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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2016, 01:25:43 pm »
Trump has shown NO INTEREST in trying to win over those in the Republican party who didn't support him.  No, instead, he's trolling for Bernie's socialist supporters.  And continuing to trash Cruz and Kasich, rubbing the noses of their supporters in "I beat them badly."

This is what concerns me most up to now.  It makes no sense.  His twitter feed is chock full of appeals to Sanders and his followers.  How is that going to unify the Republican party?


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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2016, 01:28:25 pm »

.........STAND UP AND SAY SO AMERICA!!!!......


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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2016, 01:33:18 pm »
This article is another example of someone molding Trump into what they think he will be while ignoring his past and current statements and positions. It also is very condensending. I suspect, as his backers realize he isn't who they thought, we'll see more fear mongering and insults.  I suspect deep down they know they have a bad candidate on their hands even though they won't admit so publicly. And it's the height of arrogance for them to demand that you vote for a candidate that even deep down they know is bad.


Trump and Hillary both believe in central control over the economy. Maybe Trump less so than Clinton but nonetheless, still holds the belief he can manage it better. On many other domestic issues, the gap between the two isn't that wide, either.

I'm currently a NeverTrumper but may change my mind in the voting booth come Nov. That depends what I hear from now to then. If I ultimately make the decision to vote for him, it won't be because I was bullied into it nor will I be under any illusion regarding Trump and who he is

This is the worst pick your poison election I have ever seen

Trump strongly supported Kelo, which IMO was written for K Street and the Chamber of Crony Capitalism. With Trump and Hillary, trickle down government will remain as prevalent as it is today. Both saw what Obama's been able to get away with on Executive Orders, and they both know that the Average American "wants something done."

Whether it be Chuckie Schumer or the Turtle in the Senate, or Paul Ryan or Nancy Pelosi in the House, the Legislative Branch will continue to abdicate its responsibility as a coequal branch of government.

Donald Trump is Mr. Thompson, Hillary Clinton is Ma Chalmers, and Atlas Shrugged is now nonfiction.
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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2016, 02:03:14 pm »
Trump strongly supported Kelo, which IMO was written for K Street and the Chamber of Crony Capitalism. With Trump and Hillary, trickle down government will remain as prevalent as it is today. Both saw what Obama's been able to get away with on Executive Orders, and they both know that the Average American "wants something done."

Whether it be Chuckie Schumer or the Turtle in the Senate, or Paul Ryan or Nancy Pelosi in the House, the Legislative Branch will continue to abdicate its responsibility as a coequal branch of government.

Donald Trump is Mr. Thompson, Hillary Clinton is Ma Chalmers, and Atlas Shrugged is now nonfiction.

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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2016, 02:06:21 pm »
Vote your conscience.



 And that is all anyone can do this election.  If your conscience tells you to vote for Trump then so be it.  If it tells you to stay home so be it.  I guess I can understand Ted Cruz not giving Donald Trump a full throated endorsement. If Trump did to my family what he did to Ted Cruz's, I don't know if I could either.

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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2016, 02:19:45 pm »
Trump has shown NO INTEREST in trying to win over those in the Republican party who didn't support him.  No, instead, he's trolling for Bernie's socialist supporters.  And continuing to trash Cruz and Kasich, rubbing the noses of their supporters in "I beat them badly."

And now we have his brownshirts here trying to jam him down our throats with threats and guilt. 

Trump disqualified himself this weekend with his crazed rants. 

#NeverTrump will forever, for me, be Never Trump.

Well, If Hillary wins,  this may be the last time you ever enter a voting booth  Hillary is a TRAITOR.

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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2016, 02:25:15 pm »
And that is all anyone can do this election.  If your conscience tells you to vote for Trump then so be it.  If it tells you to stay home so be it.  I guess I can understand Ted Cruz not giving Donald Trump a full throated endorsement. If Trump did to my family what he did to Ted Cruz's, I don't know if I could either.

Whatever one decides to do with this election, there really is no positive outcome

Allow me to offer a painful contrarian view this morning. Such views often come to me while I'm in my cubicle at work... :silly:.

I'm thinking of two historic firsts over the past decade: America's first black president, and the Vatican's first Jesuit pope. Now we're contemplating the first woman POTUS.

Obama will inevitably be viewed by history as a failed President. His main achievements are Obamacare and Balkanizing the country. Francis IMO will likely be the only Jesuit priest we'll see for another 1000 years, if ever. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but warm regards for the Jesuits I knew from my college days at Gonzaga, but Francis has been a disaster IMO.

