like Bill Clinton?   

You act like someone who is completely unaware of the fact that the media helped spread the "CRUZ IS AN ADULTERER"   story.     Are you freaking kidding me?   If the media doesn't have a scandal,  they will INVENT a scandal.   


Remember "George HW Bush had an affair!"  ?   Remember "McCain had an affair!"?    Remember "McCain doesn't know how many houses he has!" ?   Remember "Romney was a bully in school who cut someones hair against their will!"  ?   


After dozens of iterations,  I would think people on our side would have finally caught on to how this game is played.   

  Trump and Trumpism is dead unless Trump shows he's a bigger man than we'd thought possible  - by stepping down.   

That statement is cretinous.   Surrender is tantamount to massacre.   What is wrong with you?   

[skeeter]

I agree for the most part in what you said ... except, the difference this election IS about the SUPREME COURT and our Bill of Rights is in jeopardy. The difference this election IS Clinton is running and we DO know what she is fully capable of and what she is capable of is what we are watching unfold before our very eyes.

It's not that she just wants mass immigration from Muslim territories and no wall across our southern borders, she wants open borders for the entire western hemisphere!!

If she tilts the Supreme court to the left (and we know she will) and we lose the Senate (which is likely) and the House, what exactly is there to stop her?  We have a majority in both Houses now and Hussein rules on.

We cannot afford to allow Hillary to become president period.  Our country will not survive.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/8/hillary-clinton-dreams-open-borders-leaked-speech-/

I'll second all of that.

In the final analysis the last thing in the world I would want on my conscience is having assisted Hillary Clinton and the progressive left in even the slightest manner.

The latest batch of leaked Wikileaks emails reminds us of what Clinton is. I am forced to take a huckster at his word he will appoint non-ideologues to SCOTUS, reinsert common sense into our immigration policies, and at least stop baring the US's throat to our enemies. I have no choice.

Even if we aren't responsible for getting us to this wretched state of affairs, we are responsible for what we do from this point forward.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

So knowing this, when it is right there in their face, from Hillary's chief of staff's own keyboard, continuing to support Trump is literally supporting Hillary's agenda, not even in some round about, figurative way.

They now are knowingly in the Hillary camp. No pretzel twisting out of that.

Hillary certainly preferred Trump to come out of the GOP primary -- he was the candidate they most preferred to face in the general election because they thought he was the most beatable.  So, they wanted him to win the GOP primary.  But now that he is the nominee, they most assuredly do not want Trump to win the general election because they want Hillary to win the general election.

Equating support for Trump in the primary to support for Trump in the general election is absurd, and actually gives Hillary exactly what she wanted all along -- people not to vote for the GOP nominee.  So, if we're going to cast votes based on what HRC doesn't want, we should vote for Trump in the general election.  That's inarguable.

[jpsb]

What? Enlighten us

What you are incapable of googling Paul Ryan facebook? Besides which I find conservation with you tedious.