ABC: RNC Considering Options If Trump Drops Out

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

A "placeholder" that led the fight for school choice and broke the teachers union hold in Florida.

A "placeholder" that cut nearly $20 billion in taxes and reduced the size of the State government by 10%.

A "placeholder" that banned late term abortions in the State, championed and passed the "Parental Notification Act" mandating doctors to notify parents of a minor at least 48 hours before terminating a pregnancy.

A "placeholder" that ended Affirmative Action in government contracts and college admissions in the State.

A " placeholder" championed and signed the nation's first "stand your ground" law and received top ratings from the NRA.

Do we need more placeholders like that in government, or less?

I like Jeb Bush too. Not sure I liked his stance on immigration, but all these guys are weak on that issue, except Cruz AFAICT.  Unfortunately people right of center are brainwashed by talk radio to not like moderates like Jeb.

[Norm Lenhart]

@Norm Lenhart

I just don't see any way for the GOP to survive beyond this presidential election. You can bet you bippy there will be massive desertions immediately after this election,and chaos as different alliances try to form as former Republicans try to organize a new party.

The "new" Republican Party that emerges won't be any better than the one we have now,though. Chances are it will even be worse because the entire power structure will be composed of the same globalist asshats that control it now. Anybody that thinks the groups like the Bush Crime Family will just fold their tents and go back home are insane. Not only won't they do it,neither will their family "retainers" that have attached themselves to the power centers like some sort of dependent pilot fish who owe their very existence on picking up dropped crumbs. Their whole lives and all their power comes from their allegiance to their masters.

And this ain't even talking about all the alleged Republicans that will suddenly show up as Dims after switching parties. AGAIN.

What *I* see happening is one of two possibilities. The most likely one being the political elite in this country just quits pretending and takes over as the ONE party running our nation. Which is essentially where the nation has been going since Reagan stepped down and that evil bastard Poppy took office. Establishing a formal One Party Nation along Union Lines with Union/voter cards handed out to trustworthy voters (loyal serfs) is the logical next step.

The other possibility,which I see as VERY remote is the long-overdue revolution,where people who still believe in a system where the people control the government and live free,takes place,and we have a "French Revolution" where the people take over and hang the bastards where they find them,and establish a new Republic based on the one the Founding Fathers left us that we pissed away.

The biggest and most interesting coups will be within our own military,as the brass that still take their oaths to the Constitution seriously and the many,many political opportunists within the military like that asshat USMC General that supports Bubbette! butt heads for control  over the military. IF the traditionalists win,the military will safeguard their weapons,but mostly remain on their bases and stay out of any political maneuvering. If the current turds floating to the top of the cesspool created by Bush and Clinton Crime family appointments and promotions,followed by those put in charge by Bathhouse Barry,the military will end up fighting each other,and all bets are off. Hard to say what China and Russia would do in such a situation,with nobody knowing who is really in charge of the nukes and foreign policy. Unless some strong union of senior officers can step up in front  of the cameras and say that THEY are in charge of our offensive weapons,not anyone from any of the various political factions,it could get really ugly really quickly.

Which may even be what the international bankers behind all this hope for because chaos and worldwide panic would give them the authority they need to take over and establish World Wide Government,Inc,to "make us all safer".

Regardless of what happens,we are entering a new era of government. The "game" will change even if most of the "players" remain the same. HOW it changes depends on nobody but us. IF we citizens stick together and demand a new government be formed adhering to Constitutional Principles,that is what we will get and the New American Republic will rise up out of the ashes. If we do what most of us have done all our lives and "go along to get along",there will be no more Republics or individual freedoms,and we will all be cogs in the new feudal machine under World Wide Government,Inc.

The best thing that could happen is the Trump camp stays in their GOP. Anyone with any integrity left the party already. Think of it like a zoo or a security ward where the dangerous are kept from hurting others.

Beyond that, we will have liberal rule for a long time to come from the Democrats because all the Trump supporters, like the Romney supporters before them, ensured that the so called right was purged of principled conservatism. Eventually, after enough carnage, our kids, most likely theirs, can hopefully rebuild the country that the liberal right wing handed to the Democrats on a gold platter.

