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Re: Armed with junk science and old photos, critics question #HillarysHealth
« Reply #100 on: August 11, 2016, 08:08:49 pm »
Trump is the one endorsing this Congress, not me. Trump made McConnell King of the Convention and endorsed Ryan, McCain and the Queen of the Libs, Ayotte

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Re: Armed with junk science and old photos, critics question #HillarysHealth
« Reply #101 on: August 11, 2016, 10:06:14 pm »
People who used to be hardcore conservatives are now going out of their way to promote liberal ideas like higher minimum wage, taxes, support of planned parenthood, and restrictions on the 2nd amendment. If we go through 8 years of this the core of not just the party but the conservative movement will probably shift left considerably.

I don't believe anyone on the right is going out of their way to promote planned parenthood or restrictions on 2A, so you'd have to be more specific about who you're talking about.

Increases in minimum wage practiced at the state level is an easy trade off for removal of Obamacare.

Of the four possible choices Trump is the best on those three issues. What else you got?

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Re: Armed with junk science and old photos, critics question #HillarysHealth
« Reply #102 on: August 11, 2016, 10:13:29 pm »
I don't believe anyone on the right is going out of their way to promote planned parenthood or restrictions on 2A, so you'd have to be more specific about who you're talking about.

Increases in minimum wage practiced at the state level is an easy trade off for removal of Obamacare.

Of the four possible choices Trump is the best on those three issues. What else you got?

Supporting Planned Parenthood and restrictions on gun rights doesn't make Trump "best" at anything.

He opposes every value a Conservative has.

Some of us can't live with the fact that voting for him would mean we also supported those things......
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Re: Armed with junk science and old photos, critics question #HillarysHealth
« Reply #103 on: August 11, 2016, 11:45:50 pm »
I don't believe anyone on the right is going out of their way to promote planned parenthood or restrictions on 2A, so you'd have to be more specific about who you're talking about.

Increases in minimum wage practiced at the state level is an easy trade off for removal of Obamacare.

Of the four possible choices Trump is the best on those three issues. What else you got?
Sans abortion, PPH has helped a lot of women and families. That fact is often overlooked by many.
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Re: Armed with junk science and old photos, critics question #HillarysHealth
« Reply #104 on: August 11, 2016, 11:50:32 pm »
Sans abortion, PPH has helped a lot of women and families. That fact is often overlooked by many.
The real fact overlooked by many is how many people Stalin put back to work in the Uranium mines in Siberia.

Can you provide proof of any of this good you claim?
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Re: Armed with junk science and old photos, critics question #HillarysHealth
« Reply #105 on: August 11, 2016, 11:51:14 pm »
Sans abortion, PPH has helped a lot of women and families. That fact is often overlooked by many.
That's like saying aside from the hideous deaths, the information gleaned from Teutonic Medical Research in the first half of the 1940s did a lot of good...you have to step over millions of corpses to get there.
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Re: Armed with junk science and old photos, critics question #HillarysHealth
« Reply #106 on: August 12, 2016, 01:27:15 pm »
The real fact overlooked by many is how many people Stalin put back to work in the Uranium mines in Siberia.

Can you provide proof of any of this good you claim?
 

My Wife used then when she was poor. That good enough for you , Cowboy?

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« Reply #107 on: August 12, 2016, 03:25:52 pm »
 

My Wife used then when she was poor. That good enough for you , Cowboy?
Millions of dead babies say no, it's not my call to make here wolf. I'm not going to judge your wife for going there, and I would be remiss not to say that I think it is our responsibility (through charity) to provide places that give true help for women in need. I cannot condone an institution that was founded to commit genocide. Do a little digging into the writings of Margret Sanger.

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Re: Armed with junk science and old photos, critics question #HillarysHealth
« Reply #108 on: August 12, 2016, 03:46:53 pm »
Millions of dead babies say no, it's not my call to make here wolf. I'm not going to judge your wife for going there, and I would be remiss not to say that I think it is our responsibility (through charity) to provide places that give true help for women in need. I cannot condone an institution that was founded to commit genocide. Do a little digging into the writings of Margret Sanger.

