The Trumpers vs. The Never-Trumpers

[INVAR]

Enjoy Hillary as POTUS,

You made Hillary inevitable the moment you and your compatriots made Trump your prince while cheering his absolute personal destruction of every Conservative in the primary.

enjoy the Marxist takeover of the USA that YOU will be enabling.

Stop projecting.  You have chosen a Lifelong Liberal NYC Democrat running as a Republican, who FUNDED the Clintons, who FUNDED, ENDORSED AND CAMPAIGNED FOR Bill DeBlasio (self-avowed Communist) for NYC Mayor, to be your king.

Enjoy seeing our Constitution trashed by all the Marxist judge Hillary will appoint.

Your party hasn't done shiite to stop all the Marxist judges Obama has appointed.  So your threat is moot and meaningless.

Enjoy seeing the country over run by third world migration that Hillary will allow to stay.

You party didn't do shiite to enforce the rule of law upon Obama's illegal usurpation of power, and your party has SIGNED ONTO this third world invasion.  Where were they when Obama has been dumping tens of thousands of Syrian "refugees" into rural America????

Your prince talks all big and bad, but has walked back or 'softened' every single thing he has said he will do from the wall, to illegals.

Enjoy watching a pro-terrorist pro Muslim Brotherhood foreign policy that Hillary will continue.

What has your party done about it?  Zilch, nada, zero.

But by all means stick to your "principles" while this nation, it's people and your children are first enslaved and then murdered. Congratulations on being such a "principled conservative".

I get the same kinds of invective from "Christians" who loathe those of us who hold to 'biblical principles' when it comes to embracing Islam or homosexuality.

You are no different than they are.  You want a king to rule and give you what you think you want and to parcel out vengeance in your name.

Makes Trump, and makes your movement inherently more dangerous to my liberty than by anything Hillary could threaten it with.

[Wingnut]

In light of Hillary's recent health scare I have decided not to early vote but wait till election day.   Vegas Odds has one or both dead by Nov 8th so I would hate to be voting for a Dead Candidate.  Which would be a huge irony as most of the time... it is the dead voting for a candidate.

[skeeter]

So now we have 5 new words to describe us today:

irrelevant
impotent
scapegoats
petulant
arrogant

Add 'indifferent' to that list. These folks have cried 'wolf' just a few too many times.

[GrouchoTex]

Add 'indifferent' to that list. These folks have cried 'wolf' just a few too many times.

Indifferent, that about sums it up.

[XenaLee]

I wonder if the Never Trump die hards realize they have painted themselves into a lose lose position out of unthinking arrogance and petulance?

If Trump wins, they are proven politically irrelevant and impotent.

If Trump loses, they are going to be the scapegoats blamed by everyone on the Right for him losing.


The Hate Trump Always squad has decided to stay in the car and slow roll over the cliff rather than bail out for no other reason then childish petulance and unbridled arrogance.

How, exactly, are the #nevertrumps going to be scapegoated for Trump's loss in November?  How, when they are such a small group (according to the Trump supporters) ...and especially when they are the ones that warned the Trump supporters from Day One that Trump would lose to Hillary?  In what alternate universe of unreality and illogic would that occur?  Oh wait....I remember what universe.  The lalaland universe of leftist idiocy and doublethink....which somehow, suspiciously, aligns perfectly with "Trumpthink".

[Wingnut]

Indifferent, that about sums it up.

Not me.  I'm just plain different. 
And unlike the Trumpers, my moral compass works and it points the oppisite direction of the Orange Blob from New York City

[EC]

Not me.  I'm just plain different. 
And unlike the Trumpers, my moral compass works and it points the oppisite direction of the Orange Blob from New York City

You didn't buy your compass on Amazon, did you? I bought my moral compass there and it broke in a week.

[Wingnut]

You didn't buy your compass on Amazon, did you? I bought my moral compass there and it broke in a week.

Worse...some dude just PM'd me,
Turns out my Compass is not really a Jeep.  I was screwed!

