The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins

[catfish1957]

Therefore ... What?


Therefore I can't in good conscience vote for him.  He has poisoned the well with is lying and name calling and attacks on good conservatives.  He sided with the GOPe against the TeaParty and conservatives.  When he had the opportunity to mend fences, he doubled down and added insult to injury.  He says he does not need conservatives and we know that the GOPe does not like conservatives.  Fine, go ahead and win without us.  I am going to go and build a place where conservatives  are wanted, their ideas and ideals are respected.

The new "home" that I found is with the Constitution Party.  Gone is the will to work within the GOP to try and change the party.  I soldiered for over 20 years in the GOP, manning phone banks, and even serving as a Precinct Captain.  No longer. The GOP is part of the problem.  Good bye and good riddance.

Well put, same sentiments here.  I held my nose as a conservative in '08 & '12, and pulled the lever for weak candidates who did not value conservative voters.

Here in 2016, we have a wolf in sheep's clothing who has duped the GOP via Jedi Mind Tricks into thinking he has the Party of Reagan's best interest at Heart.

Most telling is that historically GOP POTUS candidates pull 89-94% of the base.  Trump is stuck at 80%.  When someone gives conservatives the finger like Trump has.......   Don't come groveling for our votes.

[geronl]

No cowardice is involved in not voting for the immoral man

[Jazzhead]

Dude, I voted in California, not Pennsylvania. It was settled by California June 7th.

You should more appropriately focus your disdain on your fellow Pennsylvanian Republican primary voters, who gave the win to Trump with 56.7% versus runner up Cruz, with just 21.6%. Trump won every Penn county, by the way.

You and "folks like you" failed. Failed to sell your candidates in YOUR STATE on April 16th when the national race was not settled.

I decided early on that Trump was the only candidate showing enough metabolism and fight, to defeat a democrat this time. I still do.

So keep on defending your support for Hillary, your oft stated intention or willingness to vote for her. "Folks like you" fall into a category on this site, as phony "conservatives" because you take the liberal side of most topics.

Your moderate GOP Establishment is so inept, it got started with 17 candidates, and it was downhill from there. Let me know when you have a plan for ANYTHING, which brings about better border security, better immigration screening, etc.

Keep right on talking down to Trump supporters. But realize this: You cannot win anything, anywhere without them.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/pennsylvania

I'm perfectly comfortable with my conservative credentials, TS.   Now my brand of conservatism derives from Goldwater, Reagan and Kemp,  and I'll be the first to admit my kind's a dying breed.   But I'm not a racialist anti-immigrant xenophobe like Trump and his alt-right supporters,  and I will continue to fight the hostile takeover of my party by that breed. 
 

[Night Hides Not]

"YOU" in a general sense... as a group.  And I did not say YOU specifically said my vote wasn't important or needed.  What you specifically DID do however, was to impugn those who have doubts about Trump, his ability to lead, his ever-shifting policy positions, his intentions to win and his ability to win.

Put me on ignore?  Hey, go for it.  Great tool there, no?

Sorry to go O/T, but I REALLY wish my wife would put me on ignore for the next few weeks. School starts next week, band practice and other band activities have drained nearly every minute of free time for the past two weeks, and it's now DEFCON 3 in the house. Every slight, real or imagined, has us walking on eggshells.   

I finally had to deliver the message in no uncertain terms to my 14 YO son last night: I love both my wife and my son, but I will stand behind his mother, even when she is wrong. He needs to appreciate the simple fact that both of his parents would take a bullet for him, anytime and without question.

Perhaps becoming a dad again at 48 wasn't such a fantastic idea, after all.

 

Of course, I'm j/k.

[catfish1957]

I'm perfectly comfortable with my conservative credentials, TS.   Now my brand of conservatism derives from Goldwater, Reagan and Kemp,  and I'll be the first to admit my kind's a dying breed.   But I'm not a racialist anti-immigrant xenophobe like Trump and his alt-right supporters,  and I will continue to fight the hostile takeover of my party by that breed.

Sadly, my most concerning issue is the $17T debt debacle that our government got us into.  Fiscal conservatism is 95% of my voting psyche.

Neither candidate thinks it matters by the rhetoric on expanding government.

[HonestJohn]

Enjoy the liberal Supreme Court appointed by Obama=Clinton.

Enjoy diminishing respect in the world, and continued civil disorder under Obama=Clinton.

Is that how you'd have voted in the 1932... in Europe.

[RoosGirl]

they demand a rules change after the game is over, and refuse to accept the results.

What in the world?  I wasn't aware the rules required we vote for who they tell us to.