A thorough study of Margaret Sanger, the Progressive movement as regards Eugenics, the origin of Planned Parenthood, the plans for genocide............ALL of those things should be required of anyone who supports Planned Parenthood in any manner.

It is the most evil institution in the country and its goals entirely dark.
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Re: Armed with junk science and old photos, critics question #HillarysHealth
« Reply #109 on: August 12, 2016, 05:51:51 pm »
Millions of dead babies say no, it's not my call to make here wolf. I'm not going to judge your wife for going there, and I would be remiss not to say that I think it is our responsibility (through charity) to provide places that give true help for women in need. I cannot condone an institution that was founded to commit genocide. Do a little digging into the writings of Margret Sanger.

I'm totally familiar with Sanger and the original purpose of PPH. They don't just do abortions they actually help with pregnancy education along women's and men's health. etc.

Do I think we should federally fund them?...only if they quite doing abortions.

Do I think they promote promiscuous behavior? ...probably but, people are gonna have sex.

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« Reply #110 on: August 13, 2016, 03:26:01 am »
I'm totally familiar with Sanger and the original purpose of PPH. They don't just do abortions they actually help with pregnancy education along women's and men's health. etc.

Do I think we should federally fund them?...only if they quite doing abortions.

Do I think they promote promiscuous behavior? ...probably but, people are gonna have sex.

And was that your view on PP before Trump came along and said it?  Or did he get his liberal idea from you? 

I swear, the effort to defend him is mind boggling.

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« Reply #111 on: August 13, 2016, 03:51:59 am »
I'm totally familiar with Sanger and the original purpose of PPH. They don't just do abortions they actually help with pregnancy education along women's and men's health. etc.

Do I think we should federally fund them?...only if they quite doing abortions.

Do I think they promote promiscuous behavior? ...probably but, people are gonna have sex.
You left out selling baby parts...
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Re: Armed with junk science and old photos, critics question #HillarysHealth
« Reply #112 on: August 13, 2016, 03:56:16 am »
You left out selling baby parts...

You silly conservative.  Don't you know that stuff doesn't matter now?  We are supposed to sell or souls to the devil just to keep the devil out of the White House.

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« Reply #113 on: August 13, 2016, 03:57:49 am »
I have no doubt she has a lot of health problems. She might even have the mange.

Trying to make this an issue does not help Trump, though.

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« Reply #114 on: August 13, 2016, 01:27:53 pm »
You silly conservative.  Don't you know that stuff doesn't matter now?  We are supposed to sell or souls to the devil just to keep the devil out of the White House.

That is as concisely stated as anything I've read describing what these Trump missionaries are trying to get us to do.

Pretend that the most evil, murderous institution in the world "helps" women and ignore their hideous murdering of millions of innocent human beings, just to defend their leftist idol.......

It's breath taking, isn't it?   Wow.

They just can't understand that some of us have souls that aren't for sale.

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Re: Armed with junk science and old photos, critics question #HillarysHealth
« Reply #115 on: August 13, 2016, 07:22:12 pm »
Disagreeing with their opinion isn't disrespectful. That's a Leftist concept.
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« Reply #116 on: August 14, 2016, 02:36:51 pm »
And was that your view on PP before Trump came along and said it?  Or did he get his liberal idea from you? 

I swear, the effort to defend him is mind boggling.

I have come to realize over the years that some of us can't afford fancy specialist for our health needs. I reiterate...they do provide health services for those who can't afford them otherwise

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« Reply #117 on: August 14, 2016, 02:40:05 pm »
You left out selling baby parts...

Sorry, I was having this same discussion on another forum. They, from what I see, have sold body parts but, there's no conclusive evidence at this point. [they haven't be convicted of such]

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Re: Armed with junk science and old photos, critics question #HillarysHealth
« Reply #118 on: August 14, 2016, 02:59:50 pm »
I have come to realize over the years that some of us can't afford fancy specialist for our health needs. I reiterate...they do provide health services for those who can't afford them otherwise

There are lots of non-PP, non-abortion clinics, and there would be more, if not for the funding going to PP.  Supporting PP hurts women's health, not just on the abortion issue.
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Re: Armed with junk science and old photos, critics question #HillarysHealth
« Reply #119 on: August 14, 2016, 03:18:01 pm »
"We have a raging garbage fire as a Republican Nominee and some on our side think they're going to bring Hillary down with phony stories."