[Wingnut]

You're right, my "party" is fighting against the globalist (Marxist) take over of the USA. You on the other hand are helping enable the Marxists by sulking in the corner because your (bought and paid for bushbot candidate lost).  My candidate promises to end illegal immigration, my candidate promises to build "The Wall", my candidate promises to enforce existing (immigration) laws, my candidate promises to stop and reverse the flow of third world "refugees", my candidate promises to restore US sovereignty by getting us out of Mega Trade deals like NAFTA, WTO and TPP, I could go on.

You on the other hand are supporting Hillary. There are only two choices Hillary or Trump. If you are old enough to vote and you do not support Trump you are a defacto Hillary Clinton supporter.

If Hillary is elected, it will be because of the NeverTrumpers, the NeverTrumpers will own the destruction of the USA that Hillary brings.  The NeverTrumpers will own the amnesty that Hillary promises to do in her first 100 days. The NeverTrumpers will own the thousands of Islamic refugees Hillary promises to bring  to the USA. The NeverTrumpers will own the Marxist judges Hillary will appoint. The NeverTrumpers will own TPP and all the other job killing trade deal Hillary will sign off on. The NeverTrumpers will own Hillary's anti Israel, pro Muslim Brotherhood foreign policy.

The fate of the nation hangs in balance and any NeverTrumper that does not join the battle is a traitor to the Republic. Since Hillary as POTUS means the end of the republic as we know it.

Gee since you put it that way I might as well just kill myself now since we are all gonna die if Trump Is not elected.
 

[sinkspur]

You're right, my "party" is fighting against the globalist (Marxist) take over of the USA. You on the other hand are helping enable the Marxists by sulking in the corner because your (bought and paid for bushbot candidate lost).  My candidate promises to end illegal immigration, my candidate promises to build "The Wall", my candidate promises to enforce existing (immigration) laws, my candidate promises to stop and reverse the flow of third world "refugees", my candidate promises to restore US sovereignty by getting us out of Mega Trade deals like NAFTA, WTO and TPP, I could go on.

You on the other hand are supporting Hillary. There are only two choices Hillary or Trump. If you are old enough to vote and you do not support Trump you are a defacto Hillary Clinton supporter.

If Hillary is elected, it will be because of the NeverTrumpers, the NeverTrumpers will own the destruction of the USA that Hillary brings.  The NeverTrumpers will own the amnesty that Hillary promises to do in her first 100 days. The NeverTrumpers will own the thousands of Islamic refugees Hillary promises to bring  to the USA. The NeverTrumpers will own the Marxist judges Hillary will appoint. The NeverTrumpers will own TPP and all the other job killing trade deal Hillary will sign off on. The NeverTrumpers will own Hillary's anti Israel, pro Muslim Brotherhood foreign policy.

The fate of the nation hangs in balance and any NeverTrumper that does not join the battle is a traitor to the Republic. Since Hillary as POTUS means the end of the republic as we know it.

You and Sean Hannity.  A small group of conservatives who couldn't stop Trump from being nominated will now be to blame if he loses the general.  Makes no sense, but, heh, cling to it if it makes you feel better.

Howza bout that new child care entitlement your boy unveiled yesterday?  Another business mandate, the expansion of the social safety net to include Ivanka's upper east side liberal buddies, and more debt.

I am #NeverTrump and that means NEVER.

[Wingnut]

What do you want from life. Donald Trump as President?

