#NeverTrump vs. #NeverHillary: A Time For Hugging

[LadyLiberty]

Kurt  Schlichter Kurt Schlichter |Posted: Aug 15, 2016 12:01 AM

Here’s the thing – a slight majority of my friends in the conservative sphere are #NeverTrump and disagree with my reluctant conclusion that voting for Trump is slightly less devastating to America than abstaining in light of Felonia Milhous von Pantsuit’s looming regime. And I intend to remain friends with them. Our enemies would love to divide us forever, and I refuse to let that happen. If it does, it will be someone else’s choice. If all of us refuse to be permanently torn asunder, if all of us refuse to choose to let our strategic and tactical disagreements drive a wedge between us, then we won’t be torn apart. And when the smoke clears in November, however it goes, we can fight on together.

Now, I spend a tiny bit of time on Twitter, and it can get intense. People disagree about the proper reaction to the The Donald. Some board the Trump Train, and others want to blow up the tracks and derail it. I think of myself as embracing the least-worst option, pumping on a hand car behind the caboose, occasionally weeping. 

Let me be the first to admit that it boggles my mind when people don’t see how clearly, unequivocally, and completely correct my position is. Yet, the people who have come to a different conclusion also suffer mind boggling when people don’t see how clearly, unequivocally, and completely correct they are. It’s almost like people of good faith can look at the same evidence and come to different conclusions.

But it’s pretty important that we all work to make sure good faith disagreements remain a thing. Now, here are some suggestions on how to be constructive with other conservatives who see things differently.

Realize You Don’t Have The Moral High Ground: I’m doing what I think is morally right and so are you. And I don’t need lectured about how I’m not meeting your exacting standards and I’m pretty certain you won’t welcome me lecturing you. Plus, if you’ve suddenly decided that you’re vastly more moral than everyone else you’ve been fighting for conservatism alongside for the better part of a decade, then you should also concede that your moral sense is somewhat defective since you only recently noticed that everyone else is terrible.

More here:  http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2016/08/15/nevertump-vs-neverhillary-a-time-for-hugging-n2204582

[JustPassinThru]

So.  Against our votes and our counsel, and by gaming the primaries with a stalking horse; and while threatening violence if y'all didn't get your way...you got your way.

You have your hero.  Own it; own him.

He's inspiring exactly nobody.  The only discussion at all of issues comes off his webside - and one wonders if he's even READ his website, much less contributed to the position pages.  He's rejected conservatives; he's slandered the man we favor - slandered and accused his aged FATHER, no less, of a heinous crime.  The charge is ridiculous; but he made it and still repeats it with a straight face.

He's said he doesn't want Cruz' support or our votes.  He's pandering to the socialist Bern-Knee voters.  He's promising, not to control the outrages, but MOAR.  More Free.  More Porkulus.  More government edict over minimum-wage.  More Ethanol.

This while he has paid liars smearing anyone who does less than kiss the ring.

Conservatives are wondering WHY this guy would be so much better than Ms Parkinsons Pantsuit Pantload.  To quote our probable next President, what difference does it make at this point?  Bad is bad.  There is bad, really bad, horrific; and then it just stops mattering.

That's where we're at now.  Horrific or horrific-er.  Liar versus liar.  Crony versus bagman-crony.  Unearned-money millionaire versus unearned-money millionaire.

You trumpies go ahead and order people to vote for your god the Donald.  Let us know how it works.   :blank:

[Blizzardnh]

Nice job needs to be read.

[INVAR]

I don't care that people will vote for Trump.

I was more than fine with it until I got death threats from the rabid Trump militant, got run out of 4 forums and 3 social groups and was called a traitor who will be 'dealt with' when Trump exacts vengeance on the 'enemies of America'.

They of themselves made me neverTrump, and they of themselves blew up the bridge of commonality we once shared and burned the rubble to ashes. 

We no longer have anything in common and reconciliation with those who have declared us to be enemies, is not an option.

We are already torn asunder and we have arrived at the place we were warned about in advance, and the hatred and scorn is part and parcel of what is to be expected from everyone who now shares a common hatred of anyone who stands up for what is not populist/nationalist/Socialist/Big Government Marxism.

[Cripplecreek]

I don't care that people will vote for Trump.

I was more than fine with it until I got death threats from the rabid Trump militant, got run out of 4 forums and 3 social groups and was called a traitor who will be 'dealt with' when Trump exacts vengeance on the 'enemies of America'.

They of themselves made me neverTrump, and they of themselves blew up the bridge of commonality we once shared and burned the rubble to ashes. 

We no longer have anything in common and reconciliation with those who have declared us to be enemies, is not an option.