[Jazzhead]

  Unfortunately people right of center are brainwashed by talk radio to not like moderates like Jeb.

Conservative talk radio has outlived its usefulness.   Its promotion of anger-for-anger's sake has enabled the rise of Trumpism, which will lead directly to Democrat hegemony - control of both the Presidency and Congress.

And the tragic thing is that conservatives could have swept the Dems aside this year.

We may well look back and conclude that Rush Limbaugh has done more to destroy conservatism and the GOP than any other American. 
 

[sneakypete]

.... Unfortunately people right of center are brainwashed by talk radio to not like moderates like Jeb.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

No,the only unfortunate thing is that those of us right of center are the only ones thinking clearly,and we are a minority thanks to the "go along to get along" crowd insane beliefs,much like the beliefs of most German Jews in the 30's ,that "we will be fine as long as we don't attract any attention to ourselves".

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

We may well look back and conclude that Rush Limbaugh has done more to destroy conservatism and the GOP than any other American. 
 

 

Rush became popular in the early 90's. Since that time the GOP has won the popular vote *once*. ONE TIME!

Rush has done squat for conservatism other than make himself rich so he can buy more pills to take.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

No,the only unfortunate thing is that those of us right of center are the only ones thinking clearly,and we are a minority thanks to the "go along to get along" crowd insane beliefs,much like the beliefs of most German Jews in the 30's ,that "we will be fine as long as we don't attract any attention to ourselves".

Then be resigned to blather on impotently on a forum as the Democrats transform the country.

[sneakypete]

@Norm Lenhart
The best thing that could happen is the Trump camp stays in their GOP. Anyone with any integrity left the party already. Think of it like a zoo or a security ward where the dangerous are kept from hurting others.

If by that you mean "start paying attention and made damn sure none of those loons are ever allowed into leadership positions again",I agree.

The truth is we really don't have anyone to blame for their rise to power but ourselves. It was blindingly obvious from the start their goal was to turn the Republican Party into a The Dim Lite Party,but we just sat on the sidelines and allowed them to do it because we didn't want to get shouted at.

>>Beyond that, we will have liberal rule for a long time to come from the Democrats because all the Trump supporters, like the Romney supporters before them, ensured that the so called right was purged of principled conservatism. Eventually, after enough carnage, our kids, most likely theirs, can hopefully rebuild the country that the liberal right wing handed to the Democrats on a gold platter.<<

You are clearly more optimistic than I am. IF we continue to allow them to water down our message the freedoms we lose will be lost forever. Your children and grandchildren will grow up never knowing what it is like to live free,so they will have no reason to take the country back. They will never know it is "been anywhere else other than where it is at that point in their lives."

You can't miss something you never had and don't know about.

[sneakypete]

Then be resigned to blather on impotently on a forum as the Democrats transform the country.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

At least I won't be one of their cheerleaders or enablers.

[Norm Lenhart]

If by that you mean ...

Yup. Thats exactly what I mean. Let them all stay in one caged area where they can not hurt the country any more than they have.

As for the rest, I don't expect our kids/grandkids to fight for something they will not know or in truth, have known in their lifetimes. But the idea of America will not be eradicated by leftist GOP voters nor Democrats. The metaphorical slave always seeks to break his chains...eventually. It's just human nature and a matter of time. No level of communist/liberal indoctrination can completely 'educate' that out of a human.

Now granted, there are the lost causes like GOP/Trump supporters and thats why you keep them away from sane people and in their own party. Sort of like the left did when it created the Green Party. Put the deranged in a proverbial cage, let them think they matter and get on with the agenda. In our case, the agenda of fixing the mess these brain donors made.

5 years at best to see a prayer of a turnaround. Likely longer.

EDIT...50 years at best.

