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Texas now a tossup as Trump loses support there
« on: September 06, 2016, 01:45:04 pm »
Texas now a tossup as Trump loses support there


BY ELIZABETH KOH
September 6, 2016

A new poll by The Washington Post and online polling site SurveyMonkey suggests there may be another battleground for the already embattled Republican presidential nominee: Texas.

The poll, which sampled voters in all 50 states, showed opponent Hillary Clinton at 46 percent and Trump at 45 percent in the Lone Star State, suggesting Texas’ rapidly shifting demographics might tilt the historically red state more purple in the upcoming election.

Texas has not elected a single Democrat to statewide office in more than 20 years — the only Democrat to currently hold a statewide office changed his affiliation from Republican to Democrat after winning his seat on the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals. According to the Post, President Barack Obama also lost Texas by 16 points in his 2012 re-election bid, though Trump’s support has declined precipitously in recent polls during his campaign.

Texas Democrats have long hoped that the state’s growing Hispanic and Latino populations may put it in political play in future elections, and Clinton herself said in a New York Magazine article earlier this year that she hopes to be competitive in the state


A national survey of Latino registered voters conducted by Latino Decisions showed they were substantially more likely to find Clinton a favorable candidate, with 68 percent in support. Trump, however, was likely to be viewed more unfavorably, with just 21 percent calling him a favorable candidate.

According to the 2010 census, Hispanics and Latinos made up nearly 38% of the state’s population. But the Post poll, citing the state’s electoral history, still predicts Trump is likely to win despite his current dead heat with the Democratic nominee.

The Post-SurveyMonkey poll also showed narrow races in North Carolina, Ohio and Arizona, which also has a long history of voting Republican. The poll was the largest undertaken by the Post, and included answers from more than 74,000 registered voters across the country throughout the month of August.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article100128197.html#storylink=cpy
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Re: Texas now a tossup as Trump loses support there
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2016, 01:45:30 pm »
Trump loses Texas and it doesn't matter what other states he wins.
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Re: Texas now a tossup as Trump loses support there
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2016, 01:47:32 pm »
Polls seem to be all over the place today. Trump is either in deep trouble, or seems to be winning every battleground state.

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Re: Texas now a tossup as Trump loses support there
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2016, 01:49:51 pm »
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The poll, which sampled voters in all 50 states, showed opponent Hillary Clinton at 46 percent and Trump at 45 percent in the Lone Star State, suggesting Texas’ rapidly shifting demographics might tilt the historically red state more purple in the upcoming election.

Shifting demographics might have something to do with it but throwing 2 NY liberals into the mix isn't helping.

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Re: Texas now a tossup as Trump loses support there
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2016, 01:54:04 pm »
Shifting demographics might have something to do with it but throwing 2 NY liberals into the mix isn't helping.

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Re: Texas now a tossup as Trump loses support there
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2016, 01:55:15 pm »
...but how can this possibly be true?  Rick Perry and Greg Abbot endorsed him.  *hmmmm*
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Re: Texas now a tossup as Trump loses support there
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2016, 01:59:21 pm »
...but how can this possibly be true?  Rick Perry and Greg Abbot endorsed him.  *hmmmm*

Not surprised.  Many of us Texans do not like loud obnoxious Yankees.
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Re: Texas now a tossup as Trump loses support there
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2016, 02:01:20 pm »
Trump loses Texas and it doesn't matter what other states he wins.

Maybe he will hire a staffer for Texas, he already has a campaign mailbox in Austin.... isn't that the important part...  :tongue2:

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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2016, 02:02:26 pm »
Shifting demographics might have something to do with it but throwing 2 NY liberals into the mix isn't helping.

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Re: Texas now a tossup as Trump loses support there
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2016, 02:06:57 pm »
...but how can this possibly be true?  Rick Perry and Greg Abbot endorsed him.  *hmmmm*

One thing that doesn't help is the campaign's failure to really set up State and local activism, he is relying on his celebrity status and running the campaign nationally. I know it is anecdotal, but we are deep, deep red, and the local precinct chair does not like Trump at all and doesn't have any signs or bumper stickers at the local office. I've seen one kid with a Trump hat and shirt, one house with a sign, and maybe two cars. The local Young Republicans chapter chair quit and switched to Libertarian, taking most of that group with her.

On the other hand, our local Libertarian chair is extremely active and has been getting in cases of Johnson merch and can't keep it in stock.

As they say, all politics is local, and now is the time when the feet have to get dirty going door to door, neighborhood to neighborhood. You can't take for granted the local ground game and those that do the local work.

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Re: Texas now a tossup as Trump loses support there
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2016, 03:02:49 pm »
Maybe he will hire a staffer for Texas, he already has a campaign mailbox in Austin.... isn't that the important part...  :tongue2:

Here's a picture of Trump's mailbox in Nevada, near Rachel NV:



His support in Texas may be weakening, in part due to his "evolving" positions on the Wall and Immigration.

And let's not bring up how he trashed Ted's wife and father...incessantly. If we still "Remember the Alamo", how did Trump ever expect us to let bygones be bygones over Ted and his family?

BTW, here's a (bad) joke I told a few folks in my office last week:

Hey, did you hear the joke about Hillary and Trump?

I'd tell you, but I'd be in violation of the Hatch Act.

Sad to say, it took a few seconds for the irony to soak in. That's the level of awareness I have to deal with: most have alphabet soup after their names, yet very few are reasonably well read or curious about the world around them. Only a few here have read, or heard of, Atlas Shrugged, for example.
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Re: Texas now a tossup as Trump loses support there
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2016, 03:06:18 pm »
It won't help him that one of the largest papers in the state--The Dallas Morning News--is, today, refusing to endorse Trump:

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,223685.msg1043310/topicseen.html#msg1043310
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Re: Texas now a tossup as Trump loses support there
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2016, 03:26:08 pm »
Survey Monkey is online polling and thus, unreliable.