We are already torn asunder and we have arrived at the place we were warned about in advance, and the hatred and scorn is part and parcel of what is to be expected from everyone who now shares a common hatred of anyone who stands up for what is not populist/nationalist/Socialist/Big Government Marxism.

Yup. Never Trump and Never again.

[LadyLiberty]

@INVAR  @JustPassinThru  This editorial is not talking about the kind of Trump supporter that you describe.  Their actions can't be justified.  They've drunk the koolaid and can't be reasoned with, they think Trump will fix everything a la the Obama voter that believed in "hope and change."  And they're mean, angry, and nasty.

The Trump supporter that he's talking about don't like Trump but are only voting Trump because they are #NeverHillary.  The writer isn't on the "Trump Train" but describes himself thus:  "I think of myself as embracing the least-worst option, pumping on a hand car behind the caboose, occasionally weeping."

As for me, I haven't decided exactly what I'll be doing at the top of the ticket, but I know who won't get my vote: #NeverHillary AND #NeverTrump.

[INVAR]

@INVAR  @JustPassinThru  This editorial is not talking about the kind of Trump supporter that you describe.  Their actions can't be justified.  They've drunk the koolaid and can't be reasoned with, they think Trump will fix everything a la the Obama voter that believed in "hope and change."  And they're mean, angry, and nasty.

The Trump supporter that he's talking about don't like Trump but are only voting Trump because they are #NeverHillary.  The writer isn't on the "Trump Train" but describes himself thus:  "I think of myself as embracing the least-worst option, pumping on a hand car behind the caboose, occasionally weeping."

As for me, I haven't decided exactly what I'll be doing at the top of the ticket, but I know who won't get my vote: #NeverHillary AND #NeverTrump.

I have not encountered too many of those folks who are voting for Trump simply because they are more afraid and angry about Hillary than Trump, and are not attempting to shame everyone else into doing the same. The cult of personality and near-religious zealots that typify the proselytizes for Trump are the bunch I most often encounter.

[Cripplecreek]

I have not encountered too many of those folks who are voting for Trump simply because they are more afraid and angry about Hillary than Trump, and are not attempting to shame everyone else into doing the same. The cult of personality and near-religious zealots that typify the proselytizes for Trump are the bunch I most often encounter.

In Schlichter's case he talked tough about what a scumbag Trump was then bent over and spread'em wide.

I used to follow him on twitter till his conversion.

[EasyAce]

As for me, I haven't decided exactly what I'll be doing at the top of the ticket, but I know who won't get my vote: #NeverHillary AND #NeverTrump.

So far as I know, I live in the only state where "None of These Candidates" is a ballot option for presidential
candidates. All things considered, it's the only vote I can cast in November without wanting to throw up.

[geronl]

#NeverTrump and #NeverHillary are not mutually exclusive, it is very possible to oppose both NY liberals on moral grounds

[Oceander]

#NeverTrump and #NeverHillary are not mutually exclusive, it is very possible to oppose both NY liberals on moral grounds

[musiclady]

#NeverTrump and #NeverHillary are not mutually exclusive, it is very possible to oppose both NY liberals on moral grounds

This.

[LadyLiberty]

#NeverTrump and #NeverHillary are not mutually exclusive, it is very possible to oppose both NY liberals on moral grounds

Which I do.

[JustPassinThru]

So far as I know, I live in the only state where "None of These Candidates" is a ballot option for presidential
candidates. All things considered, it's the only vote I can cast in November without wanting to throw up.

There's that option in every state.  You just gotta know how to use it.

SKIP the PRESIDENT line on the ballot.  Or, if you're afraid of Hanging Chad or other DemocRat hijinx, vote for a write-in.  Write in your garbageman.  Write in yourself.  It amounts to the same thing - you don't vote for either.

This is probably the only election in my lifetime I'd recommend that.  Probably the last time...may be the last election that has a choice, instead of one candidate given down by The Party.  I don't think we have much of a future, and that's true if Billary wins or if her sponsor and donor wins.

[geronl]

There's that option in every state.  You just gotta know how to use it.

SKIP the PRESIDENT line on the ballot.  Or, if you're afraid of Hanging Chad or other DemocRat hijinx, vote for a write-in.  Write in your garbageman.  Write in yourself.  It amounts to the same thing - you don't vote for either.

Only registered write-in's are allowed in some states, anything else gets discarded. In some places it might spoil your entire ballot.

[Smokin Joe]

Kurt  Schlichter Kurt Schlichter |Posted: Aug 15, 2016 12:01 AM

Here’s the thing – a slight majority of my friends in the conservative sphere are #NeverTrump and disagree with my reluctant conclusion that voting for Trump is slightly less devastating to America than abstaining in light of Felonia Milhous von Pantsuit’s looming regime. <snip>

Now, I spend a tiny bit of time on Twitter, and it can get intense. People disagree about the proper reaction to the The Donald. Some board the Trump Train, and others want to blow up the tracks and derail it. I think of myself as embracing the least-worst option, pumping on a hand car behind the caboose, occasionally weeping.
 <snip>

Now, here are some suggestions on how to be constructive with other conservatives who see things differently.

