A Republican delegate revolt becomes more likely

[Mechanicos]

Then they'll be Hillary supporters as well.  No /s.

[holds up a mirror] This is how many are seeing the people trying to install a Rino at the convention now.

[ScottinVA]

Yet, though Mr. Trump has amassed 1500+ delegates during the State primary process, you continue to "bash" (to use your words) Donald Trump and his supporters. What does that make you?

Smart voters.... that's what.  What does supporting an unelectable neophyte make you?

[aligncare]

The last novice we put in power was a roaring success. 8 years of constitutional governance. That Obama guy was AWESOME!!!!

Not.

Trump has not won the nomination fair, unfair or otherwise. You are giving a win that has not yet occurred. There is no logical reason to do that. So you are just spreading a lie.

"Presumptive nominee" is not some novel concept here. In normal elections--absent epidemic Trump Derangement Syndrome--the party traditionally rallies round the obvious winning candidate sometimes as early as April or May.

Donald Trump is the presumptive nominee no matter how much neverTrump bellyaches or fantasizes about a Cruz convention coup.

[thatcher]

We seized the moment before and were richly rewarded.   Given what's at stake, the delegates will do it again.

Video at link.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/24/politics/delegates-unbound-first-television-ad-donald-trump/index.html

[RoosGirl]

[holds up a mirror] This is how many are seeing the people trying to install a Rino at the convention now.

Can we not agree that none of us are Hillary supporters?  It's a statement that gets us nowhere.

[Mechanicos]

It should be noted as WAC said that its not #nevertrump running the anti-Trump operation at the convention anymore. IMHO this is so since there are too few remaining but rather its the GOP Establishment types running the show . Consequently, the only ones who would be selected to replace Trump with such an operation would not be conservatives like Cruz but rather would be an Establishment type person such as Ryan or Bush etc. The mood of America that propelled Trump to the win so far is decidedly anti-Establishment. Thus, such activity would assuredly cause not only a loss of the presidency in the general but risks a loss down ticket because of the anger and disgust with the GOP party for doing so.

Imagine if you will if just a fourth of Trump supporters were so angry and disgusted at the GOP and the selected candidate for "stealing" the nomination they revolt against the party....

[Formerly Once-Ler]

By all measures Trump has won the nomination, Majority of votes majority of delegates and winning by the rules the Primary was run under. There is no way any RINO the #neverTrump people select can win. And they risk losing down ticket since most of the Trump supporters will not support the GOP after such a stupid betrayal.

Others pointing out where your facts are wrong has never kept you from repeating those errors, but...
acording to gateway pundit Trump got 44% of the primary vote which is a plurality, not a majority.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/trump-trumps-wins-historic-race-record-fashion/


A majority of GOP voters rejected Trump.

[Mechanicos]

Can we not agree that none of us are Hillary supporters?  It's a statement that gets us nowhere.

Problem is there is no other probable result if the anti-Trumps are successful at replacing Trump at the convention.

I am open to an anti-Trump demonstrating a probable alternative result with facts. 

[RoosGirl]

Problem is there is no other probable result if the anti-Trumps are successful at replacing Trump at the convention.

I am open to an anti-Trump demonstrating a probable alternative result with facts.

And there is no other probable result if the anti-Trumps are not successful at replacing Trump at the convention.

So here we are, each of us a "Hillary supporter".  Which we both know we are not.

[Mechanicos]

Others pointing out where your facts are wrong has never kept you from repeating those errors, but...
acording to gateway pundit Trump got 44% of the primary vote which is a plurality, not a majority.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/trump-trumps-wins-historic-race-record-fashion/


A majority of GOP voters rejected Trump.

FACT an even much larger majority rejected everybody else. So everyone else is worse off under this bogus argument. Plus its a logical fallacy to say all who voted for somebody else were opposed to Trump.

Oh and 44 percent out of SEVENTEEN candidates running with over half a billion in funds against him is outstanding. Your argument holds no water outside a 2 person race.

