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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2016, 02:54:57 am »
Quote from: unknown on August 22, 2016, 09:42:35 pm
In this article, I will not defend either of these two traditions.  Nevertheless, I will argue that, for better or for worse, the localist tradition is the more "original" conservatism, and the Trump phenomenon represents a kind of conservatism within conservatism.

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In other words, we have to play semantic games and say it's okay that he throws liberty to the back seat because it was once called 'conservatism'.  Well, "gay" meant different things at different times, but that doesn't mean someone is homosexual for being happy!

Regardless of what you call it, I don't want a big-government, anti-liberty authoritarian!
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2016, 03:00:38 am »
Quote from: NavyCanDo on August 23, 2016, 12:53:47 am
I can respect that decision. I still cannot sign my name onto Trump though, but living in a state that Hillary will easily win no matter what I do,  I will vote my conscience, and use my right to write-in. Then vote the down ballot.

If Texas was 50-50 I still wouldn't vote for either
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2016, 03:03:06 am »
In answer to the question; "Is Donald Trump more conservative than conservatives?  NO.
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2016, 03:41:23 am »
Quote from: geronl on August 23, 2016, 03:00:38 am
If Texas was 50-50 I still wouldn't vote for either

I'm beginning to wonder how Texas will actually vote. Tonight on my way home from work I saw a big Trump-Pence sign among the signs of more local candidates outside of an early voting location. The problem with this is that it was in Williamson County, the county known for being as conservative as Travis County (home of Austin) is liberal. I've never seen a big-ticket Republican sign here, simply because they don't need to advertise here. The only signs out usually are for local races, county commissioners, district attorneys, state representatives, and the like. The only Federal races that get Republican candidate signs here are for the U.S. House of Representatives. 

So why is someone paying to put up a Trump-Pence sign in one of the most Republican counties in Texas?  :pondering:
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2016, 03:53:23 am »
Quote from: Ghost Bear on August 23, 2016, 03:41:23 am

So why is someone paying to put up a Trump-Pence sign in one of the most Republican counties in Texas?  :pondering:

during the primary I saw a ton of Cruz signs and one Trump sign. This is also a Republican county.

I see no signs at all now.
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2016, 05:27:33 am »
If Donald Trump decided to take a Conservative position on anything, it would mark the very first time during this entire campaign that I was given a credible reason to vote for him.
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2016, 05:39:36 am »
I think the question in the title raises the bar too high at the start, the bar should be set at a starting level Trump can compete at, like:

Is Trump more conservative than a potato?

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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #57 on: August 23, 2016, 05:51:24 am »
Quote from: GtHawk on August 23, 2016, 05:39:36 am
I think the question in the title raises the bar too high at the start, the bar should be set at a starting level Trump can compete at, like:

Is Trump more conservative than a potato?

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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #58 on: August 23, 2016, 06:25:35 am »
Quote from: HonestJohn on August 22, 2016, 11:44:20 pm
I can't see *ANY* parallels in history.  Nope.  None at all.   :whistle:
Me neither.  :whistle:

Character counts. Unfortunately, neither of the two main contenders has it.
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #59 on: August 23, 2016, 10:38:10 am »
Quote from: AbaraXas on August 22, 2016, 10:08:16 pm
Yep, looking through this guy's articles, he does not believe More Conservative Than Conservatives is a positive thing. His writing indicates he is anti-Trump.  https://ethikapolitika.org/2016/05/10/benedict-option-cause-donald-trump/

Good post.  Appreciate that you made the effort to learn more and shared.
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #60 on: August 23, 2016, 10:57:09 am »
Quote from: Fantom on August 22, 2016, 10:01:10 pm
Right, certainly the  way to influence people and change minds.

An honest question.....what should he do to "influence people and change minds"....so that your hurt feeling you have from the a$$-whooping your preferred candidate took....oh wait....you didn't have any preferred candidate....did you?   Oh well......     :laugh:

You're not here looking to have your mind changed.....    :whistle:
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #61 on: August 23, 2016, 10:59:57 am »
Quote from: Oceander on August 22, 2016, 10:05:22 pm
They've long said - though they won't admit it - that they want a strong man, a caudillo, to rule with an iron fist.

Only in your empty head.

Show us the posts....or it never happened.
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #62 on: August 23, 2016, 11:54:34 am »
Quote from: Oceander on August 22, 2016, 10:05:22 pm
They've long said - though they won't admit it - that they want a strong man, a caudillo, to rule with an iron fist.

Quote from: DCPatriot on August 23, 2016, 10:59:57 am
Only in your empty head.

Show us the posts....or it never happened.

