“They agreed to support the nominee:” Now, GOP party chair is pressing Republicans to back Donald Trump

[aligncare]

If I may offer my two cents....

I think there are reasonable grounds for disagreement as to whether or not Trump is better than Hillary.  We all have our own opinions on that, but I think it's a reasonable debate to have.  If they are "equal evils", then there is no point in opposing one more than the other.

But that's different from arguments that those who don't vote for Trump bear no responsibility if Hillary wins.  If someone views Trump as the lesser evil, but nevertheless refuses to support him against a greater evil, then those people have some responsibility for the consequences of that decision.  And I suspect that in other contexts, most of us would reject out of hand the argument that standing by and doing nothing in the face of something bad is a morally sound choice.  Hence, the Edmund Burke quote on how/why evil can triumph.

Yes, the Mad-Hatter-Trump-Haters continue to operate, behave, as if we are still in the middle of primaries. But, as I look at the scoreboard, it's the bottom of the ninth. Seventh inning stretch was a long time ago and we, America, need to win this.

[skeeter]

Yes, the Mad-Hatter-Trump-Haters continue to operate, behave, as if we are still in the middle of primaries. But, as I look at the scoreboard, it's the bottom of the ninth. Seventh inning stretch was a long time ago and we, America, need to win this.

Tell it to your candidate.

[Silver Pines]

Who are you trying to "unite", and behind whom/what?  I thought that was the purpose of the primaries.  Now, I'm not saying people are morally compelled to vote for the nominee -- I don't even think other GOP politicians are morally bound to do that.  But the truth is the primary is our chance to select a candidate whom we can (hopefully) unit behind, and this time, that process failed to produce such a candidate.  So there is no other figure behind whom to unit politically.

Which leaves me confused as to what you meant by urging "unity".

@Maj. Bill Martin

It was sarcasm.

[aligncare]

Who are you trying to "unite", and behind whom/what?  I thought that was the purpose of the primaries.  Now, I'm not saying people are morally compelled to vote for the nominee -- I don't even think other GOP politicians are morally bound to do that.  But the truth is the primary is our chance to select a candidate whom we can (hopefully) unit behind, and this time, that process failed to produce such a candidate.  So there is no other figure behind whom to unit politically.

Which leaves me confused as to what you meant by urging "unity".

They want us all to unite behind "not him." 

The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. These people hate, that's their only political rationale, hate. And, here's the kicker, they don't actually, truly know the source of their hatred –since they have sometimes inadvertently admitted they haven't researched Donald Trump's history with an objective eye. In fact they proudly announced that they assiduously avoid reading any information about Donald Trump that might be positive. How's that for astute political research?

[Norm Lenhart]

They want us all to unite behind "not him." 

The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. These people hate, that's their only political rationale, hate. And, here's the kicker, they don't actually, truly know the source of their hatred –since they have sometimes inadvertently admitted they haven't researched Donald Trump's history with an objective eye. In fact they proudly announced that they assiduously avoid reading any information about Donald Trump that might be positive. How's that for astute political research?

You say the strangest things. Perhaps it's short term memory loss. Because I know you've been told that we arent voting for your liberal no matter what you blather about. Maybe your desire to elect a liberal is so overwhelming that you are blinded to being told 'No". Or maybe you just like acting like a spoiled child. Doesn't matter why though.

Because you can't win without us and you said you don't need us. So spare yourself the grief and effort and just accept the consequence of forcing a liberal onto the GOP ticket. You refuse to vote for a conservative so get used to President Clinton. Thats all on you.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

These people hate, that's their only political rationale, hate.

Well, I wouldn't presume to read everyone's minds - different people have different motivations.  But I do think a lot of the NeverTrump people are enormously frustrated -- they saw this as a great opportunity for us to win this election with a good candidate, and feel that we've squandered that chance.  I'm assuming that because I share that feeling myself to a large extent.  I'm just trying to make some chicken salad out of....yeah.  Because the reality is that's the only ingredient in the shopping cart at this point.

I do think one thing that's going on isn't hatred, but rather what is sometimes referred to as "virtue-signaling."  Pointing out publicly, loudly and often, how rotten Donald Trump is serves as a means of signaling to others "see, I'm a good person because I don't support Trump."  Makes you part of the good guys club.  Not saying that's true of everyone, but I think there's at least some of that going on.

[XenaLee]

I am voting for Evan McMullin.  You elected the Donald.  You vote for him.  I can tell you exactly what is happening.  Trump made sure Hillary wins.  Its happening.  He's going down and we all told you it would happen.  You made excuses, and "believe me" nobody can be that stupid.  Not even Trump.  He sabotaged his own campaign. 