[Mechanicos]

And there is no other probable result if the anti-Trumps are not successful at replacing Trump at the convention.

So here we are, each of us a "Hillary supporter".  Which we both know we are not.

The best predictor of future performance is past performance.

Trump supporters with him from the beginning have predicted he would win the Primary by large numbers. So our prediction performance is 100 percent accurate. We say Trump will win in a landslide in November against Hillary. Odds are in our favor.

Anti-Trumps have a past performance of zero accuracy on their predictions. So their prediction he will lose has no odds in its favor.

Rational argument there.

[Victoria33]

We seized the moment before and were richly rewarded.   Given what's at stake, the delegates will do it again.
Video at link.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/24/politics/delegates-unbound-first-television-ad-donald-trump/index.html

Everyone should watch that video to avail themselves of the ongoing effort to unbind the delegates on the first ballot.

It is important to know WHO is on the Rules Committee that will determine the rules of the convention as they are the ones who would unbind the delegates.  Perhaps some do not remember this: 

When Trump was sitting in Trump Tower rather than going after actual delegates as they were being chosen in state conventions, Cruz and his people were at every state convention to encourage their delegates to be chosen for the National Convention.   Cruz and his people were not only choosing individual delegates, they were pushing their chosen delegates to be on the RULES COMMITTEE.  It is highly likely, the majority of delegates on the Rules Committee are Cruz delegates and he has not released his delegates.  These Cruz delegates are true to Cruz, especially as Trump shows his ignorance of government and makes enemies with his mouth attacking anyone who has a thought other than his.

I pray these delegates will consider the country and unbind delegates.
@Norm Lenhart
@mystery-ak
@CatherineofAragon
@Bigun
@RoosGirl

[Formerly Once-Ler]

FACT an even much larger majority rejected everybody else. So everyone else is worse off under this bogus argument. Plus its a logical fallacy to say all who voted for somebody else were opposed to Trump.

Oh and 44 percent out of SEVENTEEN candidates running with over half a billion in funds against him is outstanding. Your argument holds no water outside a 2 person race.

Blah blah blah.  You said Trump got a majority of votes.  My argument is he did not.  You fail.

[Suppressed]

The best predictor of future performance is past performance.

Exactly why all good men (and women) should fight strenuously to keep Trump out of the White House.

[RoosGirl]

The best predictor of future performance is past performance.

Quite right.  Can we finally discuss Trump's performance with respect to any conservative and/or republican causes?

Trump supporters with him from the beginning have predicted he would win the Primary by large numbers. So our prediction performance is 100 percent accurate. We say Trump will win in a landslide in November against Hillary. Odds are in our favor.

Anti-Trumps have a past performance of zero accuracy on their predictions. So their prediction he will lose has no odds in its favor.

Rational argument there.

If we're only playing odds, like the flip of a coin, a win or a non-win, then you are not correct.  Odds of repeatedly landing on heads diminish with each flip. 

[R4 TrumPence]

Never Trump movement gets little help from convention rules panel roster

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,213386.msg941506.html#new

[Mechanicos]

Exactly why all good men (and women) should fight strenuously to keep Trump out of the White House.

The Problem with most of #nevertrump's arguments on Trump is they are election year fictions not actual facts.

[thatcher]

Never Trump movement gets little help from convention rules panel roster

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,213386.msg941506.html#new

I'm with the little guy.

[RetBobbyMI]

This is how many are seeing the people trying to install a Rino at the convention now.

That could be almost any one of them.  Probably 90% of the GOP is a RINO because the GOP has no identity other than that big friggin' elephant.

[RoosGirl]

The Problem with most of #nevertrump's arguments on Trump is they are election year fictions not actual facts.