FWIW DC; while not any pro-Trump posters here that I can recall, I’ve seen quite a few posts over at TOS advocating for just that. I recall one poster saying that we need our own “American” Pinochet right now”. Another said something along the lines of “I’d be OK with Trump being a dictator “for a while””, another who said that after 4-8 years of Donald Trump, he should “appoint” Ivanka the next President, then Eric after that – create a Trump dynasty and another who said he thinks that if Trump loses the election, that he should launch a military coup.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3385631/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3385532/posts?page=297#297

dschapin got the Zot. RavenLooneyToon is still there.
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #63 on: August 23, 2016, 01:22:05 pm »
Quote from: Neverdul on August 23, 2016, 11:54:34 am
FWIW DC; while not any pro-Trump posters here that I can recall, I’ve seen quite a few posts over at TOS advocating for just that. I recall one poster saying that we need our own “American” Pinochet right now”. Another said something along the lines of “I’d be OK with Trump being a dictator “for a while””, another who said that after 4-8 years of Donald Trump, he should “appoint” Ivanka the next President, then Eric after that – create a Trump dynasty and another who said he thinks that if Trump loses the election, that he should launch a military coup.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3385631/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3385532/posts?page=297#297

dschapin got the Zot. RavenLooneyToon is still there.

When the aforementioned (pick a name....he's got several) posts what he did....he means THIS forum.

I will not allow blatant lies about TBR Trump Supporters to go unchallenged.

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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #64 on: August 23, 2016, 02:05:44 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on August 22, 2016, 10:05:22 pm
They've long said - though they won't admit it - that they want a strong man, a caudillo, to rule with an iron fist.

That's exactly what we are seeing.
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #65 on: August 23, 2016, 02:20:55 pm »
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #66 on: August 23, 2016, 02:50:20 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on August 22, 2016, 10:05:22 pm
They've long said - though they won't admit it - that they want a strong man, a caudillo, to rule with an iron fist.

Yes, they have said it (clearly), and no, they won't admit it.
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #67 on: August 23, 2016, 11:58:49 pm »
Quote from: DCPatriot on August 23, 2016, 10:57:09 am
An honest question.....what should he do to "influence people and change minds"....so that your hurt feeling you have from the a$$-whooping your preferred candidate took....oh wait....you didn't have any preferred candidate....did you?   Oh well......     :laugh:

You're not here looking to have your mind changed.....    :whistle:

Whatever Pocket Pool, I could care less about hurt feelings. Politics ain't bean bag.

I take my cue, not from what a worthless maggot trump is.. but rather the flies that POS attracts.
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #68 on: August 24, 2016, 12:11:47 am »
Quote from: DCPatriot on August 23, 2016, 10:57:09 am
An honest question.....what should he do to "influence people and change minds"....so that your hurt feeling you have from the a$$-whooping your preferred candidate took....oh wait....you didn't have any preferred candidate....did you?   Oh well......     :laugh:

You're not here looking to have your mind changed.....    :whistle:

You're (as usual) totally missing the point.  If he wants the votes of those he insulted and disgusted during the primaries, he has to try to change their minds.  All you're doing is further convincing us that you consider our votes unneeded.  So guess what?  You're not going to get them
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #69 on: August 24, 2016, 12:14:31 am »
Quote from: DCPatriot on August 23, 2016, 01:22:05 pm
When the aforementioned (pick a name....he's got several) posts what he did....he means THIS forum.

I will not allow blatant lies about TBR Trump Supporters to go unchallenged.

Yet you promulgate such lies against us who refuse to support your anointed.  Yeah, you've got lots of credibility.
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #70 on: August 24, 2016, 12:15:27 am »
Quote from: Doug Loss on August 24, 2016, 12:11:47 am
You're (as usual) totally missing the point.  If he wants the votes of those he insulted and disgusted during the primaries, he has to try to change their minds.  All you're doing is further convincing us that you consider our votes unneeded.  So guess what?  You're not going to get them

Well said.  :beer:


 Far more diplomatic than I care to be with this poster. I admire your patience. 
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #71 on: August 24, 2016, 03:21:38 am »
Quote from: DCPatriot on August 23, 2016, 10:57:09 am
An honest question.....what should he do to "influence people and change minds"....

Just making sure I understand your question.   Are you asking what Trump should do to influence me to become the liberal that he is?  Or are you asking what Trump should do to influence me to accept the lie that he is a Conservative?
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Re: Is Donald Trump More Conservative Than Conservatives?
« Reply #72 on: August 24, 2016, 03:54:11 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on August 24, 2016, 03:21:38 am
Just making sure I understand your question.   Are you asking what Trump should do to influence me to become the liberal that he is?  Or are you asking what Trump should do to influence me to accept the lie that he is a Conservative?

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