Author Topic: WOW! POLITICAL SUICIDE! TED CRUZ REFUSES TO ENDORSE TRUMP – CROWD BOOS HIM OFF STAGE (Read 83306 times)

Just_Victor · « **Reply #350 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:15:08 pm »

Quote from: Eowyn on July 21, 2016, 03:13:26 pm

Yeah, at some point Trump supporters really should stop with the lies.

It's all they have left. They abandoned everything else in order to support their candidate.

Mechanicos · « **Reply #351 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:16:36 pm »

Quote from: thackney on July 21, 2016, 03:08:14 pm

Here is the speech:

https://reaganlibrary.archives.gov/archives/reference/8.19.76.html

Would you please point out the words of his endorsement?

Its already been posted, do your own dam homework.

Poser · « **Reply #352 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:17:26 pm »

Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on July 21, 2016, 03:11:37 pm

There are a lot of reasons other than a presidential candidate that occur to go to a convention, like meeting with supporters, party platform.

You imply nominating a presidential candidate is that is all that there is. wrong.

OK. That's valid. If he attended, he should have kept his mouth shut.

catfish1957 · « **Reply #353 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:18:05 pm »

Quote from: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 03:16:36 pm

Its already been posted, do your own dam homework.

No....bull shit. Answer the f'n question. There is reason you have no credibility here.

thackney · « **Reply #354 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:19:08 pm »

Quote from: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 03:16:36 pm

Its already been posted, do your own dam homework.

Then we agree. Reagan did NOT endorse Ford at the convention. And for everyone else, read his full speech here:

https://reaganlibrary.archives.gov/archives/reference/8.19.76.html

Texas Yellow Rose · « **Reply #355 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:19:54 pm »

Quote from: Poser on July 21, 2016, 02:44:30 pm

Butt... He could have kept his mouth shut and showed some class. He chose not to.

What? Would you have had him NOT congratulate Donald Trump? I suppose that was classless too. What was classless about encouraging those who were considering staying home on election day to get out there and vote? Mr Cruz spoke to his supporters. He did a fine job and was the epitome of class.

Poser · « **Reply #356 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:20:31 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 03:18:05 pm

No....bull shit. Answer the f'n question. There is reason you have no credibility here.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/21/ted-cruz-did-not-endorse-donald-trump-but-ronald-reagan-supported-gerald-ford-to-win/

I posted the quotes near the bottom of the last page.

bilo · « **Reply #357 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:20:58 pm »

Quote from: skeeter on July 21, 2016, 02:55:39 pm

It would be so easy for Trump to turn Cruz's speech into a plus for himself tomorrow, and win many of Cruz's supporters votes as well.

He could be respectful, he could restore his relationship with Cruz, he could embrace the values Cruz spoke of and claim he hoped we would all see him as the candidate to carry them forward.

I would be pleasantly surprised if he did. But I'm pretty certain he won't. Trump just doesn't have it in him.

You know if Trump did something like that I would have to re-evaluate not voting for Trump. You're right though, Trump would never take the high road and admit his mistakes.

Hoodat · « **Reply #358 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:22:16 pm »

Quote from: Poser on July 21, 2016, 02:55:08 pm

No. I don't admire his actions. Rather, I admire the actions of Ronald Reagan when faced with the same situation.

Cruz did exactly as Reagan did in 1976.

IsailedawayfromFR · « **Reply #359 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:23:03 pm »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 21, 2016, 02:24:49 pm

Ah, the whole purpose of a political convention is to tell people in your party who to vote for.

Wrong.

It is to establish a party platform and nominate candidates who espouse that platform.

In this country, no one 'tells' someone who to vote for.

When I lived in the UK, one voted a party, not anything else, and the party selected the candidates who would run for office. There was not even a geographic element to it.

That just is not the way it is done here.

Poser · « **Reply #360 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:24:59 pm »

Quote from: Hoodat on July 21, 2016, 03:22:16 pm

Cruz did exactly as Reagan did in 1976.

For the third time:
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/21/ted-cruz-did-not-endorse-donald-trump-but-ronald-reagan-supported-gerald-ford-to-win/

thackney · « **Reply #361 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:25:16 pm »

Quote from: Poser on July 21, 2016, 03:20:31 pm

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/21/ted-cruz-did-not-endorse-donald-trump-but-ronald-reagan-supported-gerald-ford-to-win/

I posted the quotes near the bottom of the last page.

That article points out the lack of actual endorsement by Reagan and the conflicting opinions that try to read an endorsement out of support for the party. Like Cruz showed support stating "vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution".

It is strange that some Trump supporters think that language excludes Donald Trump.

Mechanicos · « **Reply #362 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:25:42 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 03:18:05 pm

No....bull shit. Answer the f'n question. There is reason you have no credibility here.

Reality check. Since I keep getting proven right and the Antis keep getting proven wrong the fact is I do have more credibility then the Anti's here. Kinda hard to claim you are credible with a 100 percent record of being wrong.

Now the issue is did Reagan support Ford to win? And the answer is yes. And your sources have lied to you by twisting the issue from support to endorse. Just like the issue last night was never about Cruz endorsing Trump, it was about supporting him like Reagan did with Ford - and his speech he provided beforehand said he was going to do.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/21/ted-cruz-did-not-endorse-donald-trump-but-ronald-reagan-supported-gerald-ford-to-win/

Mechanicos · « **Reply #363 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:27:05 pm »

Quote from: thackney on July 21, 2016, 03:25:16 pm

That article points out the lack of actual endorsement by Reagan and the conflicting opinions that try to read an endorsement out of support for the party. Like Cruz showed support stating "vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution".