[Cripplecreek]

Is that how you'd have voted in the 1932... in Europe.

Don't blame me, I voted for Hindenberg.

[wolfcreek]

I won't enjoy any of that, not one bit.  But I'm still going to do the right thing.   

This is the choice folks like you have given us, TS.  I don't like it;  I fought the good fight to prevent it, in large part because I know Clinton's every bit as corrupt and despicable as you say she is.

 But, as of right now, she's the only one left with the means to defeat Trump.   

Let's hope YOUR "right thing" doesn't screw everyone.

[INVAR]

I'm going to continue to post my opinion, and I don't care if you like it. Ignore me if you want.

Obviously 'your opinion' is just as empty and vapid as Trump's *suggestions* are, moment to moment.

YOU SAID - Trump won Evangelicals, the South and rural areas that make up the 'base'.

I reminded you that your prince and his acolytes repeatedly told those of us opposed to him, that he would win without us principled Conservatives - he did not need us to "win", nor did he want our vote.

So I will ask again, why bother attempting to shame us into supporting someone who is anathema to our very foundational principles given the fact you asserted (again) that Trump has sewn up the base and does not need us?

Are you attempting to convince, or just instigate?

[aligncare]

Dude, I voted in California, not Pennsylvania. It was settled by California June 7th.

You should more appropriately focus your disdain on your fellow Pennsylvanian Republican primary voters, who gave the win to Trump with 56.7% versus runner up Cruz, with just 21.6%. Trump won every Penn county, by the way.

You and "folks like you" failed. Failed to sell your candidates in YOUR STATE on April 16th when the national race was not settled.

I decided early on that Trump was the only candidate showing enough metabolism and fight, to defeat a democrat this time. I still do.

So keep on defending your support for Hillary, your oft stated intention or willingness to vote for her. "Folks like you" fall into a category on this site, as phony "conservatives" because you take the liberal side of most topics.

Your moderate GOP Establishment is so inept, it got started with 17 candidates, and it was downhill from there. Let me know when you have a plan for ANYTHING, which brings about better border security, better immigration screening, etc.

Keep right on talking down to Trump supporters. But realize this: You cannot win anything, anywhere without them.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/pennsylvania

That's pretty much how I see it, truth seeker. I've heard jazz head in the past say that he would even vote for Hillary to avoid voting for Trump.

I guess Trump must be the worst candidate in history according to NEVERS!

[wolfcreek]

I wish liberals set the bar as high for their candidate as the folks here. Unfortunately, they will line up rank and file behind their corrupt candidate, and I'm worried that's who we'll be stuck with.

I'm glad the self-righteous anti-Trumpers are so well off that they can endure another 4 years of Obamacare. I can't. Not to mention if Hillary gets her way, we'll have amnesty for illegals, which will heavily tilt the political landscape towards the Dems. Ted Cruz won't have a chance in hell in 2020.

Expect to get a bunch of "oh well, you picked a horrible candidate" and other assorted horse manure to cover their asses.

[truth_seeker]

Is that how you'd have voted in the 1932... in Europe.

You are an easy pushover. No wonder college took 20 years.

My father and my father-in-law earned Purple Hearts in service during WWII.

I wasn't in Europe. My ancestors have served in EVERY conflict since before the American Revolution. I served when called. When I served in Germany, I was appointed to chair a study group, on race relations. My superiors valued my maturity and insight, even as e 22 year old enlisted soldier.

My wife is the daughter and granddaughter, of a legal immigrants. Legal as in LEGAL. Several in our extended families are intermarried with Hispanics, Asians, a black, etc.

Your service and credentials, in behalf of this country?

Your idiotic but continual calls of racism only paint you as an sore loser. But I can see here, day in and day out, it is the sole concept you post about.

 

[Jazzhead]

Sadly, my most concerning issue is the $17T debt debacle that our government got us into.  Fiscal conservatism is 95% of my voting psyche.

Neither candidate thinks it matters by the rhetoric on expanding government.

Unfortunately,  there are few Republicans of any stripe anymore who are willing to be budget hawks.   That's the kind of old-school conservatism that isn't in style anymore.   The only candidate this year who had a track record as a budget hawk was John Kasich, and I'm proud to say I supported him.   

[Jazzhead]

That's pretty much how I see it, truth seeker. I've heard jazz head in the past say that he would even vote for Hillary to avoid voting for Trump.

I see you're still pushing that old slander, AC.  Listen up - I supported John Kasich, in large part because he was the most likely candidate to defeat Clinton,  and create the conditions to effect conservative change.   You, on the other hand, stubbornly have supported the one candidate almost certain to not only lose, but hand the whole damn federal government over to the Dems.