Well, you can't have that, but
If you're an American citizen you are entitled to:
A heated kidney shaped pool
A microwave oven--don't watch the food cook
A Dyna-Gym--I'll personally demonstrate it in the privacy of your own home
A kingsize Titanic unsinkable Molly Brown waterbed with polybendum
A foolproof plan and an airtight alibi
Real simulated Indian jewelry!
A Gucci shoetree!
A year's supply of antibiotics
A personally autographed picture of Randy Mantooth
And Bob Dylan's new unlisted phone number
A beautifully restored 3rd Reich swizzle stick
Rosemary's baby!
A dream date in kneepads with Paul Williams
A new Matador
A new mastadon
A Maverick
A Mustang
A Montego
A Merc Montclair
A Mark IV
A meteor
A Mercedes
An MG
Or a Malibu?
A Mort Moriarty
A Maserati
A Mac truck
A Mazda
A new Monza
Or a moped
A Winnebago
Hell, a herd of Winnebago's, we're giving 'em away
Or how about a McCulloch chainsaw?
A Las Vegas wedding
A Mexican divorce
A solid gold Kama Sutra coffee pot
Or
A baby's arm holding an apple?

[jpsb]

How, exactly, are the #nevertrumps going to be scapegoated for Trump's loss in November?  How, when they are such a small group (according to the Trump supporters) ...and especially when they are the ones that warned the Trump supporters from Day One that Trump would lose to Hillary?  In what alternate universe of unreality and illogic would that occur?  Oh wait....I remember what universe.  The lalaland universe of leftist idiocy and doublethink....which somehow, suspiciously, aligns perfectly with "Trumpthink".

There are two groups that are NeverTrump, first there is the professional political/consultant class (Uniparty) and then there are the lose losers. The sore losers far out number professional political/consultant class. The uniparty is fine with Hillary since Hillary will continue to feed the uniparty pigs. For them it's business as usual with Hillary. Trump on the other hand might just do what he says he'd do and clean up the corruption in DC. The Uniparty (Romney, Cruz, Kasick) will never vote Trump.

Now the sore losers, since they did not get their way, are simply sucking their thumps and stamping their feet while they sulk in the corner. I am hopeful they will wake up in time to realize it now or never for the Republic, if Trump loses the USA is finished as a constitutional republic.

[chae]

@jpsb

Well, I've been told by Trump supporters that when Trump wins, I will be shot for treason because I don't support Trump, so for me, I guess I'm  dead either way, so to quote the beast, "What difference does it make?"

[Smokin Joe]

You're right, my "party" is fighting against the globalist (Marxist) take over of the USA.

Are you now? By using a New York Liberal as your standard bearer? Really, the only reason I can see to do that is to use the old, fat, guy for cover.

You on the other hand are helping enable the Marxists by sulking in the corner because your (bought and paid for bushbot candidate lost).

Welcome to the General Election, pal. My candidate hasn't lost, because the election isn't over. Darrell Castle is not likely to be a "paid for bushbot", either.

  My candidate promises to end illegal immigration, my candidate promises to build "The Wall", my candidate promises to enforce existing (immigration) laws, my candidate promises to stop and reverse the flow of third world "refugees", my candidate promises to restore US sovereignty by getting us out of Mega Trade deals like NAFTA, WTO and TPP, I could go on.

Let's go down your list, in order, he can't (If people made it through the Berlin Wall, how is Trump going to stop illegal immigration?), 1954 miles of it?  , he's going to send them back?  , he's going to send them back?  , he has to have the Congress set that up, but it wouldn't be the first time the US has broken treaties (ask my wife, she's Chippewa).
I am sure you could go on.
Your candidate not only promises a lot of things, but he promises both sides of those issues as well. He walks his promises back so often, they don't have the credibility of a warm dab of spit on the sidewalk.

You on the other hand are supporting Hillary.

Nope. I'm supporting Darrell Castle, Constitution Party.

There are only two choices Hillary or Trump.

Come back when you learn a little more about the political landscape. There are 70+ political parties in the US. Crowing about a false dichotomy doesn't make it real.

If you are old enough to vote and you do not support Trump you are a defacto Hillary Clinton supporter.

Tedious child, I have grandchildren old enough to vote, again. Your repetitive raving that manure does not make it so. I support neither New York Liberal, because I am supporting a Constitutional Conservative.