Trump gets Hillary elected and he get favors.  Its the Art of the Deal.

Absolutely.  What we've been warning about is coming true right before our eyes....just as we said it would.  Trump is deliberately tanking his own campaign.

Poor Pence.  He actually thought he had a chance to be VP.  Instead, he will go down in history as just another one 'Duped by Donald'. 

[XenaLee]

Sorry, @DiogenesLamp, I'm not much into conspiracy theories.  But I'll note that a gun to my head is "good news" to you.

Time to unite!

It's ironic that Diogenes makes the "Nazi" reference to Hillary (Godwin's Law), yet completely ignores the comments Trump has made that make him sound just as fascist and dangerous to our liberties as any Clinton would be.  And....you know.....Trump is, after all, of German descent, kept Hitler's book on his nightstand (according to the ex wife), and has quoted Mussolini in a retweet ("“It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep.”").....and Trump's populism has been fueled by his penchant for riling up and igniting his loyal followers via the same brand of nationalism...to the point of encouraging violence against any anti-Trump protestors.

Bottom line.....Hillary may well be the devil, but Trump is her main minion.

[Norm Lenhart]

...and igniting his loyal followers

Oh how you tease.

[musiclady]

If I may offer my two cents....

I think there are reasonable grounds for disagreement as to whether or not Trump is better than Hillary.  We all have our own opinions on that, but I think it's a reasonable debate to have.  If they are "equal evils", then there is no point in opposing one more than the other.

But that's different from arguments that those who don't vote for Trump bear no responsibility if Hillary wins.  If someone views Trump as the lesser evil, but nevertheless refuses to support him against a greater evil, then those people have some responsibility for the consequences of that decision.  And I suspect that in other contexts, most of us would reject out of hand the argument that standing by and doing nothing in the face of something bad is a morally sound choice.  Hence, the Edmund Burke quote on how/why evil can triumph.

It's important to clarify that I am not "doing nothing"  on election day. I am voting for a man who shares my values on life and government.  What I am not doing is participating in the evil of voting for either of the two candidates who not only do not share but actually oppose every value I have.

I refuse to vote for evil, therefore I refuse to vote for trump.

It is the people who voted for trump in the primary who are giving us Hillary.

I have no part in it.  The liberal Trumpists do.

[Norm Lenhart]

It's important to clarify that I am not "doing nothing"  on election day. I am voting for a man who shares my values on life and government.  What I am not doing is participating in the evil of voting for either of the two candidates who not only do not share but actually oppose every value I have.

I refuse to vote for evil, therefore I refuse to vote for trump.

It is the people who voted for trump in the primary who are giving us Hillary.

I have no part in it.  The liberal Trumpists do.

It really has to tear them up that some of us will never let them dictate the narrative. They arent used to having to fight for their 'beliefs'. They hate being told 'no' even more.

[XenaLee]

Oh how you tease.

Umm.....

huh? 

Did I say something wrong?   

[Norm Lenhart]

Umm.....

huh? 

Did I say something wrong?   

Not at all. I just found the line about igniting his followers entertaining. Winter is coming and all. Throw another Trumper on the fire ;)

[Silver Pines]

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They want us all to unite behind "not him." 

Guess I'm going to have to use a rolling banner---*SARCASM*---next time.

The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. These people hate, that's their only political rationale, hate.

You sound exactly like a liberal with that nonsense.  Much of the problem is that it's based on emotionalism.  You can't bear the fact that some won't bend the knee to "Mr. Trump."

And, here's the kicker, they don't actually, truly know the source of their hatred –since they have sometimes inadvertently admitted they haven't researched Donald Trump's history with an objective eye. In fact they proudly announced that they assiduously avoid reading any information about Donald Trump that might be positive. How's that for astute political research?

Really?  I haven't seen anyone say that.

I've said more than once that I always disliked Trump on the basis of being a gasbag braggart, but it took research into the man for me to find him repellent.

So there's another theory blown to hell, I guess.

@aligncare

[XenaLee]

Not at all. I just found the line about igniting his followers entertaining. Winter is coming and all. Throw another Trumper on the fire ;)

Lol!  Oh, ok.....just checkin.  Tis the season, after all.  And....

beware of the Great Pumpkin!

[Norm Lenhart]

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So there's another theory blown to hell, I guess.

Well you know...after he fell flat with the race card thing yesterday, he had to make something else up. Thats what Team Trump does afterall. Hop from one false claim to another and project their failings on others.

