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People should have thought of that before they voted for the jackass.
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People should have thought of that before they voted for the jackass.

Voters rarely think for themselves.  They do what papa media tells them to do.  This election doesn't differ from earlier elections that way.  It's why we've been delivered nothing but s*** sandwiches every election I can remember, with the exception of Reagan.  The media hated his guts and he won anyway. 

I don't mind the idiots voting that much, except for the way they always drag the rest of us down with them.
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It takes more courage to stand on principles and to say NO WE WON'T. 

As did a group of University of Munich students did in 1942 - known as The White Rose.   They Paid All - being condemned to death for saying No to a regime the did not agree with, even though they knew it would lead to a firing squad or Nazi guillotine.

We here who stand on principles at the very worse will be put on ignore by the Trumpsters. 
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There is no good reason to support Trump or Clinton. Both support ideas contrary to the Constitution.
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It takes more courage to stand on principles and to say NO WE WON'T. 

As did a group of University of Munich students did in 1942 - known as The White Rose.   They Paid All - being condemned to death for saying No to a regime the did not agree with, even though they knew it would lead to a firing squad or Nazi guillotine.

We here who stand on principles at the very worse will be put on ignore by the Trumpsters.
Not ignore. Anything but ignore! 888ohnoes :terror:
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I'm going to rebut Brown here point by point:

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it’s clear these folks (who stand on soap boxes of personal integrity) are putting self before country.

A gross absurdity. We're putting our principles, faith in God for the rectitude of our actions and the Constitution ahead of "country" for once which has become nothing more than "support the party" and 'oppose the greater evil with our own evil'.

In all Statist regimes, everything must be subservient to the state, including one's faith in God and principles, which people like Brown are insisting we surrender for the 'greater good'.  This is what happens in all burgeoning tyrannies when they get started in earnest.

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The threat of Islam, terror, and open borders drives home the fact that without national security, all else is moot.  And on this front alone, Donald Trump’s views are dramatically different from Hillary Clinton’s

No they are not.  His views based on his past fruits and support of the Clinton's are the same as hers.  Trump's *suggestions* change as often as the wind.  His so-called Muslim ban - GONE.  His promise of building a wall and making Mexico pay for it - even his staunch Militants here have told us they do not believe Trump will make good on that.  Trump is no different than Hillary given his wavering unclear positions.

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As if casting a vote that helps ensure that a criminal, socialist Islamist sympathizer gets to plop herself down in the Oval Office in order to continue the destructive and downright evil work of the past eight years is an act brimming with integrity.

Clearly this stooge for Trump has no clue what time we have arrived at.  More than half the population WANT a Marxist Communist Totalitarian society.  Half of the so-called opposition party are perfectly happy with a dictatorship, as long as it is their dictator.  Americans with real integrity will not be party to supporting either candidate, but rather supporting one whose fealty to the Constitution is a provable fruit of character and action.  Trump 's stated policies indicate he will rule with a pen and a phone, and indeed his vast army of militants WANT him to act as Mussolini.

We will have no part of supporting that.

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And if they are, then the reality is that it will be Clinton or Trump.  Choose one.  “Conscientious objector” is an adolescent cop-out. 

Sez you?  What do you plan to do about it?  Insult us into betraying our own principles?   I choose neither moron running for the throne.  You can keep trying to put that silly gun to our heads and threaten to pull the trigger for treason - but that just makes you every bit the enemy of liberty and the Constitution that Hildabeast and Obama are, if not moreso.

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Our nation is at war

No, wrong.  Our nation has been overthrown from within with vast amounts of help from your party and from Trump himself, who not only financed the Clintons, but who less than 3 years ago, supported, funded, campaigned and endorsed known Communist Bill DeBlasio for NYC mayor. 

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(albeit a one-sided one we refuse to fight).


Your party has made that its primary practice, which is why I renounced my registration in your party and will never vote for anyone but a vetted and provable staunch Conservative ever again.

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All adults are needed on deck.

Your party threw all the Conservative adults out.  Your leaders threatened to punch us in the nose and then your prince presumptive told us he did not need nor want us to support him in order to win.