[sneakypete]

Now granted, there are the lost causes like GOP/Trump supporters and thats why you keep them away from sane people and in their own party. Sort of like the left did when it created the Green Party. Put the deranged in a proverbial cage, let them think they matter and get on with the agenda. In our case, the agenda of fixing the mess these brain donors made.

5 years at best to see a prayer of a turnaround. Likely longer.

EDIT...50 years at best.

I agree.

[EC]

It Trump drops out, they'll go with Pence for the simple reason that you can argue legally that he's already on the ballot in all 50 states as VP candidate. No need to parachute someone in at the last second and have court fights over it.

After all, if the nominee dies between nomination and the swearing in the VP candidate takes over - why should this be any different?

[Norm Lenhart]

It Trump drops out, they'll go with Pence for the simple reason that you can argue legally that he's already on the ballot in all 50 states as VP candidate. No need to parachute someone in at the last second and have court fights over it.

After all, if the nominee dies between nomination and the swearing in the VP candidate takes over - why should this be any different?

Makes sense but for one thing. And remember we are talking about the GOP here...

It's not his turn.

THAT is what matters to the GOP. Romney has not spent the past 4 years torpedoing conservatives like Cruz for an upstart like Pence to replace him in his 'rightful' seat.

[r9etb]

Makes sense but for one thing. And remember we are talking about the GOP here...

It's not his turn.

THAT is what matters to the GOP. Romney has not spent the past 4 years torpedoing conservatives like Cruz for an upstart like Pence to replace him in his 'rightful' seat.

Except that it was not Trump's turn.  Your statement falls flat.

[Chosen Daughter]

Trump will not exit the "race" until it becomes completely clear his friend Hillary's victory is assured.

Its getting close.  Despite what Trump says his team is so far apart its incredible.  Pence and Trump can't agree on Ryan.  Katrina Pierson anti-gay tweets......... articles of people in his staff saying he is nutty.

[EC]

Makes sense but for one thing. And remember we are talking about the GOP here...

It's not his turn.

THAT is what matters to the GOP. Romney has not spent the past 4 years torpedoing conservatives like Cruz for an upstart like Pence to replace him in his 'rightful' seat.

True. And it would normally apply, but for the GOP's other defining characteristic - laziness. Most call it expediency, but it's sheer laziness really, the whole "go along to get along, don't make waves" thing they do constantly (and irritatingly). Pence is there, no fighting needed against the Dems. If it was solely a matter of fighting the conservative base, they'd be all in.

While Pence has his problems, he's about 10 million percent better than Trump, so I'll take him!

[Norm Lenhart]

True. And it would normally apply, but for the GOP's other defining characteristic - laziness. Most call it expediency, but it's sheer laziness really, the whole "go along to get along, don't make waves" thing they do constantly (and irritatingly). Pence is there, no fighting needed against the Dems. If it was solely a matter of fighting the conservative base, they'd be all in.

While Pence has his problems, he's about 10 million percent better than Trump, so I'll take him!

Most people would I'd think. However if Pence were to be given the nod, he MIGHT actually win. The GOP does not want that as proven by their throwing the last three elections.

McCain: Stopped campaigning and had his surrogates torpedo his VP running mate

Romney: Wholly unacceptable to conservatives and Christians who actually follow their faith over his profiteering from his abortion laws; Romneycare; Dem associations with Kennedy etc., they ran him anyway.

And now Trump. A lifetime liberal who has been on more sides of the issues than Romeny and Kerry combines, is mentally unstable in his demonstrated actions (flip flopping, outright lying in the face of video evidence, attacking anyone not fawning over his candidacy etc.

If one wants to believe that the GOP actually intends to win the presidency, or has intended to do so for 3 presedential elections running, I am unable to see how given the above facts of history. Occam would say that the truth is they are running a scam on America to get Dems elected. And the idiocy of the average voter is what they bank on to keep the three-peat going.

[massadvj]

At least there is one positive coming out of this.  The latest Franklin and Marshall poll shows Clinton +11 in Pennsylvania.

http://www.fandm.edu/uploads/files/517148503881751921-f-m-poll-release-july-2016.pdf

At least I won't be conflicted come election day.  My vote won't matter, so I won't have to cast the most cognitive dissonant vote of my lifetime.