Before America can return to the right path, I can only surmise we have to endure the meme of having a woman president. Perhaps then we can start electing men and women of high moral character and integrity to public office.

One last note: the same applies to the military, with the social engineering at warp speed during the Obama years. Judging by our readiness statistics, the officer corps is drowning with Courtney Massengales where there should be Sam Damons. I'm referring to the novel Once an Eagle by Anton Myrer. I read the novel as a 2nd LT, and the ideals encapsulated in Sam Damon are those I continue to aspire to. It's been part of the curriculum at the Army War College for decades. I found it amusing that I was so far ahead of the curve, as 3/4 of the officers I knew had never heard of the novel, including most ring knockers.
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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2016, 02:25:50 pm »
Well, If Hillary wins,  this may be the last time you ever enter a voting booth

Funny, that's how I feel about Trump. 
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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2016, 02:28:51 pm »
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Message to all you so very honorable constitutional conservatives:  Trump is a far better constitutional candidate than anyone we’ve had a chance to vote for since Reagan, who also had his flaws.

Lolololol  *deep breath*  Rotflololol

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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2016, 02:30:06 pm »
There's nothing honorable about voting for that human garbage dump, Trump, and it isn't going to happen.  Not in my house.

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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2016, 02:31:39 pm »
Allow me to offer a painful contrarian view this morning. Such views often come to me while I'm in my cubicle at work... :silly:.

I'm thinking of two historic firsts over the past decade: America's first black president, and the Vatican's first Jesuit pope. Now we're contemplating the first woman POTUS.

Obama will inevitably be viewed by history as a failed President. His main achievements are Obamacare and Balkanizing the country. Francis IMO will likely be the only Jesuit priest we'll see for another 1000 years, if ever. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but warm regards for the Jesuits I knew from my college days at Gonzaga, but Francis has been a disaster IMO.

Before America can return to the right path, I can only surmise we have to endure the meme of having a woman president. Perhaps then we can start electing men and women of high moral character and integrity to public office.

One last note: the same applies to the military, with the social engineering at warp speed during the Obama years. Judging by our readiness statistics, the officer corps is drowning with Courtney Massengales where there should be Sam Damons. I'm referring to the novel Once an Eagle by Anton Myrer. I read the novel as a 2nd LT, and the ideals encapsulated in Sam Damon are those I continue to aspire to. It's been part of the curriculum at the Army War College for decades. I found it amusing that I was so far ahead of the curve, as 3/4 of the officers I knew had never heard of the novel, including most ring knockers.

My problem with this is Hillary, along with the other leaders of western Europe, for some reason are dead set on flooding their nations with peoples so foreign to western values that I doubt there will be anything to salvage in another few years.

I honestly do not believe Trump will do anything differently, in spite of his early primary rhetoric.

I find both candidates equally repellent. What a depressing state of affairs.

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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2016, 02:33:02 pm »
I can train my dog in the basics of not pissing in the house, but I wouldn't vote for him for president.

But, it should be noted (and this is only my opinion) that I would be far more likely to vote for your dog than for Trump.

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« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2016, 02:35:09 pm »
This post needs a reread.

Not voting for Trump is a Clinton vote.  And with the recent email release of DNC communications and the
anticipated State Department email release, firm ground to deny Trump is even less.

And by the way, despite Cruz presence at the RNC, and despite my request to remove Cruz from Pookie
Toons, I would support him as a Supreme. And maybe Trump would too.  Because Cruz would be an
outstanding candidate, strong constitutionalist and that would remove Cruz from his current distractions

Time to man up.  Vote Trump!

Nope.  Never.  You broke it, you bought it. 

Besides, using your logic, not voting for Hillary is a vote for Trump, so it looks like I cancel myself out, right?

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« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2016, 02:38:41 pm »
Trump has shown NO INTEREST in trying to win over those in the Republican party who didn't support him.  No, instead, he's trolling for Bernie's socialist supporters.  And continuing to trash Cruz and Kasich, rubbing the noses of their supporters in "I beat them badly."

And now we have his brownshirts here trying to jam him down our throats with threats and guilt. 

Trump disqualified himself this weekend with his crazed rants. 

#NeverTrump will forever, for me, be Never Trump.