Realize You Don’t Have The Moral High Ground: I’m doing what I think is morally right and so are you.
<snip>

And that's where I started laughing, friends and neighbors, right when he said he thinks it is morally right to go to Hell in a handcart, pumping to keep up....weeping or not.

[Smokin Joe]

I have not encountered too many of those folks who are voting for Trump simply because they are more afraid and angry about Hillary than Trump, and are not attempting to shame everyone else into doing the same. The cult of personality and near-religious zealots that typify the proselytizes for Trump are the bunch I most often encounter.

We have a couple around here, on this site. Reasoned, and with their particular reasons for voting the way they say they will. Nothing so shrill as the Trump supporters to be found on other sites, and I doubt they would threaten you personally. The spectrum goes form there, but that endpoint exists.

While the majority of people I have encountered who are for Trump in the 'meat world' definitely have a fire in their bellies, I can shift the topic to discussing Hillary and we can find common ground in contempt for her. I leave it at that rather than risk building enmity in a small community unnecessarily. But I will have noted who they supported and why, and will remember them.

[kartographer]

We have a couple around here, on this site. Reasoned, and with their particular reasons for voting the way they say they will. Nothing so shrill as the Trump supporters to be found on other sites, and I doubt they would threaten you personally. The spectrum goes form there, but that endpoint exists.

While the majority of people I have encountered who are for Trump in the 'meat world' definitely have a fire in their bellies, I can shift the topic to discussing Hillary and we can find common ground in contempt for her. I leave it at that rather than risk building enmity in a small community unnecessarily. But I will have noted who they supported and why, and will remember them.

I posted the other day that a good number of Trumsters want revenge and that I deem that threat to be a real one and was told by a certain prominent Trump backer that I was going over board. Now I agree that there is plenty of totally uncalled for name calling and personal attacks coming from both sides, but it is almost exclusively Trump backers that talk of revenge and getting even and violence.

Any candidate with that sort of supporters I would oppose no matter what even if they were a great candidate! Bow to such once and it will never end. SEE MY TAG LINE!

[Cripplecreek]

I posted the other day that a good number of Trumsters want revenge and that I deem that threat to be a real one and was told by a certain prominent Trump backer that I was going over board. Now I agree that there is plenty of name totally uncalled for name calling and personal attacks coming from both sides, but it is almost exclusively Trump backers that talk of revenge and getting even and violence.

Any candidate with that sort of supporters I would oppose no matter what even if they were a great candidate! Bow to such once and it will never end. SEE MY TAG LINE!

Some want complete and utter fealty to Orange Glorious.

Its not happening.

[JustPassinThru]

Only registered write-in's are allowed in some states, anything else gets discarded. In some places it might spoil your entire ballot.

True enough, about the first.  That's why in those areas, these weakly-amusing Third Party candidates are important.  That's the NONE OF THE ABOVE vote, right there.

As to discarding the entire ballot for a write-in, I cannot imagine where that is lawful.  Not saying it doesn't happen; but in lawless counties whole precincts of ballots are destroyed or ignored or erased electronically anyway.

[Smokin Joe]

I posted the other day that a good number of Trumsters want revenge and that I deem that threat to be a real one and was told by a certain prominent Trump backer that I was going over board. Now I agree that there is plenty of totally uncalled for name calling and personal attacks coming from both sides, but it is almost exclusively Trump backers that talk of revenge and getting even and violence.

Any candidate with that sort of supporters I would oppose no matter what even if they were a great candidate! Bow to such once and it will never end. SEE MY TAG LINE!

Interesting you should point that out. From the start, the people Trump has appealed to first, fastest, and hardest, have been angry people. Angry about Obamacare, illegal immigration, bringing potential terrorists to the US, Benghazi and the multitude of Hillarycrimes going untouched, the economy, etc., etc. Lots of reasons to be angry with the Congress and the freshmen who were proven to be lying about their TEA party policy, just to get elected.

That anger was corralled, harnessed, and then conveniently (mis)directed using social and other media at the most conservative candidate, who was a real threat to the Trump Campaign. That adversarial relationship became animosity with the lies and hyperbole and that stirred the anger to fever pitch.

Under it all, though, is the driving force, the anger. In some cases, that will get out of hand, but the whole 'paybacks' and vengeance thing is a bit overboard and reeks of the ramblings of Valerie Jarrett.
I wonder how much of that is internet trolling and paid agitation versus people just getting caught up in a mob mentality. At this point, though, all bets are off.  Angry people do stupid things.