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ANOTHER VIEW: Trump's assaults on Constitution should worry all of us

As Republican Party “constitutionalists” were preparing to nominate authoritarian billionaire Donald Trump for the presidency this week in Cleveland, the American Civil Liberties Union determined that the candidate’s proposals would violate four amendments of the Constitution.

It is not news that Trump has, during the course of his campaign for the GOP nomination, put himself at odds with basic premises of a Bill of Rights that defends a free press, guarantees freedom of religion, and guards against torture and abuses of privacy. But when all of his proposals are pulled together — as the ACLU has done in a fresh analysis of the Republican candidate’s public statements and policy positions — the extent to which Trump would shred the Constitution in general and the Bill of Rights in particular is breathtaking.

“Taken together, his policies and positions, if put into place, would violate the Constitution and federal and international law,” said Anthony Romero, the executive director of the ACLU, which reviewed the candidate’s agenda and determined that “Trump’s proposals would violate the First, Fourth, Fifth, and Eighth Amendments of the Constitution.”

Trump has from the start of his campaign sparked controversy with statements, actions and proposals that disregard the First Amendment. He and his aides have created blacklists of journalists, and the candidate has expressed an interest in rewriting libel laws in order to intimidate, punish and potentially silence critics of powerful individuals and interests. Trump has, as well, proposed schemes to discriminate against Muslims and to spy on mosques and neighborhoods where Muslims live — with steady disregard for the amendment’s guarantee of protection for America’s diverse religious communities.

More At: http://www.wiscnews.com/portagedailyregister/opinion/editorial/article_c9966a85-2bb1-51f2-b053-e5ee01e52d39.html

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So what's new about that?
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This "opinion" is beyond moronic and stupid - typical of ignorant Leftists, though it does sway on accident into the very things we SHOULD be worried about in terms of Constitutional violations that have been suggested by the nominee.

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As Republican Party “constitutionalists” were preparing to nominate authoritarian billionaire Donald Trump for the presidency this week in Cleveland,

First of all, "Constitutionalists" did NOT VOTE for Trump to be the nominee.  Populist/Nationalists,  Republicans and the GOP Establishment Hacks did. 

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It is not news that Trump has, during the course of his campaign for the GOP nomination, put himself at odds with basic premises of a Bill of Rights that defends a free press, guarantees freedom of religion, and guards against torture and abuses of privacy.


While Trump has clearly indicated he is comfortable with such violations in various *suggestions* of policy regarding the 1st Amendment and potentials for ignoring the 4th, Trump DID NOT suggest any violation of the 8th Amendment in regards to applying it to US Citizens.  At least not any that I have heard and read.

The Constitution and it's Amendments applies SPECIFICALLY to the US Government and it's citizens.  None of it applies to foreign enemies, foreign combatants, alien enemies of the country or terrorists. They have no rights this government has to acknowledge in terms of protection in prosecuting a war and combat.


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“Taken together, his policies and positions, if put into place, would violate the Constitution and federal and international law,” said Anthony Romero, the executive director of the ACLU, which reviewed the candidate’s agenda and determined that “Trump’s proposals would violate the First, Fourth, Fifth, and Eighth Amendments of the Constitution.”

The ACLU are such freaking hypocrites.  They don't bat an eye when Obama and the Left violate the Constitution and federal law.  And who gives two poops about 'International law'????  If Trump's policies are in violation of the Constitution, let us lay those out and make the case.  But I daresay the ACLU is not the group to go to for any validation of their opinion since they have no authority on the matter given their abject hypocrisy and selective enforcement of Constitutional violations at the hand of this current regime and the Left.

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Trump has from the start of his campaign sparked controversy with statements, actions and proposals that disregard the First Amendment. He and his aides have created blacklists of journalists, and the candidate has expressed an interest in rewriting libel laws in order to intimidate, punish and potentially silence critics of powerful individuals and interests.

This indeed he has done, and should give any Conservative worth his salt - pause - in considering his fitness to uphold what he will swear to.

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Trump has, as well, proposed schemes to discriminate against Muslims and to spy on mosques and neighborhoods where Muslims live — with steady disregard for the amendment’s guarantee of protection for America’s diverse religious communities.