But it isn't going to work for them, and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.  Some of us knew that, as the election neared, the Trump supporters would go from dismissing our vote to tantruming & demanding it.  Sure enough, here we are.  But they're just going to have to accept that we refuse to support their oafish, stupid lunatic of a candidate.

I was #NeverTrump before they created the hashtag.
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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2016, 02:42:10 pm »
But it isn't going to work for them, and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.  Some of us knew that, as the election neared, the Trump supporters would go from dismissing our vote to tantruming & demanding it.  Sure enough, here we are.  But they're just going to have to accept that we refuse to support their oafish, stupid lunatic of a candidate.

I was #NeverTrump before they created the hashtag.

Just wait for the end of September... That's when the begging and pleading starts...

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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2016, 02:42:55 pm »
There's nothing honorable about voting for that human garbage dump, Trump, and it isn't going to happen.  Not in my house.

Nor ours, though my wife is catching considerable flak from her nine siblings. She's been ahead of the curve since she finally agreed to go out on a date with me 34 years ago. At that time, she and her family were Democrats, though socially conservative.

I cut my conservative teeth during my last year in Germany, during the 1980 election. My German neighbors were convinced that Reagan would start WWIII. For weeks leading up to the vote, I engaged them in conversation at the neighborhood restaurant, drawing upon my knowledge of American, world, and military history. Checkmate arrived on Inauguration Day, when the hostages were released.

It took me at least five years with my inlaws, but the time was well spent. There's always a bit too much drama with such a large family, but I love them all.
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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2016, 02:43:31 pm »
Just wait for the end of September... That's when the begging and pleading starts...

Well, they can get as hysterical as they want.  They should have chosen a halfway decent candidate.

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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2016, 02:47:32 pm »
But it isn't going to work for them, and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.  Some of us knew that, as the election neared, the Trump supporters would go from dismissing our vote to tantruming & demanding it.  Sure enough, here we are.  But they're just going to have to accept that we refuse to support their oafish, stupid lunatic of a candidate.

I was #NeverTrump before they created the hashtag.

You're way ahead of me, brother. I finally came to the conclusion that I was indeed #NeverTrump when I was suspended from TOS, and Trump kept going after Cruz, with the full-throated support of the Trumpeteers on TOS. Silly me, I thought it was all about defeating Hillary.

The realization/expectation of a Trump presidency is very disappointing. Instead of weekly "Fireside Chats", there will be daily "Twitter Wars" from the Oval Office.
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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2016, 02:51:05 pm »
daily "Twitter Wars" from the Oval Office.

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« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2016, 02:53:16 pm »
Nor ours, though my wife is catching considerable flak from her nine siblings. She's been ahead of the curve since she finally agreed to go out on a date with me 34 years ago. At that time, she and her family were Democrats, though socially conservative.

I cut my conservative teeth during my last year in Germany, during the 1980 election. My German neighbors were convinced that Reagan would start WWIII. For weeks leading up to the vote, I engaged them in conversation at the neighborhood restaurant, drawing upon my knowledge of American, world, and military history. Checkmate arrived on Inauguration Day, when the hostages were released.

It took me at least five years with my inlaws, but the time was well spent. There's always a bit too much drama with such a large family, but I love them all.

Night, what was the reaction from your German neighbors when the hostages were released?

I understand completely what you mean about large families and their drama.  I'm an only child, but I married a man with a large family.  I love my in-laws, but they've turned into Trumpbots who can't have a conversation without turning the topic to him.  And they are smart, successful people who should know better.  My brother-in-law has developed the habit of injecting random shouts of "Go, Trump!" into totally unrelated discussions.  My husband has wondered out loud, more than once, what the hell has happened to his family.  It's like they fell asleep and the pods took over.

Family get-togethers are now centered on trying to convince us to vote for Trump.  Both of us refuse to back down and we give more than we get, because our arguments are based on fact, while theirs are based on pure emotion.  When we mention any one of the ugly truths about Trump, my in-laws, these Christian people, turn their eyes away and mutter, "No one's perfect."

I'll add that they're getting all of their information from Fox News.

Tell your wife to stand strong and to welcome the opportunity to speak the truth.

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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2016, 02:55:46 pm »
Funny, that's how I feel about Trump.