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It is unreasonable to let that anger turn into a petulance that would let the left rule the nation for another eight years.

It's inevitable that the Left will rule.  Your party made that a permanent reality over the last 8 years and each election cycle they continue to foist greater leftists upon us as candidates until today there is no discernable difference in fruits between the Democrats or Republicans.  The GOP Establishment want liberals, and apparently a large chunk of your party wants a NYC liberal for their prince, simply because he is a thin-skinned vulgar man who took on the media in the beginning, but since has become the Leftie he truly is.

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So to those holier-than-thou conservatives who refuse to vote for Donald Trump because their personal integrity will not allow them to do so, I say: if you want more jihad, don’t vote for Trump, and help Hillary win.  If you want to be sure our borders remain open, don’t vote for Trump, and help Hillary win.  And if you want the next president to be someone who got Americans killed and then lied about it, don’t vote for Trump, and help Hillary win.  And when Hillary Clinton is sworn in as the next president, you can pat yourself on the back, know you did the right thing, and raise a glass to your integrity, which will have served your ego but not the nation.

You really need to pander to more Bernie supporters for your prince, because crap like that just solidifies principled Conservative resolve from simply voting our conscience to outright activism against your political savior.  Hillary will win because Trump is a horrifying candidate who would lose in a landslide if November had any legitimacy, and because more will choose the Mao Pantsuit on the ballot than will choose a vulgar NYC liberal.  The election is already lost.  That much is a certainty.

Your party has given us no option except another crass and disgusting Leftist for the office.  All you have as a campaign is attempts to frighten and intimidate the base Trump already discarded and said he did not need or want the support of.   You can try all the day long to hang a Hillary coronation on our heads - but the truth will be that we will have no hand whatsoever in supporting either abomination running for the throne.  We will have served our principles, our God and our fealty to the Constitution by refusing to cast a ballot for either, and we will sleep well knowing that we did not fall for the trap of trading our principles for expedience as we did in the last four election cycles.

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Whatever rude, obnoxious, manipulative behavior Trump engaged in is in the past. 

Wrong. It's everyday.  And we know what he did to every Conservative running in the race; the personal and the viciousness assaults on character and families that we are never going to forget.  That is who Trump is, and we are not risking lending a hand to put such a man in power.  Assuredly he will more easily turn that vulgar unhinged rage against anyone who dares oppose him as we have already witnessed so far - and such is the making of a despot far more dangerous than even Hildabeast will be in that office.

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Voting for him doesn’t mean you condone such behavior,

Yes it does.

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you support everything he has expressed,

Yes it does.

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you trust him implicitly, or that you even like the guy. 

Yes it does.  It means you trust him implicitly enough hand him the duties of office and uphold the Constitution of which Trump has already demonstrated his complete illiteracy of and having no regard for, excepting his own views of it.

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It means you understand what’s at stake and have the maturity to move beyond your own ego in order to be a true patriot.

A true patriot is not one who thinks casting ballot for a NYC liberal is saving the country.   A true patriot is standing up for the foundational principles that made us who we are without wavering or compromise.  What is at stake is preventing an unstable, vulgar, Constitutionally illiterate, self-absorbed power mad billionaire the most powerful office in the world.  That is what is at stake.  Some of us understand and believe what Hamilton said about where we find ourselves:

“If we must have an enemy at the head of government let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible.” - Alexander Hamilton

I choose not be responsible for the enemy at the head of this government, such as it is.

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We either have a shot at a future or we don’t.

Yawn.  Same crap we heard from McCainiacs and Romneybots.  If you think a ballot determines the future, you have no business calling yourself a patriot because yo have no understanding of liberty or how we even obtained it in the first place.

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Trump gives America a chance to survive.


No.  Trump is the final nail in the coffin of Conservatism and our foundational principles. He and his are already busy redefining what those things are as they resculpt them into the image of Trump.

And I will not be party to that in any way , shape or form.
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Not to mention the appointment of federal judges (see the story in the News category about today's SCOTUS ruling on abortion).

 I will agree that a Clinton presidency will swing the courts (all of them that are federally appointed) vastly left wing.

#NeverHillary.

