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He didn't run the airline into the ground, the shuttle still exists as American Airlines Shuttle.

He tried something new which was a luxury shuttle, but the economy didn't cooperate.

His financial backers took over the operation and eventually sold it.
The rest of the world refers to that as a "failed venture". Insolvent. Bankrupt. Or, more colloquially, 'run into the ground'.
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The rest of the world refers to that as a "failed venture". Insolvent. Bankrupt. Or, more colloquially, 'run into the ground'.

Well, unless you are a financially embattled thousandaire like the Orange con man.

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Well, unless you are a financially embattled thousandaire like the Orange con man.
Maybe he can get Mexico to pay for it. "Si se puede!" **nononono*
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Another foray into explaining the real trump by supporters.

I'll use smaller words next time so you're not so confused.

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The rest of the world refers to that as a "failed venture". Insolvent. Bankrupt. Or, more colloquially, 'run into the ground'.

Except the business wasn't run into the ground, it survived and was sold and still exists today.




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But that wasn't the only time Kovaleski had interviewed Trump. And Trump certainly knew who he was, especially after not liking the article that Kovaleski wrote for the NY Daily News about the maiden voyage of Trump Air, to personally call him about it - “Trump and the guy who was running the Trump Shuttle for him ... called me the day the story ran and Trump started screaming over the speaker phone about what a piece of sh-- the story was,” Kovaleski said.”

This wasn’t some sort of pressor with dozens of reporters shouting questions from a crowded room. Kovaleski was among a few reports who flew with Trump. And if you’ve seen pictures of Kovaleski, he’s not someone that many people would forget meeting even if only once or only on a few occaisions.

Now you're embellishing...you have no idea how many reporters were on the plane with Trump or how much time Trump spent engaged with them.

And where is the article Kovaleski's "witness" claims they were working on when they spent a couple of hours in Trump's office?

Please tell me there is more reporting on Trump from Kovaleski  than that single man in the field article.

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The high debt forced Trump to default on his loans, and ownership of the company was turned over to creditors. The Trump Shuttle ceased to exist in 1992 when it was merged into a new corporation, Shuttle Inc.

The default took place in 1990 after the first Gulf war doubled the price of oil and caused a recession, yet the airline flew for another two years with the Trump name on it as the partners in the venture negotiated a sale.

No one could have predicted a spike in oil prices caused by a war in the middle east when planning such a venture.

It was a calculated risk and all the partners involved were seasoned lenders who knew the risk they were taking.

Now come down off your high horse and tell us all how many jobs you've created lately big boy.

I'll wait


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The default took place in 1990 after the first Gulf war doubled the price of oil and caused a recession, yet the airline flew for another two years with the Trump name on it as the partners in the venture negotiated a sale.

No one could have predicted a spike in oil prices caused by a war in the middle east when planning such a venture.

It was a calculated risk and all the partners involved were seasoned lenders who knew the risk they were taking.

Now come down off your high horse and tell us all how many jobs you've created lately big boy.

I'll wait

Partners? They are generally called Creditors in legal documents. All 22 "partners" were banks.

Do you get into partnerships on a ham sandwich when you use a credit card to buy it?

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In other words you got nothing...and Trump was correct about there being lots of Muslims celebrating 9-11

Get a life Cucky

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Partners? They are generally called Creditors in legal documents. All 22 "partners" were banks.

Do you get into partnerships on a ham sandwich when you use a credit card to buy it?

Have you seen the legal documents for Trump Shuttle or are you just talking out of your hind end?

Hind end it is...

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There are plenty of other business ventures that equate to an epic fail on Trump's part.  He may be rich, but he's not always as successful as he pretends to be.  And when it comes to spending or donating his own money, he's a cheapskate.  Probably proven by what's in his tax returns that he refuses to release.

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1. Trump Airlines
In 1988, Trump took out a $245 million loan to purchase the planes and routes of Eastern Air Shuttle. He slapped a TRUMP decal and some gold bathroom fixtures on the commuter planes that flew between New York, Boston and Washington, D.C., but customers weren't charmed. Two years after he launched Trump Shuttle, the airline wasn't making enough money to even cover the $1 million monthly interest payment on his loan. Trump ultimately defaulted, surrendering ownership of the airline to his creditors.

12 'other' failures of Trump's.....

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/donald-trumps-13-biggest-business-failures-20160314
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Have you seen the legal documents for Trump Shuttle or are you just talking out of your hind end?

Hind end it is...

What is there to see that isn't known. Trump borrowed a pile of money to buy a part of Eastern Airlines. He ran it into the ground. Citibank ended up fire saling it to US Scare to recoup the loss. No partners. No complexity at all.

This is all known to most informed people. I am curious. Do you still live in your moms basement and get your news from old newspapers you use for bedding?

http://pix11.com/2016/04/12/from-1989-donald-trump-launches-trump-shuttle-with-string-quartet-and-sparkling-wine/

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You're right Frank, you're so freakin smart its scary.