You reap what you sow, AC.   Stop whining over those of us who won't drink the Kool-Aid.   

[HonestJohn]

You are an easy pushover. No wonder college took 20 years.

My father and my father-in-law earned Purple Hearts in service during WWII.

I wasn't in Europe. My ancestors have served in EVERY conflict since before the American Revolution. I served when called. When I served in Germany, I was appointed to chair a study group, on race relations. My superiors valued my maturity and insight, even as e 22 year old enlisted soldier.

My wife is the daughter and granddaughter, of a legal immigrants. Legal as in LEGAL. Several in our extended families are intermarried with Hispanics, Asians, a black, etc.

Your service and credentials, in behalf of this country?

Your idiotic but continual calls of racism only paint you as an sore loser. But I can see here, day in and day out, it is the sole concept you post about.

I notice you didn't actually answer the question.  Nice deflection, though.

[RoosGirl]

You are an easy pushover. No wonder college took 20 years.

My father and my father-in-law earned Purple Hearts in service during WWII.

I wasn't in Europe. My ancestors have served in EVERY conflict since before the American Revolution. I served when called. When I served in Germany, I was appointed to chair a study group, on race relations. My superiors valued my maturity and insight, even as e 22 year old enlisted soldier.

My wife is the daughter and granddaughter, of a legal immigrants. Legal as in LEGAL. Several in our extended families are intermarried with Hispanics, Asians, a black, etc.

Your service and credentials, in behalf of this country?

Your idiotic but continual calls of racism only paint you as an sore loser. But I can see here, day in and day out, it is the sole concept you post about.

Wow, those are some righteous creds you've got.  I can see now why your opinion of who everyone should vote for is more legitimate than everyone else's. :P

[INVAR]

Expect to get a bunch of "oh well, you picked a horrible candidate" and other assorted horse manure to cover their asses.

 'Cover our asses'????

NeverTrumps are very proud, very open and very vocal about our opposition to your prince.  We have no need to cover up our choice to oppose your nominee - because we have no part or portion in the Trojan Stalking Horse you hitched your wagon to.  He is all yours.

The only folks 'covering their asses' are those of you re-explaining everything Trump says and playing Apologists for that turd prince of yours.

[Wingnut]

Don't blame me, I voted for Hindenberg.

Zeppelin for me. Not my fault either.

[wolfcreek]

 'Cover our asses'????

NeverTrumps are very proud, very open and very vocal about our opposition to your prince.  We have no need to cover up our choice to oppose your nominee - because we have no part or portion in the Trojan Stalking Horse you hitched your wagon to.  He is all yours.

The only folks 'covering their asses' are those of you re-explaining everything Trump says and playing Apologists for that turd prince of yours.

Would you please stop it with the royalty references. It's starting to sound awfully gay. 'specially when you add "turd".

[Idaho_Cowboy]

You are an easy pushover. No wonder college took 20 years.

My father and my father-in-law earned Purple Hearts in service during WWII.

I wasn't in Europe. My ancestors have served in EVERY conflict since before the American Revolution. I served when called. When I served in Germany, I was appointed to chair a study group, on race relations. My superiors valued my maturity and insight, even as e 22 year old enlisted soldier.

My wife is the daughter and granddaughter, of a legal immigrants. Legal as in LEGAL. Several in our extended families are intermarried with Hispanics, Asians, a black, etc.

Your service and credentials, in behalf of this country?

Your idiotic but continual calls of racism only paint you as an sore loser. But I can see here, day in and day out, it is the sole concept you post about.

Some of my ancestors were here before you white illegal immigrants showed up. Just saying...

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Wow, those are some righteous creds you've got.  I can see now why your opinion of who everyone should vote for is more legitimate than everyone else's. :P

Variation on the old I'm not racist, why some of my best friends are x.

Which brings me to the Trumpslaining word of the day

Smokescreen - an action intended to conceal or confuse or obscure;

[Night Hides Not]

Zeppelin for me. Not my fault either.

I'm a big fan of Zeppelin, Strange Fruit, and Steel Dragon.

[truth_seeker]

Some of my ancestors were here before you white illegal immigrants showed up. Just saying...

What makes you think that I do not have native American ancestry, too ??

[musiclady]

What makes you think that I do not have native American ancestry, too ??

Well, I don't have anything but Swedish in me, and that doesn't mean I have any less American credentials than you do.

The idea that you have more authority here in this country because of your pedigree belies everything this country stands for.

Your braggadocio reveals your lack of understanding of what this country was founded on.