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I will agree that a Clinton presidency will swing the courts (all of them that are federally appointed) vastly left wing.

#NeverHillary.

Already being done under Obama.

Not to mention that appointments from Reagan and Bush have also gone full-tilt Left. 

We have no representation in Washington anymore and until this people wake up to the fact of where we have arrived, I guess this people will indeed walk themselves onto boxcars for death camps should some agency or judge order it so.

You cannot vote out tyranny, or stop tyrants via civil means.
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Good rebuttal Invar. You should turn that into an article.

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Already being done under Obama.

Not to mention that appointments from Reagan and Bush have also gone full-tilt Left. 

We have no representation in Washington anymore and until this people wake up to the fact of where we have arrived, I guess this people will indeed walk themselves onto boxcars for death camps should some agency or judge order it so.

You cannot vote out tyranny, or stop tyrants via civil means.

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Good rebuttal Invar. You should turn that into an article.

You mean put that on my blog site?  Not sure I follow your suggestion.
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You mean put that on my blog site?  Not sure I follow your suggestion.

Write it here. We encourage 'vanity' posts by members.  We do a lot to promote exclusive articles by our members and highlight your writing.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/board,87.0.html

Our twitter is followed by some media and political heavy hitters so it would have some important eyes on it.

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Oh, okay.  Thx.
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Already being done under Obama.

Not to mention that appointments from Reagan and Bush have also gone full-tilt Left. 

We have no representation in Washington anymore and until this people wake up to the fact of where we have arrived, I guess this people will indeed walk themselves onto boxcars for death camps should some agency or judge order it so.

You cannot vote out tyranny, or stop tyrants via civil means.

Haven't told you this before, but I really appreciate your posts.  The ones on this thread are the best yet.

Proud, with you, to be #NeverTrump.
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Already being done under Obama.

Not to mention that appointments from Reagan and Bush have also gone full-tilt Left. 

We have no representation in Washington anymore and until this people wake up to the fact of where we have arrived, I guess this people will indeed walk themselves onto boxcars for death camps should some agency or judge order it so.

You cannot vote out tyranny, or stop tyrants via civil means.

Frankly, I can't see why we are getting worked up in June. While it seems likely today, there is no guarantee that   Trump or Hillary will be the nominee in November.
We are all playing "what if" until then.

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Um? No.

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There is NO compelling reason for me to support Trump. None.

Trump is the best thing that could have happened for Hillary Clinton.  Any other Republican would have beat her.   Instead, our party picked the profoundly ignorant orange roué.  People seemed to think a rank amateur was the right answer.  We wouldn't do it in sports, but somehow it was supposed to work in the Presidency.  Strange logic.

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Trump is the best thing that could have happened for Hillary Clinton.  Any other Republican would have beat her.   Instead, our party picked the profoundly ignorant orange roué.  People seemed to think a rank amateur was the right answer.  We wouldn't do it in sports, but somehow it was supposed to work in the Presidency.  Strange logic.

A year ago everyone thought a ham sandwich could beat her. Yet, Bill & Hillary managed to find and recruit a candidate that would make her inevitable again.



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Trump's message is the antithesis of the very foundational notion of America.

That is why he must be stopped.

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He doesn't even like the first amendment...

“We’re losing a lot of people because of the Internet. We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what’s happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that Internet up in some way. Somebody will say, ‘Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.’ These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people.”


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Donald Trump is an enemy of the Constitution of the United States of America.
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Donald Trump is an enemy of the Constitution of the United States of America.

Yes he is and I get tired of people saying I should vote for him.  Nothing in this article is true or relevant.  Based solely on the lies that Trump has been spouting to get votes.
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Yes he is and I get tired of people saying I should vote for him.  Nothing in this article is true or relevant.  Based solely on the lies that Trump has been spouting to get votes.

I find rather interesting the Trump backers, having foisted this thoroughly detestable and unelectable candidate onto the rest of us, are demanding it's on us to help them clean that mess up.  I have yet to believe Trump will stand by any of his stated stances.  Though I sure as hell won't ever vote for Her Infernal Malevolence, I'm waiting for Trump to prove he's worthy of the job of President before he gets my vote.  He's not there yet.
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