[sneakypete]

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It Trump drops out, they'll go with Pence for the simple reason that you can argue legally that he's already on the ballot in all 50 states as VP candidate. No need to parachute someone in at the last second and have court fights over it.

After all, if the nominee dies between nomination and the swearing in the VP candidate takes over - why should this be any different?
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@EC

Let's not forget that nobody is going to shoving anyone else out of the line to be first to step up. Winning that election with only a month or less to put together a staff and a campaign is likely to be seen as a "career killer" by most of the likely suspects,so Pence may end up with it by default.

[Jazzhead]

At least there is one positive coming out of this.  The latest Franklin and Marshall poll shows Clinton +11 in Pennsylvania.

http://www.fandm.edu/uploads/files/517148503881751921-f-m-poll-release-july-2016.pdf

At least I won't be conflicted come election day.  My vote won't matter, so I won't have to cast the most cognitive dissonant vote of my lifetime.

Me too - with Clinton clearly winning in PA,  I'll be liberated to vote with a clear conscience for Gary Johnson  (and Pat Toomey, natch).   

[r9etb]

Winning that election with only a month or less to put together a staff and a campaign is likely to be seen as a "career killer" by most of the likely suspects,so Pence may end up with it by default.

Of course, Pence'd still need to put together a staff and a campaign....

[sneakypete]

Of course, Pence'd still need to put together a staff and a campaign....

@r9etb


Yeah,but he is already out there on the stage with the spotlight shining on him and no way to gracefully back away. Cruz and the rest of them have plenty of "room" to say "Who,ME? I'm not running." and get away with it.

Not sure this applies to JEB,though. He has his family political machine already behind him and in high gear the instant he would step forward.

IF JEB takes the torch and runs with it,I will be voting for Bubbette! as the lesser of two evils. I could vote for Pence or practically anyone else with a R behind their name,but will never vote for a Bush again.

[r9etb]

Yeah,but he is already out there on the stage with the spotlight shining on him and no way to gracefully back away. Cruz and the rest of them have plenty of "room" to say "Who,ME? I'm not running." and get away with it.

Not sure this applies to JEB,though. He has his family political machine already behind him and in high gear the instant he would step forward.

IF JEB takes the torch and runs with it,I will be voting for Bubbette! as the lesser of two evils. I could vote for Pence or practically anyone else with a R behind their name,but will never vote for a Bush again.

I was mostly just kidding....

[RetBobbyMI]

Trump is making a mockery of the GOP, plain and simple. And the RNC played right along with him. The GOP will never regain its lost prominence of the Reagan era. It has lost its core values and stands for nothing except appeasing the liberal mobs. I would rather waste my statistical vote for principles, than vote for political losers. Darrell Castle and Scott Bradley of the Constitution party at least has valid core values based on the constitution.

[Oceander]

Trump is making a mockery of the GOP, plain and simple. And the RNC played right along with him. The GOP will never regain its lost prominence of the Reagan era. It has lost its core values and stands for nothing except appeasing the liberal mobs. I would rather waste my statistical vote for principles, than vote for political losers. Darrell Castle and Scott Bradley of the Constitution party at least has valid core values based on the constitution.

You speak the truth.

[Emjay]

Conservative talk radio has outlived its usefulness.   Its promotion of anger-for-anger's sake has enabled the rise of Trumpism, which will lead directly to Democrat hegemony - control of both the Presidency and Congress.

And the tragic thing is that conservatives could have swept the Dems aside this year.

We may well look back and conclude that Rush Limbaugh has done more to destroy conservatism and the GOP than any other American. 
 

And yet they despise Rush on Free Republic because he is not totally worshipful of Trump.  But... lately he's getting there.  I could be okay if he was strictly on the Better than Hillary meme, but now he's defending the indefensible.

He mentioned considering retiring a few days ago.  I'm sure his ratings have fallen. But then he signed a new contract so....