Congress cannot pass any laws respecting religion in terms of how it is practiced, preached, functioned or gathered unless of course it infringes on the liberties of others.  A political religion that has as it's core doctrine to conquer the world for Islam by violence and the sword is a political religion we have every right to monitor.   We have an enemy that has vowed to hit soft targets and kill us while using our own environment to train, arm and kill us.  No laws can be passed to limit or regulate religion and faith practiced by communities and individuals - but we CAN monitor threats to the lives and safety of citizens that are not of the religion that poses a direct hostile threat to the people.

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But that’s just the beginning of Trump’s assaults on the Constitution. The candidate has encouraged the use of torture and blatantly disregarded privacy protections that have been enshrined in the founding document since the 18th century.


As stated, when it comes to foreigners engaged in hostilities against Americans, they have no Constitutional protections.  American citizens engaging in terrorism against us in the name of Islam are afforded rights that foreign Islamists are not.  I have not heard Trump specifically state that we should torture all Muslims regardless of whether or not they are Citizens.  Provide proof of that, and I will concede the point.


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He has attacked the basic premises of a constitutionally defined separation of powers, with rhetorical assaults on individual jurists and the federal judiciary so extreme that House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Janesville, has described them as “textbook racism.” He has imagined religious tests. He has shown open and consistent disregard for the promise that all Americans will receive equal protection under the law.

Those things he has said, and as such - deserves every bit of opposition that can be mustered against him.

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“If implemented, Donald Trump’s proposed policies will spark a constitutional and legal challenge that would require all hands on deck at the ACLU,”

The ACLU sat there and said and did nothing while Obama violated the Constitution with impunity.  Interesting and typical that they would suddenly sound the klaxons when some regime other than Democrat violates the document they pay lip service in protecting themselves.


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The Republicans who are gathered in Cleveland are heirs to a political tradition that was started in 1854 in Ripon, Wisconsin, by genuine believers in the Constitution, whose first party platform resolved: “That the maintenance of the principles promulgated in the Declaration of Independence, and embodied in the Federal Constitution are essential to the preservation of our Republican institutions, and that the Federal Constitution, the rights of the States, and the union of the States, must and shall be preserved.”

The Republican party today is not that party.  They booed the Constitution.  The only thing they seek to preserve is the behemoth federal Beast and their Fascist gravy train.

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Even today, sincere conservative and libertarian-leaning Republicans defend the Constitution, sometimes working in conjunction with progressive Democrats and the nonpartisan ACLU.

"Non-partisan"?????   BWAHAHAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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A Republican convention that is true to the party’s heritage and its values, ….would make a mockery of itself by nominating Donald Trump.

And a mockery they are indeed.

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Now that it has, responsible Republicans should join Democrats and independents in aggressively and absolutely rejecting the nominee of a party that has abandoned its history, its ideals and its country.

We are not 'joining' the Democrats/Socialists/and Anarchists to do anything.  They are as a blight on the political landscape as the one they now target. 

Responsible Constitutionalists, being rejected and thrown out of the GOP simply need to focus our values and efforts in another party that represents our core principles.

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If by some chance Trump becomes president, patriots of all persuasions and ideologies should celebrate the fact that Anthony Romero and the American Civil Liberties Union say: “We stand ready to defend our Constitution.”

Don't be fooled.  They are there to defend Liberalism and Communism, using the Constitution as a tool to do so.  Nothing more.
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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 Invar's rebuttals to some of the article's claims are right on point. It is true that the ACLU, by and large, was awfully quiet the last 7.5 years.

But this is the reason why the Progressive Nationalist/ Populists movement led by Trump considers traditional conservatives their biggest threat. The GOPe is gelded. Just give them some power and perks and they're good with whatever is going on. The Democrats will wail about Trump's Constitutional abuses but they can be dealt with by pointing out their hypocrisy.

Constitutional conservatives, OTH, will fight. Why do you think Cruz was booed when he told people at that convention to vote for candidates that defend freedom and the Constitution?

A lot of Trump supporters believe that traditional conservatism and the Constitution are good, but outdated and not applicable to the modern times. Nothing could be further from the truth!!
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