Most of the people that I have seen comments from that do not support Trump appear to be pretty level headed and have a firm grasp of fact vs. fiction and fact vs. opinion.  If it were the case that nevertrump arguments were based on "election year fictions" then it would have been pretty easy to prove them wrong.  I have not seen that happen.  Not that I should necessarily be included with that level headed group, but answering my simple question of asking for proof of Trump supporting on a longer term basis any conservative and/or republican issue has not been accomplished.

[Norm Lenhart]

The best predictor of future performance is past performance.

Trump supporters with him from the beginning have predicted he would win the Primary by large numbers. So our prediction performance is 100 percent accurate. We say Trump will win in a landslide in November against Hillary. Odds are in our favor.

Anti-Trumps have a past performance of zero accuracy on their predictions. So their prediction he will lose has no odds in its favor.

Rational argument there.

Indeed. His performance throughout his past is highly liberal. thus there is, by your own estimation, every rational reason to believe his future performance will be as liberal. Perhaps even more since he has taken to lying about actual conservatives like Ted Cruz and trashing opponents of islam like Pamela Gellar. And opponents of Gay Marriage. I seem to remember how casually he cast aside 5,000 years of civilization to mouth off about one woman who stood on principle, refusing to sign off on the BS 'marriage' of two homosexuals. As she sat in jail.

Facts. Gotta love'em.

Well, not if you are a Trump fanatic.

[Norm Lenhart]

"Presumptive nominee" is not some novel concept here. In normal elections--absent epidemic Trump Derangement Syndrome--the party traditionally rallies round the obvious winning candidate sometimes as early as April or May.

Donald Trump is the presumptive nominee no matter how much neverTrump bellyaches or fantasizes about a Cruz convention coup.

'Presume' till the cows come home. Trump is not the nominee. Fact. The convention has not been held. Fact. The rules have not been set. Fact.

Do you deny any of that? Yes or no please. Not some excuse and BullsXit laden tirade.

[Mechanicos]

Indeed. His performance throughout his past is highly liberal. thus there is, by your own estimation, every rational reason to believe his future performance will be as liberal. Perhaps even more since he has taken to lying about actual conservatives like Ted Cruz and trashing opponents of islam like Pamela Gellar. And opponents of Gay Marriage. I seem to remember how casually he cast aside 5,000 years of civilization to mouth off about one woman who stood on principle, refusing to sign off on the BS 'marriage' of two homosexuals. As she sat in jail.

Facts. Gotta love'em.

Well, not if you are a Trump fanatic.

Like I said election year fictions by opponents:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/252753-trump-on-ky-clerk-i-hate-to-see-her-put-in-jail

What was omitted in the post above, oh yeah not that he agreed with the law but he was sad she went to jail. His entire position was on obeying the law not about supporting the gay agenda.

[EasyAce]

Violate the obvious will of the GOP primary voters and there will be a GOP voter revolt.  Trump won fair and square.

I've mentioned it before but I'll mention it again: Thanks to the phalanx of open primaries, we don't
really know how many actual Republicans voted for Donaldus Minimus in the primaries, pending
any final revelation of the actual numbers. We don't really know for dead last certain how much
actual Republican support he really has. (If there was ever good cause to oppose and try to upend
the open primary system---why the hell should anyone but Republicans be picking a Republican
candidate, or Democrats picking a Democratic candidate, and so on down the lines?)

Change the rules and the GOP will resemble Venezuela.   Changing rules is the game of losers and cheaters and tyrants.

Not a Single Republican Delegate is "Bound" to Donald Trump

[HonestJohn]

Washington Compost is not a Conservative's friend. So why is #neverTrump allowing Democrats to lead them around like this?

Bottom line the establishment will not be allowed to steal the nomination from Trump. And make no mistake this is not conservatives trying it, its Globalist Establishment types doing this.

Only the news pre-approved by your Dear Leader is fit to be read.  Anything else is poisonous propaganda.  Anyone caught reading it will be sent for 're-education'.

...

Get thee to North Korea.  You already parrot their governmental line.