Fox had a map up this morning showing TX solid red.

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Re: Texas now a tossup as Trump loses support there
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2016, 03:51:33 pm »
It won't help him that one of the largest papers in the state--The Dallas Morning News--is, today, refusing to endorse Trump:

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,223685.msg1043310/topicseen.html#msg1043310

Problem is.....most of the people that are likely to vote for Trump against Hillary probably don't take or read the newspaper.  They won't even know. 

Trump will probably squeak by (his ssdd MOD) in Texas.  But if he wins here, he will do so without my help.  After all....he said more than once that he didn't need the conservative vote.  So be it.
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2016, 03:54:14 pm »
Survey Monkey is online polling and thus, unreliable.

Fox had a map up this morning showing TX solid red.

Good grief.  Yes, of course Texas is "solid red".  But Texas also has a 'few' conservative voters.  Voters that will probably sit this one out, since Trump himself has claimed he doesn't need (or want) conservatives' votes.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/05/08/trump-i-have-principles-dont-need-conservatives-to-support-me/
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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2016, 04:38:06 pm »
As they say, all politics is local, and now is the time when the feet have to get dirty going door to door, neighborhood to neighborhood. You can't take for granted the local ground game and those that do the local work.

I'd bet the farm that folks here would play armchair political strategist and criticize him for "wasting precious time" in a deep red state, just like they did when he visited Mississippi. They also criticized him for "wasting time" in the inner cities, and "wasting time" in Washington state. Now he's being criticized for not spending enough time in Texas based on one poll? Of course, that poll would be considered an "outlier" if it showed positive news for Trump, but since it doesn't it must be accurate.
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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2016, 04:48:30 pm »
I'd bet the farm that folks here would play armchair political strategist and criticize him for "wasting precious time" in a deep red state, just like they did when he visited Mississippi. They also criticized him for "wasting time" in the inner cities, and "wasting time" in Washington state. Now he's being criticized for not spending enough time in Texas based on one poll? Of course, that poll would be considered an "outlier" if it showed positive news for Trump, but since it doesn't it must be accurate.

Trump is not being criticized for not visiting Texas.  He is being criticized for having zero ground game here.  No offices, no staff, nothing.  Guess he thinks he doesn't need it.

We'll see.
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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2016, 05:22:08 pm »
It won't help him that one of the largest papers in the state--The Dallas Morning News--is, today, refusing to endorse Trump.

Nobody cares any more about what newspaper editorial boards think.  At one time it mattered.  The world has changed.

I detest Trump.  I will vote for him regardless.  Almost everyone I know feels the same way.  Inner cities, generational Democrats who vote like Daddy did, Travis County and the Valley will vote blue, but that poll is hogwash.

It was a flaky Washington Post internet poll.  Unless something earthshaking happens between now and November (and that literally happened here last week!!) Texas is red.

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Re: Texas now a tossup as Trump loses support there
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2016, 05:30:17 pm »
You guyz are a riot!    :silly:

He's ahead in OHIO right now.....but he's not going to win Texas?

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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2016, 05:59:28 pm »
Maybe he will hire a staffer for Texas, he already has a campaign mailbox in Austin.... isn't that the important part...  :tongue2:

Don't forget the phone number he has that is always busy...

What a JOKE this candidate is...

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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2016, 06:03:04 pm »
You guyz are a riot!    :silly:

He's ahead in OHIO right now.....but he's not going to win Texas?

...put down the bong.

I do not know of a single person voting for him... and I talk with quite the cross section of Republican voters...

You're kidding yourself if you think Trump is going to win in November. He'll win Texas, but he's toast.

If you cannot see that, you're sticking your head in the sand.
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Re: Texas now a tossup as Trump loses support there
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2016, 06:07:39 pm »
Don't forget the phone number he has that is always busy...

What a JOKE this candidate is...

Thank you Trump supporters for President Clinton...

100% blame is on YOU.

As it should be, though they will of course blame everyone else.

If Trump loses there's gonna be an intraparty fight thats gonna destroy the GOP permanently.

His supporters think Trump saved the GOP when its clear he'll have been the bullet to its head. Probably for the better.
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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2016, 06:16:33 pm »
Nobody cares any more about what newspaper editorial boards think. At one time it mattered.  The world has changed.

I detest Trump.  I will vote for him regardless.  Almost everyone I know feels the same way.  Inner cities, generational Democrats who vote like Daddy did, Travis County and the Valley will vote blue, but that poll is hogwash.

It was a flaky Washington Post internet poll.  Unless something earthshaking happens between now and November (and that literally happened here last week!!) Texas is red.

I believe that you are wrong about that.   Folks like my (now passed away) parents, the older conservatives that are still alive and that still have their coffee every morning while reading the DMN, will care.  Especially if they were previously 'on the fence' and undecided on whether to hold their noses and vote for Trump this November.  It's more than likely that many of them will now just sit at home and not vote.
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« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2016, 06:19:11 pm »
I believe that you are wrong about that.   Folks like my (now passed away) parents, the older conservatives that are still alive and that still have their coffee every morning while reading the DMN, will care.  Especially if they were previously 'on the fence' and undecided on whether to hold their noses and vote for Trump this November.  It's more than likely that many of them will now just sit at home and not vote.

I'll bet you any amount you wish....that Texas will go for Trump!

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« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2016, 06:24:40 pm »
Unless something earthshaking happens between now and November (and that literally happened here last week!!) Texas is red.

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