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‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« on: July 16, 2016, 05:49:02 am »
‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee

by Tim Alberta July 14, 2016 11:09 PM

CLEVELAND — The “Never Trump” movement died with a whimper Thursday night. And to be clear: There was never a bang to begin with.

After months of hype — and weeks of misleading media narratives — the efforts to derail Donald Trump at the Republican National Convention ended abruptly and undramatically here during a marathon meeting of the Convention Rules Committee.

Fourteen hours after the committee hearing was gaveled into session, delegates delivered a swift and anticlimactic verdict on a proposal that would have allowed all delegates to vote their conscience on the convention floor next week. The amendment, offered by Colorado delegate Kendal Unruh, received national attention in recent months and was reported by several major media outlets to have a realistic chance of garnering the 28 votes needed to produce a “minority report” that would result in a convention-wide vote on the topic. Yet when the time came for a vote in the Rules Committee, the margin was so lopsided against the amendment that no recorded vote was taken — meaning no minority report will be considered on the convention floor.

That result was previewed minutes earlier when delegates voted overwhelmingly — 87 to 25 — to adopt an amendment that prohibited any language in the GOP’s rules allowing for the unbinding of delegates from the winners of their state’s nominating contests.

That 10-minute stretch erased any minuscule chance that ever existed of toppling Trump at next week’s convention. With the two much-discussed mechanisms of ousting Trump taken off the table, RNC leadership and Trump campaign officials — who furiously whipped committee votes against these efforts — were finally able to breathe a sigh of relief, knowing Trump’s nomination is now assured.

“Anti-Trump people get crushed at Rules Committee. It was never in doubt: Convention will honor will of people & nominate @realdonaldtrump,” Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort tweeted shortly after the vote.

Manafort is correct: The outcome was entirely predictable, especially after Unruh’s allies showed their weak hand earlier in the day.

Barely 10 minutes into Thursday morning’s proceedings, the Rules Committee recessed temporarily because of a printer jam. That recess was then extended another five hours — not due to technical difficulties, but because of private negotiations — first reported by National Review — between RNC Chairman Reince Priebus and a group of anti-Trump conservatives. Those present included Unruh, leader of the conscience movement; Virginia delegate Morton Blackwell, who sought to reduce the power of the RNC; and Ken Cuccinelli, a Ted Cruz ally who sought changes to the 2020 primary structure that could theoretically help the Texas senator’s next presidential bid. (Cruz allies emphasized that the Texas senator had nothing to do with Cuccinelli’s efforts.)

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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2016, 05:57:04 am »
#NeverTrump isn't dead.
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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2016, 06:53:15 am »
#NeverTrump isn't dead.

Its dead as a movement within conservatism and the Republican party...its simply part of the Hillary Clinton campaign now, and acts on her behalf...knowingly or otherwise. A couple Nevertrumps right here on the board have already declared they prefer Hillary over Mr. Trump....that kinda says it all.
 
« Last Edit: July 16, 2016, 06:54:26 am by Mesaclone »
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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2016, 07:07:20 am »


. . . and I can't wait for Hilarious Rodent Clinton's campaign logo to come forth so I can take
a shot at that, too!


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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2016, 08:08:39 am »
Its dead as a movement within conservatism and the Republican party...its simply part of the Hillary Clinton campaign now, and acts on her behalf...knowingly or otherwise. A couple Nevertrumps right here on the board have already declared they prefer Hillary over Mr. Trump....that kinda says it all.

It is possible to be both #NeverTrump and #NeverClinton at the same time.  You can put away that 'false dilemma' logical fallacy for good.  As for the Republican Party, it is clear now that Trump is now part of the GOPe which is to be expected since (unlike his supporters) Trump never personally campaigned against it.  Reince and company are assured their positions for another four years now.  The only challenge to the GOPe had come from Ted Cruz, but the establishment found a good ally in Donald Trump two years ago to ward off the TEA Party and are now sticking with him in 2016.

As for Conservatism, the Republican Party has clearly rejected that.  They aren't even talking Conservatism any more.  They are perfectly content taking on the minority party role as Democrat-lite.  Whether Trump wins or not, their jobs are safe as they live like dogs eating scraps that fall off the table.  And with Trump and his money as the candidate, they can kick back and relax this election just like they did four years ago with Romney and his money.

So Congrats are in order for the GOPe.  Their transition to Democrat Apprentices is complete.  It will be slightly difficult seeing Pence completely sell out, but he has made his bed.
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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2016, 10:16:27 am »
Tell us after November. LOL

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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2016, 10:48:20 am »
Never = Never

It's not that hard

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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2016, 03:53:33 pm »
Its dead as a movement within conservatism and the Republican party...its simply part of the Hillary Clinton campaign now, and acts on her behalf...knowingly or otherwise. A couple Nevertrumps right here on the board have already declared they prefer Hillary over Mr. Trump....that kinda says it all.