I'm not a Trump supporter, but it's not as if the other side hasn't been trying to bring down Trump with "phony stories" and false allegations.  Trump never made fun of a journalist's handicap and the evidence for his being a "racist" is very thin.  The Second Amendment comment was utterly ambiguous and deliberately interpreted in the worst possible manner. 

As for Hillary Clinton's health, does anyone believe that if Trump "slipped" and was supported by aides, if he repeatedly had coughing fits while giving speeches, that the media would not slyly try to raise issues about his health?  (Remember how they did that regarding McCain?)  And it's not as if a photo taken last February is ancient history - it was taken well within the current campaign. 

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« Reply #120 on: August 14, 2016, 03:19:24 pm »
There are lots of non-PP, non-abortion clinics, and there would be more, if not for the funding going to PP.  Supporting PP hurts women's health, not just on the abortion issue.

Absolutely!!!  Planned Parenthood, abortion mill, has stolen money from other clinics because of its powerful leftist lobbyists.

And in spite of that, there are STILL clinics available.......... many of them........... that provide real health care without slaughtering human beings.

The idea that women need PP and that they provide "health care" is an ugly leftist lie.
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Re: Armed with junk science and old photos, critics question #HillarysHealth
« Reply #121 on: August 14, 2016, 06:46:58 pm »
Sorry, I was having this same discussion on another forum. They, from what I see, have sold body parts but, there's no conclusive evidence at this point. [they haven't be convicted of such]
By your logic, Hillary isn't a crook, either. Even though having classified files on her private server is prima facie evidence of a crime, she has avoided prosecution. Maybe the images of the person tasked thus in a career compromising situation were what swayed the prosecutor, but for whatever unfathomable reason she is not referred to consistently as "the defendant" instead of "the candidate".

Similarly, there is plenty of evidence against PP. That the prosecutor has a cranio-rectal insertion problem does not mean they (PP) haven't sold baby parts. In a twist of prosecutorial logic, the prosecution went after the people who recorded the video proving, prima facie, that PP was selling baby parts.
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« Reply #122 on: August 14, 2016, 07:03:49 pm »
I'm not a Trump supporter, but it's not as if the other side hasn't been trying to bring down Trump with "phony stories" and false allegations.  Trump never made fun of a journalist's handicap and the evidence for his being a "racist" is very thin.  The Second Amendment comment was utterly ambiguous and deliberately interpreted in the worst possible manner. 

As for Hillary Clinton's health, does anyone believe that if Trump "slipped" and was supported by aides, if he repeatedly had coughing fits while giving speeches, that the media would not slyly try to raise issues about his health?  (Remember how they did that regarding McCain?)  And it's not as if a photo taken last February is ancient history - it was taken well within the current campaign.

http://www.reuters.com/video/2015/11/26/trump-makes-fun-of-reporter-with-disabil?videoId=366470122 The reporter he is referring to has a neuromuscular disease.
Is the spastic handwaving typical of Trump's gestures? Maybe he does, too.

http://politicalconundrum.lefora.com/topic/19426412 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-endorsed-kkk-neo-nazis-america-white-article-1.2543847

Waiting for him to 'disavow' those endorsements.....< crickets >

One last point:There is absolutely no reason for any supporter of the RKBA to make any "utterly ambiguous" statement about the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. None.

The nation is currently under the impression it is stuck with two unacceptable alternatives. There is a way out. If there is enough support for a third party candidate and neither Trump nor Clinton gets the 270 electoral votes needed, the House selects the POTUS.

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Re: Armed with junk science and old photos, critics question #HillarysHealth
« Reply #123 on: August 14, 2016, 09:33:12 pm »
Planned Parenthood does make the trains run on time. So they kill children. Maybe they aren't OUR kind of children. ;)
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« Reply #124 on: August 15, 2016, 12:32:38 pm »
There are lots of non-PP, non-abortion clinics, and there would be more, if not for the funding going to PP.  Supporting PP hurts women's health, not just on the abortion issue.

I've already stated we shouldn't fund them.