[LMAO]

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Guess I'm going to have to use a rolling banner---*SARCASM*---next time.

You sound exactly like a liberal with that nonsense.  Much of the problem is that it's based on emotionalism.  You can't bear the fact that some won't bend the knee to "Mr. Trump."

Really?  I haven't seen anyone say that.

I've said more than once that I always disliked Trump on the basis of being a gasbag braggart, but it took research into the man for me to find him repellent.

So there's another theory blown to hell, I guess.

@aligncare

@CatherineofAragon

It's amazing how much many have adopted the language of the left when it comes to defending Trump. Be it on the minimum wage, healthcare, spending, mandated maternity leave, trade, 1st Amendment,or just everyday debate language more and more they have become indistinguishable from the DNC. I don't think they even realize it in their quest to defend the guy

I don't hate Trump. I just have decided he and his ideas are not the fix for this nation. In fact, should he win, I'm willing to bet that he won't be all that different from BHO on many issues. Both he and Hillary will be BHO's third term.

But the harsh reality is, despite the promise of more spending and programs by Hillary and Trump, math and the market will either make them face reality or other's in the future.

[Norm Lenhart]

Lol!  Oh, ok.....just checkin.  Tis the season, after all.  And....

beware of the Great Pumpkin!

Mark my words. Someone will do a Trump pumpkin, someone will smash it and the alt righters will flood the net screaming about violence and hate crimes.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Absolutely.  What we've been warning about is coming true right before our eyes....just as we said it would.  Trump is deliberately tanking his own campaign.

So why be complicit in that by not voting for him?  Isn't the best way to defeat that plan to vote for Trump, then try to get rid of him so Pence takes over?

[GtHawk]

[Norm Lenhart]

So why be complicit in that by not voting for him?  Isn't the best way to defeat that plan to vote for Trump, then try to get rid of him so Pence takes over?

Because someone that thinks that carrying out that idiocy is a good idea, is as big a problem as Trump is for America.

Do you think about what you post? You want to seriously elect a hard liberal that has already backtracked on all his big issues (which is in an of itself completely crazy) on the HOPE that he's gonna be impeached by the people campaigning for him or that he somehow has an issue that ends his presidency?

Have you thought how remote a possibility that actually is? Or are you simply grasping in desperation for anything that might cause some unthinking voter to hop on board Or because you finially did the math and realized that after he alienated most of the women in the country that Trump is further than ever from getting the votes he needs?

No matter. Us conservatives arent needed (Remember?) and arent voting for him. Which, strangely, is WHY he doesn't have the numbers to win.

Learn from your mistake. Support a conservative next time. Until then, enjoy what you helped bring down on America.

[Hoodat]

Not at all. I just found the line about igniting his followers entertaining. Winter is coming and all. Throw another Trumper on the fire ;)

Sitting in a bunker here behind my wall
Waiting for the worms to come
In perfect isolation here behind my wall
Waiting for the worms to come

Waiting to cut out the deadwood
Waiting to clean up the city
Waiting to follow the worms
Waiting to put on a black shirt
Waiting to weed out the weaklings
Waiting to smash in their windows
And kick in their doors
Waiting for the final solution
To strengthen the strain
Waiting to follow the worms
Waiting to turn on the showers
And fire the ovens
Waiting for the queens and the coons
And the reds and the Jews
Waiting to follow the worms

Would you like to see Britannia
Rule again, my friend?
All you have to do is follow the worms
Would you like to send our colored cousins
Home again, my friend?

All you need to do is follow the worms

-R. Waters-

[Norm Lenhart]

Sitting in a bunker here behind my wall
Waiting for the worms to come
In perfect isolation here behind my wall
Waiting for the worms to come

I'm more a traditionalist


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDqbbf6ewk

[Hoodat]

Do you think about what you post? You want to seriously elect a hard liberal that has already backtracked on all his big issues (which is in an of itself completely crazy) on the HOPE that he's gonna be impeached by the people campaigning for him or that he somehow has an issue that ends his presidency?

Have you thought how remote a possibility that actually is? Or are you simply grasping in desperation for anything that might cause some unthinking voter to hop on board Or because you finially did the math and realized that after he alienated most of the women in the country that Trump is further than ever from getting the votes he needs?

No matter. Us conservatives arent needed (Remember?) and arent voting for him. Which, strangely, is WHY he doesn't have the numbers to win.

Learn from your mistake. Support a conservative next time. Until then, enjoy what you helped bring down on America.

Very well stated.

[Hoodat]

I'm more a traditionalist


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDqbbf6ewk

Sounds like something from the soundtrack of the movie Brazil.