Here we go with the "#NeverTrump means supporting Hillary" BS again.

Hey - newsflash - #NeverTrumpers have never actually voted for Hillary, UNLIKE TRUMP.

Good job nominating a Hillary supporter to lead the Republican party!

Trump supporters are like pull-string dolls, programmed to say the same thing over and over even as the world turns around them!

"There's a snake in my boot!"
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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2016, 04:41:29 pm »
Its dead as a movement within conservatism and the Republican party...its simply part of the Hillary Clinton campaign now, and acts on her behalf...knowingly or otherwise. A couple Nevertrumps right here on the board have already declared they prefer Hillary over Mr. Trump....that kinda says it all.

Mesaclone, I thought you were asked to stop posting the neverTrump=Clinton stuff. 

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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2016, 04:50:18 pm »
All:  please be advised that calling another poster a liar, or stupid, or insane, or a fascist, or a Hillary supporter is considered a personal attack. Repeated violations of this forum's rule against personal attacks may result in suspension - or more.

Please focus on the issues and on the candidates - not on other members of this forum. Please behave like reasonable adults.

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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2016, 05:12:02 pm »
All:  please be advised that calling another poster a liar, or stupid, or insane, or a fascist, or a Hillary supporter is considered a personal attack. Repeated violations of this forum's rule against personal attacks may result in suspension - or more.

Please focus on the issues and on the candidates - not on other members of this forum. Please behave like reasonable adults.

Serious question. If a board member STATES they would vote for Hillary rather than the GOP candidate, is it then allowed to identify them as one of her supporters...since, factually, that would then be correct?

This is still a GOP board, so it would seem reasonable to identify a SELF DECLARED Hillary support as being such. Nonetheless, you are the mod and your word stands.
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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2016, 05:23:03 pm »
Serious question. If a board member STATES they would vote for Hillary rather than the GOP candidate, is it then allowed to identify them as one of her supporters...since, factually, that would then be correct?

This is still a GOP board, so it would seem reasonable to identify a SELF DECLARED Hillary support as being such. Nonetheless, you are the mod and your word stands.

Calling another poster a Hillary supporter is considered a personal attack.

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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2016, 02:09:35 am »
She who shall not be named....supporter. Or should I just go with Voldemortia?

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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2016, 02:37:50 am »
She who shall not be named....supporter. Or should I just go with Voldemortia?

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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2016, 02:41:30 am »
Mesaclone, I thought you were asked to stop posting the neverTrump=Clinton stuff.

He calls it "parody" now.

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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2016, 02:43:43 am »
A rose is a rose by any other name and would smell as sweet.

Heh...I like this place.
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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2016, 03:14:59 am »
Mesaclone, I thought you were asked to stop posting the neverTrump=Clinton stuff.

No, I was directed not to call any individual a Hillary supporter. Was not directed to avoid calling the Nevertrump movement a boon to shewhowillnotbenamed. There is a difference.
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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2016, 10:57:56 am »
No, I was directed not to call any individual a Hillary supporter. Was not directed to avoid calling the Nevertrump movement a boon to shewhowillnotbenamed. There is a difference.

So breaking the rule by retail is verboten, but breaking it wholesale is OK?
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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2016, 02:43:08 pm »
Re:  the title.  #NeverTrump may have died in the rules committee, but it's far from dead in the real world.  I have Democrat relatives who truly despise Hillary and would have voted for Jeb or Rubio or Kasich - some were even reading up on Cruz.  They are terrified of Trump.  So now they'll either vote for Hillary or not vote at all.

It's not just those who normally vote Republican that are #NeverTrump.
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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2016, 04:05:55 pm »
So breaking the rule by retail is verboten, but breaking it wholesale is OK?

Yes, you can refer to Herr Drumpf's supporters in general.

Of course, they will complain to management, but with no standing.

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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2016, 02:42:17 am »
It didn't die with a whimper.  It was murdered by a thug.

 :amen:

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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2016, 04:00:05 am »
Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee

As if any of us or those opposed are suddenly going to just vote for Trump in November because the effort to derail his nomination did not succeed within the Party??

Methinks the tales of the death of NeverTrump are greatly exaggerated.

It's going to be fun to watch the exploding heads on November 9th, and the vitriol that is going to come watching these people go berserk to blame us for Trump's massive "loss".

And if some miracle happens whereby Her Thighness is not given the throne, we will get to watch Trump take dictatorship to a whole new and frightening level as it all comes down on his watch.
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Re: ‘Never Trump’ Dies With a Whimper in Rules Committee
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2016, 04:33:38 am »
Some people forget that the reason for neverTrump, even with Pence, is because of conservatism. The GOP has sunk to new lows, or should I say new leftists.  The God Owful Party is dead as a conservative national party.
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