Trump does not have the machinery or power that the left has.  Why didn't the conservatives fight like hell to keep trump from getting the nomination?  They let Trump walk all over them.you can blame those that didn't pull out sooner--like Kasich when Cruz still had a chance to win.  No one seems all that angry with Kasich or Rubio. :chairbang:

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« Reply #46 on: July 25, 2016, 02:57:26 pm »
You're way ahead of me, brother. I finally came to the conclusion that I was indeed #NeverTrump when I was suspended from TOS, and Trump kept going after Cruz, with the full-throated support of the Trumpeteers on TOS. Silly me, I thought it was all about defeating Hillary.

The realization/expectation of a Trump presidency is very disappointing. Instead of weekly "Fireside Chats", there will be daily "Twitter Wars" from the Oval Office.

I'm a sister, not a brother, lol.   :laugh:

Yep, twitter wars, lawsuits, and time spent going after Republicans who refuse to bend their knees.  After all, Trump said recently that attacking Hillary bored him.

I've always disliked Trump, from the moment I first heard his gasbag, braggart mouth.  This past year of researching him and watching him in action has deepened my dislike into detestation. 

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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2016, 03:00:31 pm »
Why didn't the conservatives fight like hell to keep trump from getting the nomination?  They let Trump walk all over them.

That's a pretty flawed assumption
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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2016, 03:16:37 pm »
This post needs a reread.

Not voting for Trump is a Clinton vote.  And with the recent email release of DNC communications and the
anticipated State Department email release, firm ground to deny Trump is even less.
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Time to man up.  Vote Trump!

Allow me to repost:

*Ring, ring. Ring, Ring.*

"Hello?"

"Yes, this is an MSNBC poll. Do you prefer Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump for president?"

"Um, neither. I won't vote for either. I think I may vote for Gary Johnson."

"Right, we'll just put that down as a supporting Hillary, then. Thanks for your time. Goodbye!"

"Hey! Wait..."

*click*

(Your thought process is as corrupt as this poll would be.)
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Re: There is Nothing Honorable About Losing to Hillary
« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2016, 03:21:34 pm »
Night, what was the reaction from your German neighbors when the hostages were released?

I understand completely what you mean about large families and their drama.  I'm an only child, but I married a man with a large family.  I love my in-laws, but they've turned into Trumpbots who can't have a conversation without turning the topic to him.  And they are smart, successful people who should know better.  My brother-in-law has developed the habit of injecting random shouts of "Go, Trump!" into totally unrelated discussions.  My husband has wondered out loud, more than once, what the hell has happened to his family.  It's like they fell asleep and the pods took over.

Family get-togethers are now centered on trying to convince us to vote for Trump.  Both of us refuse to back down and we give more than we get, because our arguments are based on fact, while theirs are based on pure emotion.  When we mention any one of the ugly truths about Trump, my in-laws, these Christian people, turn their eyes away and mutter, "No one's perfect."

I'll add that they're getting all of their information from Fox News.

Tell your wife to stand strong and to welcome the opportunity to speak the truth.

On my next trip to the neighborhood restaurant (gasthaus), I was invited to sit at the stammtische, a table reserved for family and close friends of the family.

It's an honor I cherish to this day. Talk to anyone who's lived in Germany, and they'll tell you it's unheard of for an American GI to occupy a place at that table.

O/T, the special feeling I have for Germany, specifically Traben-Trarbach (Mosel River) and Lutjenburg (northern Germany) remains to this day. Though I don't dwell on the past, the memories of those years are filled with joy, and have helped me weather the storms in my life.

Serving in 6th Battalion, 56th ADA () was a truly unique experience. My first battery at Hahn AB, was over 40 miles from Battalion HQ. To say we were on our own was an understatement. Fast forward a few years, and my last assignment was as the Battalion Supply Officer (S-4), with an area of operations that was roughly 1200 square miles, as we were tasked with the airbase defense of Hahn, Spangdahlem, and Bitburg air bases. I knew the area like the back of my hand, as I spent a good portion of my tour on the road. I averaged 36K miles per year. During my 2+ years at Spangdahlem at Bn HQ, my daily commute was 30 miles each way. It was so worth it, as my drive home took me through Urzig, a glorious sight on a clear day:



I was uniquely qualified for that role, if you combine my experiences as a Platoon Leader, Maintenance Officer, XO, and Property Book Officer, with my degree in Public Accounting.

Regarding Lutjenburg, a small town about an hour east of Kiel, I spent a summer as the XO for a support detachment at a German anti-aircraft range. I made so many friends during that summer, that I'd spend an occasional long weekend there, when the opportunity arose. Although it was 400 miles from my apartment, most of the drive was autobahn, and it took 5 hours.
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