If Hillary is elected, it will be because of the NeverTrumpers, the NeverTrumpers will own the destruction of the USA that Hillary brings.  The NeverTrumpers will own the amnesty that Hillary promises to do in her first 100 days. The NeverTrumpers will own the thousands of Islamic refugees Hillary promises to bring  to the USA. The NeverTrumpers will own the Marxist judges Hillary will appoint. The NeverTrumpers will own TPP and all the other job killing trade deal Hillary will sign off on. The NeverTrumpers will own Hillary's anti Israel, pro Muslim Brotherhood foreign policy.

Have you checked your meds? Has the doctor changed your prescription or dosage lately? Have you been keeping up? Have you been self-medicating with substances which may interact with your normal maintenance medications?

We "nevertrumpers" were informed by your candidate that our presence was neither wanted nor required. WE didn't ask for Trump to be the nominee, WE didn't vote for him in the primaries, WE counseled people against supporting him for a wide array of reasons. WE were assured that we were so few in number WE were insignificant. Okay, fine.

YOU voted for him. YOU continued to support that charlatan. YOU insisted he be your nominee. Well, pal, he's all YOURS. Despite having been informed well in advance that your candidate would NOT receive our support, even in the general election, YOU insisted we were not needed. Fine.

YOU screwed that pooch, now YOU can feed the puppies. Own it.

The fate of the nation hangs in balance and any NeverTrumper that does not join the battle is a traitor to the Republic.

You have no idea what I have done, who I am, where I have been, and you would call me a TRAITOR because we disagree on a political candidate? Especially considering that the political Party I support is the Party which has The United States Constitution as its core platform.

Do you think those who support original intent of the United States Constitution are Traitors? If so, you just might be in the wrong country.

Since Hillary as POTUS means the end of the republic as we know it.

The end of the Republic as we know it? Hillary will be more Obama, and that's exactly what we are getting now. From the walkbacks in position statements, the softening on issues, I think Trump would be another pile of Obama, only under a label the GOP won't even be expected to fight against. Little mind, why do you think the GOPe is for Trump? Because they can shove the same crap through they have been shoving for fun and profit, and have the smokescreen of having a Republican sign off on it--all the more reason not to fight it.

With Hillary, they can be voted out for not at least putting up the token resistance they have given Obama, and "token resistance" describes most of them on Capitol Hill at best.
 
Actually, I am fully for a restoration of the Republic, which largely exists in name only at present. The GOP hasn't prevented that, despite controlling Congress. With few exceptions, Obama asks and they deliver. With Trump calling for more oligarchy-enhancing measures at the expense of taxpayers' lives, treasure, and Rights, the GOP won't even have to fight. With Hillary, whom I DO NOT SUPPORT (in case you forgot who I am supporting), at least they would have to appear to resist or they'd be primaried out and maybe we'd get some more folks in Congress with larger 'hands' and a set to match.

But that is why I support the Constitution Party, and is why I am against Hillary AND Trump.

I am in the battle for the Republic, just not under the orange flag.

While Trump may be the enemy of my enemy, he is not my 'friend'. I am from "flyover" country, I work in the Oil industry, I believe in the Government which governs best governs least. NEITHER of those candidates is any friend to me or the Republic.
 
Frankly, I'd sooner see those who advocate even more and more efficient Federal Government (already grown far beyond the scope of the duties imposed and constraints placed upon it by the Constitution) all thrown out of office, but that will take two things: the right candidates and a more enlightened electorate than you represent.

[jpsb]

I'd say you are in "the world is going to end unless we...." category.

We have survived Wilson, FDR,LBJ,Carter, Clinton, and so far, Obama.
We will survive Clinton, or Trump.

I'll say this, Hillary people aren't running around telling me we will die if Trump wins.
I haven't heard it anyway.
Now, a lot of them say they will leave the country, but they say that every time a Republican is elected.

I will not vote for Hillary, that you can be sure of.

I was alive in the pre-LBJ late 40's, 50's and early 60's America, believe me this American bares very little resemblance to that America. And a post Hillary Clinton America will not be a constitutional rule of law republic. A post Hillary America will be a land ruled by Marxist oligarchy and folks like you (and me) will effectively be turned into serfs. Mexico is the model our ruling elites wish to emulate. You would be wise to not to help them turn the USA into Mexico.