It is strange that some Trump supporters think that language excludes Donald Trump.

Its dishonest to make the issue endorsement when the issue, even in the pledge was about SUPPORT. If you have to lie to make you point you have no point.

Poser · « **Reply #364 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:28:20 pm »

Quote from: thackney on July 21, 2016, 03:25:16 pm

That article points out the lack of actual endorsement by Reagan and the conflicting opinions that try to read an endorsement out of support for the party. Like Cruz showed support stating "vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution".

It is strange that some Trump supporters think that language excludes Donald Trump.

Saying "vote your conscience" is in no way similar to, "We must go forth from here united, determined that what a great general said a few years ago is true: There is no substitute for victory, Mr. President.”

driftdiver · « **Reply #365 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:29:06 pm »

Quote from: Poser on July 21, 2016, 03:17:26 pm

OK. That's valid. If he attended, he should have kept his mouth shut.

Until mean he should a kept his mouth shut after being asked to speak?

Eowyn · « **Reply #366 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:29:41 pm »

Quote from: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 03:16:36 pm

Its already been posted, do your own dam homework.

Reagan called for unity. Cruz called for unity.

catfish1957 · « **Reply #367 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:29:53 pm »

Quote from: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 03:25:42 pm

Reality check. Since I keep getting proven right and the Antis keep getting proven wrong the fact is I do have more credibility then the Anti's here. Kinda hard to claim you are credible with a 100 percent record of being wrong.

Now the issue is did Reagan support Ford to win? And the answer is yes. And your sources have lied to you by twisting the issue from support to endorse. Just like the issue last night was never about Cruz endorsing Trump, it was about supporting him like Reagan did with Ford - and his speech he provided beforehand said he was going to do.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/21/ted-cruz-did-not-endorse-donald-trump-but-ronald-reagan-supported-gerald-ford-to-win/

Everyone is tired of your obfuscating bull shit. Answer the damn question. Where exactly in Reagan's speech did he endorse Ford?

How hard is it to do that?

skeeter · « **Reply #368 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:31:38 pm »

Quote from: thackney on July 21, 2016, 03:25:16 pm

That article points out the lack of actual endorsement by Reagan and the conflicting opinions that try to read an endorsement out of support for the party. Like Cruz showed support stating "vote for candidates up and down the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution".

It is strange that some Trump supporters think that language excludes Donald Trump.

You post the speech transcript, they post opinion editorials.

'Nuff said.

bilo · « **Reply #369 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:33:16 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 03:11:25 pm

God Bless Ted Cruz

Cruz 2020

You bet!

I really began to follow politics and formed my beliefs when Ronald Reagan ran for POTUS against Carter. I remember all the criticism of him in the media. He actually believed in things like individual liberty, limited govt., strong defense, and right vs. wrong. The GOPe hated him for it. They hated him once he was elected because he actually wanted to do what he said he would do. Sen Cruz is receiving the same treatment that Reagan did in his pre POTUS years. Sen Cruz will be vindicated.

Hoodat · « **Reply #370 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:33:29 pm »

Quote from: bilo on July 21, 2016, 03:20:58 pm

You know if Trump did something like that I would have to re-evaluate not voting for Trump. You're right though, Trump would never take the high road and admit his mistakes.

If Trump did ANYTHING Conservative, I would gladly re-evaluate. But it's been over a year now, and I'm still waiting.

GrouchoTex · « **Reply #371 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:33:35 pm »

May I politely request, that those who are so inclined, go and read the entire transcripts of both Reagan's 1976 speech and Cruz's 2016 speech?
They are both quite good, if you take away the theatrics that both were originally surrounded by.

driftdiver · « **Reply #372 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:34:47 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on July 21, 2016, 03:29:53 pm

Everyone is tire of your obfuscating bull shit. Answer the damn question. Where exactly in Reagan's speech did he endorse Ford?

How hard is it to do that?

The ignore feature has worked wonders for my blood pressure.

thackney · « **Reply #373 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:35:29 pm »

Quote from: Mechanicos on July 21, 2016, 03:27:05 pm

Its dishonest to make the issue endorsement when the issue, even in the pledge was about SUPPORT. If you have to lie to make you point you have no point.

Ted Cruz's actual words:

Quote

...And, if we stand together and choose freedom, our future will be brighter. Freedom will bring back jobs and raise wages. Freedom will lift people out of dependency to the dignity of work.

We can do this. Forty-Seven years ago to this day, America put the very first man on the moon.

That was the power of freedom. Our party, the Republican party, was founded to defeat slavery...

...We will unite the party; we will unite the country by standing together for shared values by standing for liberty....

Are claiming that is not support? At the Republican Party Convention talking about standing together and uniting the party?

As for the pledge, you mean the pledge that Trump rescinded???

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/30/trump-rescinds-pledge-to-back-republican-nominee-cruz-kasich-refuse-to-commit-support.html

Hoodat · « **Reply #374 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:35:53 pm »

Quote from: bilo on July 21, 2016, 03:33:16 pm

You bet!

I really began to follow politics and formed my beliefs when Ronald Reagan ran for POTUS against Carter. I remember all the criticism of him in the media. He actually believed in things like individual liberty, limited govt., strong defense, and right vs. wrong. The GOPe hated him for it. They hated him once he was elected because he actually wanted to do what he said he would do. Sen Cruz is receiving the same treatment that Reagan did in his pre POTUS years. Sen Cruz will be vindicated.

It's no coincidence that Trump hired the last guy to beat Reagan - Paul Manafort.