That ham sandwich credit card analogy...that was just off the charts.

Off you go now...


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You're right Frank, you're so freakin smart its scary.

That ham sandwich credit card analogy...that was just off the charts.

Off you go now...

Right. You're the real genius. Just keep throwing up 3rd grade dismissals of hard facts while continuing to show not one ounce of even understanding a basic LLC in between.

Why don't you dazzle me with your highly tuned insights and cite who these "partners" were that Donny was involved with that were not a bank loaning him money.

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Not sure where he lives, but you can tell a lot about a person from their postings:

That's damn creepy. I don't even know how to mentally process that picture.

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Except the business wasn't run into the ground, it survived and was sold and still exists today.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Shuttle Let's try this again.
Trump Shuttle ran into financial difficulties right out of the gate, and never turned a profit.
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In September 1990 the loans were defaulted and ownership of the airline passed to its creditor banks, led by Citicorp.
Most folks call that 'bankruptcy', 'belly up', "teats up", even 'crashed', but that last one sounds so bad for a passenger air service.

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(same source)With airline share prices depressed by the recession and anticipation of the Gulf War, they were unable to sell the operation at a desired price despite lengthy negotiations first with Northwest Airlines, then American Airlines and US Air Group.

The banks finally negotiated a complex marketing arrangement in which US Air Group would assume 40% ownership and agree to manage the operation for ten years, including fares, financial record keeping, advertising, promotions, aircraft maintenance, and labor relations. The same agreement gave USAir an option to purchase the entire shuttle operation on or after October 10, 1996 with an exclusive right to do so until April 10, 1997. On April 7, 1992 Trump Shuttle ceased to exist when it was merged into a new corporation, Shuttle, Inc., which began operating as the USAir Shuttle on April 12, 1992.
Oopsie. All gone.

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(same source)US Airways subsequently purchased the remainder of Shuttle, Inc. on November 19, 1997, and the service subsequently operated under the name US Airways Shuttle. Shuttle, Inc. remained as a subsidiary of US Air Group until July 1, 2000, when it was merged into US Airways. In October 2015, US Airways merged with American Airlines, at which point the shuttle became the American Airlines Shuttle.

Like the Trump Princess, the boat still exists. It goes by the Kingdom 5KR (still afloat) and belongs to Prince Al Waleed of Saudi Arabia...Oh wait, it's just not Trump's boat any more.

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The default took place in 1990 after the first Gulf war doubled the price of oil and caused a recession, yet the airline flew for another two years with the Trump name on it as the partners in the venture negotiated a sale.

No one could have predicted a spike in oil prices caused by a war in the middle east when planning such a venture.

It was a calculated risk and all the partners involved were seasoned lenders who knew the risk they were taking.

Now come down off your high horse and tell us all how many jobs you've created lately big boy.

I'll wait
When Iraq invaded Kuwait, anyone who knows squat about the oil industry knew the price of oil would go up. That invasion may not have necessarily been predictable, but the disruption in oil supplies could be anticipated during the expulsion of Iraqi forces. It's tough to produce and transport flammable liquids in a war zone. When withdrawing forces started blowing up wellheads, the price spike was going to last.

I helped get an oil boom going around 2000 in Elm Coulee Field by finding oil for a company who was eventually bought out by another company who was bought out by a Fortune 5 company. I was in the right place at the right time, and doing my job very well. That boom may have slowed down a bit (those pesky global commodity markets), but a few thousand people are still employed, and I've had a hand in making a few hundred people millionaires, just from their royalty interests. That doesn't count those who just tagged along on equity trades.

How about you? What have you been up to?
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis

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I have heard that Trump said to the crowd: "You gotta see this guy." while mimicking him.

Have you ever used the word "bleep"? Then, you've done the same thing he is being accused of.

The answer to the question seems to be yes.

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Cruz campaign was saying Marco dismissed the Bible. Really as bad or worse if we are being politically correct.  Of course, these kinds of tricks happened in Carolina, Hawaii, Iowa but TC was never personally responsible.

http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2016/02/22/even-happen-cruzrubio-bible-spat-demonstrates-problem./

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Pro tip:



That is always the Pro tip - The only good thing I can say about Trump is he says mean things, but you have to vote against Hitlery.  That ploy has failed for many months now, and you are running out of time.

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I'll use smaller words next time so you're not so confused.
That's not confusion, it's scorn.

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Have you ever used the word "bleep"? Then, you've done the same thing he is being accused of.


Which one of us mocked a disabled man in front of thousands of people and on camera?  I'm not voting for that a$$hole either.
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Which one of us mocked a disabled man in front of thousands of people and on camera?  I'm not voting for that a$$hole either.
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Cruz campaign was saying Marco dismissed the Bible. Really as bad or worse if we are being politically correct.  Of course, these kinds of tricks happened in Carolina, Hawaii, Iowa but TC was never personally responsible.

http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2016/02/22/even-happen-cruzrubio-bible-spat-demonstrates-problem./
Wrong thread, or one trick pony?