Just how are you going to survive all the Marxist judges Hillary will appoint? Do you really think a Hillary packed Supreme Court is going to reverse any of its' recent decisions? If Hillary wins conservatives will lose any hope that the judicial system will ever operate within the bounds of the Constitution.

How are you going to survive the tens of millions of Marxist 3rd world invaders that Hillary will legalize and allow to vote? If Hillary wins no conservative will ever again be elected nationally, only a few will still be elected state wide. The House will go Marxist and so will the Senate.  America will turn into one big California under President Hillary.

How are you going to survive when every job that can be off shored is off shored? Maybe your job is safe but imagine what it will be like to live in a community where just about everyone is broke, desperate  and out of work. 

And you can kiss your second amendments right good-bye too.

[jpsb]

Are you now? By using a New York Liberal as your standard bearer? Really, the only reason I can see to do that is to use the old, fat, guy for cover. Welcome to the General Election, pal. My candidate hasn't lost, because the election isn't over. Darrell Castle is not likely to be a "paid for bushbot", either.  Let's go down your list, in order, he can't (If people made it through the Berlin Wall, how is Trump going to stop illegal immigration?), 1954 miles of it?  , he's going to send them back?  , he's going to send them back?  , he has to have the Congress set that up, but it wouldn't be the first time the US has broken treaties (ask my wife, she's Chippewa).

First, I cut out most of your rant, since it was pretty much just more of the same, Trump is bad, GOP is bad so I am sitting out the fight to preserve the Republic. Maybe Trump will soften is stand on (illegal) immigration. I hope not but Hillary promises to grant Amnesty to tens of millions of illegals  in her first 100 days. So I'll take my chances with Trump. Tens of millions of new Marxist voters will make the GOP about as relevant as the Constitution Party.

Second, Trump does not need Congress to do a thing. The wall has already been authorized, all Trump has to do is enforce EXISTING law. That's it just enforce the laws ALREADY ON THE BOOKS and most illegals will leave on their own. It's also idiotic to make the claim that walls don't work. Are the 100% effective? No, but walls have been doing a good job of keeping the uninvited out for thousands of years.

[INVAR]

a post Hillary Clinton America will not be a constitutional rule of law republic. A post Hillary America will be a land ruled by Marxist oligarchy and folks like you (and me) will effectively be turned into serfs.

We are no longer a Constitutional Republic.  YOUR PARTY enabled the rule of law to be usurped and replaced by a defacto dictatorship THEY enabled so as to continue their fascist Ruling Class gravy train at Mordor on the Potomac.  So your fear-mongering is more than a bit late.

Mexico is the model our ruling elites wish to emulate. You would be wise to not to help them turn the USA into Mexico.

By voting for a lifelong NYC liberal Democrat???????  Delusional.

Just how are you going to survive all the Marxist judges Hillary will appoint?

How have we survived all the ones Clinton and Obama have appointed to the Federal bench?  I will survive just fine.  No man, no "judge" has authority to abolish my inalienable rights. All they have are guns their agents will put to our heads.

Which ought to tell you what time it is.

Do you really think a Hillary packed Supreme Court is going to reverse any of its' recent decisions?

Name for us one SCOTUS ruling that was reversed by itself.  Hell the GOP still hasn't reversed and rescinded ObamaCare, don't know why you assume under Trump they are going to reverse anything that Trump has already supported in the past.

If Hillary wins conservatives will lose any hope that the judicial system will ever operate within the bounds of the Constitution.

Irrelevant as to who wins.  The entire federal government is ALREADY outside the bounds of the Constitution with the willing assistance of your party.  So your point is again.. moot.

How are you going to survive the tens of millions of Marxist 3rd world invaders that Hillary will legalize and allow to vote?

Already being done under Obama and the GOP majorities in both houses. 

If Hillary wins no conservative will ever again be elected nationally, only a few will still be elected state wide. The House will go Marxist and so will the Senate.

That was inevitable the moment Obama took the helm in 2008.  Cook County went national and we saw that level of corruption on a national scale.  We will never see another Conservative win national office again, notwithstanding the destruction Trump himself has inflicted upon the Conservative movement as Hillary's Trojan Stalking Horse.

How are you going to survive when every job that can be off shored is off shored? Maybe your job is safe but imagine what it will be like to live in a community where just about everyone is broke, desperate  and out of work. 

Amazing how many people hand the Beast the amount of power that they do.  Then again, your prince is promising actions that will destroy what is left of the free market system in this county by imposing punitive actions and telling businesses where they can operate.  Trump will accelerate broke, desperate and out of work.

And you can kiss your second amendments right good-bye too.

Yawn.

They have no authority to do such a thing and they only go good-bye if you surrender them.

They can decree whatever they like.  And they can some and try to take them.

We will be waiting.

[GrouchoTex]

There are two groups that are NeverTrump, first there is the professional political/consultant class (Uniparty) and then there are the lose losers. The sore losers far out number professional political/consultant class. The uniparty is fine with Hillary since Hillary will continue to feed the uniparty pigs. For them it's business as usual with Hillary. Trump on the other hand might just do what he says he'd do and clean up the corruption in DC. The Uniparty (Romney, Cruz, Kasick) will never vote Trump.

Now the sore losers, since they did not get their way, are simply sucking their thumps and stamping their feet while they sulk in the corner. I am hopeful they will wake up in time to realize it now or never for the Republic, if Trump loses the USA is finished as a constitutional republic.

Calling Cruz a Uniparty member is hilarious, since Trump has had a propensity to coddle up to those folks far more than Cruz ever has.
The only people I see sulking in corners and stamping their feet are Trump supports who can't "persuade" us to vote for the lesser of two liberals, or the lesser of two evils, both work.
Trump and his daughter are running around TV, claiming that their unconstitutional proposal, in regards to child care, is better than Hillary's unconstitutional proposal.
You've mentioned Marxist judges several times in your post.
If Trump is willing to put out proposals on issues that aren't the federal government's responsibility, why would he be willing to nominate judges that would limit the federal government's role?

[Smokin Joe]

First, I cut out most of your rant, since it was pretty much just more of the same, Trump is bad, GOP is bad so I am sitting out the fight to preserve the Republic. Maybe Trump will soften is stand on (illegal) immigration. I hope not but Hillary promises to grant Amnesty to tens of millions of illegals  in her first 100 days. So I'll take my chances with Trump. Tens of millions of new Marxist voters will make the GOP about as relevant as the Constitution Party.

Second, Trump does not need Congress to do a thing. The wall has already been authorized, all Trump has to do is enforce EXISTING law. That's it just enforce the laws ALREADY ON THE BOOKS and most illegals will leave on their own. It's also idiotic to make the claim that walls don't work. Are the 100% effective? No, but walls have been doing a good job of keeping the uninvited out for thousands of years.

You edited my comments to take them out of context. Fine, whatever. Trump can;t build a wall without funding. No money (which has to come from Congress) no wall. 1954 miles of EIS should take care of that. still no wall. Not only has Trump softened his stand on illegal immigration, but he has proposed a welfare program that will be the most expensive since the Great Society. And the hits just keep on coming.

As for whether you regard the Constitution or the Constitution Party as relevant, you are free to vote your conscience. I intend for the Constitution to be returned to relevance and the Constitution Party to supersede the GOP.

[LMAO]

Now the sore losers, since they did not get their way, are simply sucking their thumps and stamping their feet while they sulk in the corner. I am hopeful they will wake up in time to realize it now or never for the Republic, if Trump loses the USA is finished as a constitutional republic.

How about a third group. Those of us that are greatly concerned about our fiscal situation and march towards more statism and see not only Trump nor Hillary correcting either but continuing them?